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McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Stultus Maximus posted:

the world's most unpopular woman

Yoko Ono wasn't running for anything

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Meshka
Nov 27, 2016

Stultus Maximus posted:

Yeah, I'm pretty much out of patience for anything and especially idiot internet leftists who think that the guy who couldn't beat a senile old man and the world's most unpopular woman is the only flaw-free politician in America who can defeat Trump through the power of the socialist youth vote.

I think that Bernie just came too early. The public sentiment is shifting and it just sucks that many European nation's figured out the balance between capitalism and a strong social safety net 50 years before us.

Why should young people vote for Biden over Trump? So loving DNC careerists can get back after four years? Almost every single country, minus SK and Taiwan failed in response. This is not Trump's fault.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Stultus Maximus posted:

Yeah, I'm pretty much out of patience for anything and especially idiot internet leftists who think that the guy who couldn't beat a senile old man and the world's most unpopular woman is the only flaw-free politician in America who can defeat Trump through the power of the socialist youth vote.

Literally nobody has said that Bernie is flawless. You're not going to convince people that Joe Biden doesn't suck by saying that Bernie sucks in some ways too.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Meshka posted:

Biden is not doing any of that. He is an old man who should be enjoying retirement and his dnc campaign staff is thinking of ways to extract as much money as possible before it all goes to poo poo.

"Biden Plans Shadow Coronavirus Briefings posted:

Joe Biden is planning a regular shadow briefing on coronavirus to start as early as Monday to show how he would handle the crisis and address what he calls the lies and failures of President Trump.

Biden gave a preview of what’s to come in a conference call with reporters Friday, where he listed a litany of false and misleading statements from Trump, who has been holding regular White House press conferences concerning coronavirus preparedness and response that have been broadcast live on all major networks.

“President Trump stop saying false things, will ya?” Biden said. “People are worried they are really frightened, when these things don't come through. He just exacerbates their concern. Stop saying false things you think make you sound like a hero and start putting the full weight of the federal government behind finding fast, safe and effective treatments.”

Biden made his comments from his home in Wilmington, Delaware, where he has been holed up for more than a week in adherence with Centers for Disease Control guidelines that urge people to practice social distancing.

Immediately after the initial onset of the crisis, Biden also held his fire against the president out of concern it would look too political — an accusation leveled at him anyway by Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, who said that “Biden will take attention from real updates Americans should know just to score political points.”

Ever since his commanding victories Tuesday against Bernie Sanders in Florida, Illinois and Arizona, Biden has made no public appearances or statements. Instead, he said, he has been spending time privately talking to health officials, businesses, governors and members of Congress.

Now, he said, his house is being outfitted with equipment that would enable him to livestream events, have interactive tele-press conferences and broadcast interviews with network television.

“I would like to get in the position and we're trying to work out so that the headquarters ... to be able to accommodate my directly answering questions in front of a press that's assigned to me,” he said. “We've hired a professional team to do that now. And excuse the expression that's a little above my pay grade to know how to do that.”

Most of Biden’s time was spent lighting up Trump.

Biden pointed out that the president said the U.S. is “very close” to making a coronavirus vaccine, but that could be a year away (and Trump confused the coronavirus with Ebola). Biden noted that Trump said two Navy ships are in “tip top shape” and on the way to help, but the Navy said one is in maintenance and the other lacks a medical crew and is being “spruced up,” according to NBC News. The 500 million respirator masks that Trump said the government ordered, Biden noted, could take 18 months to arrive. And he faulted Trump for doing too little to support state and local governments.

Biden also twice pointed out that Trump on March 6 said anybody who wants a coronavirus test can get it. But there aren’t enough tests.

“I’m sorry to say, that was simply a lie. And it’s still not true today,” Biden said. “The United States has been far behind the rest of the advanced world when it comes to testing.”

"Live broadcasts, online fundraising, one-on-one calls: How the Biden campaign is adjusting its tactics amid the coronavirus posted:

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (CNN)Campaign staffers are hunkered down at home instead of working from their headquarters or in primary states. Traditional fundraisers, campaign rallies and speeches are replaced with virtual events that have faced technological snafus.

And a candidate with reason to celebrate after a series of wins pushed him closer to securing the Democratic presidential nomination has been sidelined not only from the campaign trail, but also the news cycle.

Just as people across the country are grappling with a new way of life amid the coronavirus pandemic, Joe Biden is also facing the uncertainty arising from the global health crisis with his team forced to adjust to a new reality of campaigning.

From his home in Wilmington, Delaware, Biden told reporters on a call Friday that his campaign had hired a professional team to set up the ability to broadcast live on television networks from there -- potentially with the small group of reporters that travels with his campaign present. He said he aims to be up and running by Monday, holding regular briefings on the response to the coronavirus pandemic and answering questions from reporters.

"Hopefully by Monday, we're going to be in a very different place in terms of being able to be in communication with all of you," Biden said. "I promise you're going to be hearing more of me than you want, probably."

It's part of a slew of changes Biden's campaign is making as it attempts to close out a primary race against Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and transition to a general election showdown with President Donald Trump in the midst of unprecedented circumstances.

For Biden personally, the pandemic has forced a drastic change in focus.

"I find myself literally on the phone with my key advisers, medical advisers and economic advisers literally four, five hours a day, going through detailed memoranda on what we should be doing," Biden said Friday.

"My whole focus has basically been how we deal with this crisis, and quite frankly, thus far it's been less about how we campaign or make stark differences between the President and I," he said. "I think some are just self-evident."

Shifting to digital

For his campaign -- which was in the process of building out his senior staff for the general election before it had to order everyone in his Philadelphia headquarters and in regional field offices to work from home -- the changes are tactical.

Aides say one major focus for Biden's team in the coming weeks is beefing up its digital footprint, including organizing, fundraising, advertising and video production, as the campaign prepares to turn to an online format to relay its message and draw in voters.

Biden's campaign is looking for ways to leverage the former vice president's skills as a one-on-one retail politician in an environment in which he's not able to meet people or shake hands.

He's already done virtual events -- an online town hall on video that was derailed by tech challenges and a telephone town hall with several participants able to ask Biden questions. But his campaign is looking for more individualized ways for Biden to connect with voters, supporters and donors.

In a fundraising email Friday, his campaign told small-dollar donors that Biden would FaceTime some of the people who contributed -- a tactic a former rival, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, often used that sparked social media attention.

The campaign is also considering virtual ropelines, where people could wait in front of their phones or laptops to interact one-on-one with Biden on video, said Rob Flaherty, Biden's digital director.

"We're really focused on, 'OK, how does somebody actually have an opportunity to interact with the vice president?'" Flaherty said. "We're going to be playing with a bunch of different formats to see what sticks in the space of making sure the VP gets those interactions."

More broadly, Flaherty said, Biden's campaign is looking for new ways to build a sense of community among Biden's supporters -- with each other and with his campaign. It's the kind of digital work that he would have needed regardless to take place as Biden shifts his focus to Trump and builds for the general election -- but now needs to happen on an accelerated timeline.

The campaign's view of the role the former vice president can play is informed in part by the audience a 3-minute, 21-second video of him explaining the Iran crisis in early January had drawn. The off-the-cuff riff is Biden's fifth-most watched video on Facebook -- and Flaherty said it showed people looked to Biden as an expert who could explain what was happening in Washington and why it mattered.

Now, Biden aides are considering podcasts and long-form videos among possible ways to reach people who are now at home and online.

"People are like, 'OK, all this stuff's going on in Washington,' and they view the VP as this kind of voice of reason -- calm and understanding," Flaherty said. "There's a political benefit to that, which is why people want him to be president right now. But at the same time, that's a service. The country is looking for somebody like that."

The team is also looking to expand its already existing digital organizing program, aides say, to equip supporters and volunteers with tools to conduct phone banking and send text messages from their homes as traditional field organizing has ground to a halt.

The campaign is holding off on airing new television advertisements, instead focusing on digital ads until the primary calendar is more settled, as many states have put off their contests due to concerns over the coronavirus.

An ad Biden's campaign began airing on Facebook and Instagram this week, targeting voters in Wisconsin, could be a model for future ads. The minute-long video features Biden delivering an uplifting message focused on responding to the coronavirus crisis in his closing statement from Sunday night's Democratic debate on CNN, and weaves in stories from local news reports of Americans helping each other.

Future of fundraising
After seeing an uptick in its online contributions earlier this month, Biden has continued his requests for money from small dollar online donors, though aides acknowledge the requests are coming at a time of economic uncertainty for many in this country. The campaign has committed to holding virtual fundraisers in lieu of its in-person money events, with its first on Friday.

The Biden campaign has changed its fundraising policy to begin collecting money for the general election, two sources said. But there could be challenges to bringing in the high dollar campaign contributions on which his campaign has relied for most of this primary cycle. One Biden bundler said he put his typical fundraising emails to his donor network on hold as the financial impact of coronavirus is top of mind for many Americans.

Another bundler expressed concern about whether the limitations in place due to coronavirus could affect fundraising in the long term as the campaign begins to pivot to the general election. If Biden secures the Democratic nomination, he would be able to raise money through joint committees with the Democratic National Committee, a type of fundraising that includes in person events that can draw large checks from donors.

"The DNC certainly has been reasonably successful, but once you have the nominee your fundraising should increase ten or twenty fold, and they kind of wait for that to happen," the bundler said.

A strategist connected to the pro-Joe Biden super PAC Unite the Country says it received a $25,000 check Thursday and a $100,000 check Wednesday -- and that so far, the super PAC hasn't seen any donors back away from commitments amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The source said Democrats connected to the super PAC had all planned to travel to meet donors this week, and that "that obviously didn't happen."

"We're adapting the same way everyone else is, and I'm not at the point yet where I fear that money is not coming in or donors are not answering our calls," the source said.

On Friday, former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg transferred $18 million from his defunct presidential campaign to the Democratic National Committee's organizing efforts, a move the Biden campaign applauded.

"We need to compete with the war chest that Donald Trump, the RNC, and their right-wing allies have amassed, and this will go a long way in ensuring that we can fund the grassroots efforts in key battleground states that will be necessary to win this November," said Kate Bedingfield, deputy campaign manager and communications director for Joe Biden.

Getting ready for the general

The former vice president has yet to secure the nomination as Sanders remains in the race and assesses the state of his campaign. Biden's team has not directly called for Sanders to drop his presidential bid, with aides publicly saying it's a decision for the Vermont senator to make. But they've clearly outlined their case that Sanders' path to the nomination is virtually non-existent at this point.

"Biden's delegate pathway to the Democratic nomination is increasingly clear," Bedingfield wrote in a campaign memo after Biden's sweep in this week's primary contests. "In order to close the delegate deficit he faces, Senator Sanders would need to win every remaining contest by roughly 40 points."

With the nomination within reach, Biden's campaign will need to build a general election strategy, including bulking up its staff, setting up infrastructures in battleground states, and structuring its messaging, in unprecedented times as it prepares to face off against Trump.

The campaign is also planning for a "vigorous vetting process" for selecting Biden's running mate after he committed to adding a woman to the Democratic ticket, a campaign aide said. The campaign has declined to detail what this process will look like or when it will formally begin, but the former vice president and some close to him are keenly aware of what the process entails, having undergone it themselves when Biden joined the Democratic ticket in 2008.

Much of the campaign's messaging recently has focused on coronavirus, an issue that is top of mind for millions across the country at this time. Biden and his campaign have responded in real-time to President Trump's handling of the crisis, detailed its own plans for responding to the pandemic, and assembled a team of public health experts to advise the former vice president. The crisis has given the former vice president a chance to reinforce his message he could step into the Oval Office on day one ready to lead.

Delaware Sen. Chris Coons pointed to Biden's compassion and empathy and his longtime experience in government, including work implementing the Obama administration's Recovery Act, as emblematic of a leader equipped to handle a crisis like the coronavirus.

"Who Joe is and what his lifetime of public service has been about meets this moment," Coons said. "Joe understands how to connect with and care for and fight for people who are being hurt. We are about to go through a really tough period where lots of people are nervous and anxious, and they want to see a federal response that is compassionate, effective and well led."

"Having a crisis like this will focus the attention of the American people on who has the experience to lead us through challenges and who has the values that we want to see," he added.

gently caress ooooffffffffff

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Meshka posted:

Biden is not doing any of that. He is an old man who should be enjoying retirement and his dnc campaign staff is thinking of ways to extract as much money as possible before it all goes to poo poo.

Go back to C-SPAM.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


i've been saying for months biden should drop out and stay home with his family so it would be hugely hypocritical of me to razz him for finally doing it

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Fister Roboto posted:

Literally nobody has said that Bernie is flawless. You're not going to convince people that Joe Biden doesn't suck by saying that Bernie sucks in some ways too.

I'm not trying to convince people that Biden doesn't suck. I'd just like people to stop going nuts every time Biden does something. "Biden didn't do enough press conferences last week! Trump will destroy him! Bernie would have won!" And yes, that comes with the unspoken assumption that Bernie doesn't have any flaws that Trump can exploit.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
post dogs

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Corn Pop 2020

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Stultus Maximus posted:

I'm not trying to convince people that Biden doesn't suck. I'd just like people to stop going nuts every time Biden does something. "Biden didn't do enough press conferences last week! Trump will destroy him! Bernie would have won!" And yes, that comes with the unspoken assumption that Bernie doesn't have any flaws that Trump can exploit.

Well you better get used to it because it's going to be a long 7 months otherwise and Biden is an extremely lovely candidate.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Fister Roboto posted:

Well you better get used to it because it's going to be a long 7 months otherwise and Biden is an extremely lovely candidate.

Biden being an extremely lovely candidate does not exclude Bernie from also being an extremely lovely candidate. Try to admit that.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

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ded posted:

post dogs

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Stultus Maximus posted:

Biden being an extremely lovely candidate does not exclude Bernie from also being an extremely lovely candidate. Try to admit that.

lmao if this is your rationalization :allears:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Fister Roboto posted:

lmao if this is your rationalization :allears:

Bernie couldn't defeat lovely candidate Biden.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Fister Roboto posted:

lmao if this is your rationalization :allears:

Rationalization for what, dismissing the fantasies of Bernie bros? Yeah, it is.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Really looking forward to every single criticism of Biden being deflected like this.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Biden is a candidate with a number of flaws but he's not "lovely," and neither was Bernie. Both had substantial strengths and weaknesses with voters of every demographic, and it is (imo) impossible to say who would have done better in the general election. shouting "no, your preferred candidate is garbage!" is not going to convince anyone of anything

Meshka
Nov 27, 2016

Stultus Maximus posted:

Biden being an extremely lovely candidate does not exclude Bernie from also being an extremely lovely candidate. Try to admit that.

Bernie is a good person who is not a good candidate for the current electorate. Biden is a good candidate for the poo poo brained idiots who think that he will bring "decorum" back to the country. A lot of people care more about results than some imaginary view of the nation we have for ourselves.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

ded posted:

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My Bud!

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Acebuckeye13 posted:

Biden is a candidate with a number of flaws but he's not "lovely," and neither was Bernie. Both had substantial strengths and weaknesses with voters of every demographic, and it is (imo) impossible to say who would have done better in the general election. shouting "no, your preferred candidate is garbage!" is not going to convince anyone of anything

https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1203684215772123139


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-says-he-s-open-republican-running-mate-n1108931

quote:

Former Vice President Joe Biden, one of the leading Democratic presidential contenders, said on Monday that he's open to picking a Republican running mate if he were to become the party's nominee.

Biden, who often touts his history of working with Republicans, was asked by a woman at a town hall in Exeter, New Hampshire if he thought that the best way to unite the country would be to pick a Republican vice president.

"The answer is I would, but I can't think of one now,” he said, which prompted some laughter in the room. "There is some really decent Republicans that are out there still, but here's the problem right now, of the well-known ones, they've got to step up."

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/1241827202435596289

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
I would say in 2020 when people are still going bankrupt due to medical bills or freaking out because they have no medical coverage, the guy whose plan for healthcare is "middle class people get a tax break on their premiums and if M4A shows up on my desk I'll veto it instantly cause we ain't got the money for that" is pretty lovely

But you know he'll reach across the aisle and get stuff done like:

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

American isn't ready for another black president.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Fister Roboto posted:

Really looking forward to every single criticism of Biden being deflected like this.

Only the stupid ones, like the tweet that started this argument.


Meshka posted:

Bernie is a good person who is not a good candidate for the current electorate. Biden is a good candidate for the poo poo brained idiots who think that he will bring "decorum" back to the country. A lot of people care more about results than some imaginary view of the nation we have for ourselves.


Acebuckeye13 posted:

Biden is a candidate with a number of flaws but he's not "lovely," and neither was Bernie. Both had substantial strengths and weaknesses with voters of every demographic, and it is (imo) impossible to say who would have done better in the general election. shouting "no, your preferred candidate is garbage!" is not going to convince anyone of anything

My preferred candidate dropped out so oh well. I don't particularly care for either Bernie or Biden, but I think that the evidence from the primaries is that of all the Democratic candidates this year, Biden has the best shot against Trump. He has the support of the Democratic base and he showed the strongest among white blue collar voters who were they key to Trump's victory. Biden might lose, but if he does I don't think anyone would have won.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I would also call his habit of touching women inappropriately makes him pretty lovely, but hey what do I know, I'm just a delusional Sanders Sibling.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Eej posted:

I would say in 2020 when people are still going bankrupt due to medical bills or freaking out because they have no medical coverage, the guy whose plan for healthcare is "middle class people get a tax break on their premiums and if M4A shows up on my desk I'll veto it instantly cause we ain't got the money for that" is pretty lovely

But you know he'll reach across the aisle and get stuff done like:

And yet, that's still better than the alternative.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





holy gently caress shut up

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Holy poo poo what a bunch of thermonuclear takes

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Fister Roboto posted:

I would also call his habit of touching women inappropriately makes him pretty lovely, but hey what do I know, I'm just a delusional Sanders Sibling.

If we are just going by ethical views, yes, he's lovely. Just like every politician is by virtue of being a politician. If we are going by winning an election, touching women doesn't make him lovely because clearly the voters dont give a single poo poo about groping people.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Chichevache posted:

If we are just going by ethical views, yes, he's lovely. Just like every politician is by virtue of being a politician. If we are going by winning an election, touching women doesn't make him lovely because clearly the voters dont give a single poo poo about groping people.


ElMaligno posted:

Holy poo poo what a bunch of thermonuclear takes

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Hot take doesn't make it wrong take.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Chichevache posted:

Hot take doesn't make it wrong take.

A very specific subset of the democratic party voters doesn't equal all voters.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

ElMaligno posted:

A very specific subset of the democratic party doesn't equal voters.

This has been very bad news... for Bernie.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

ded posted:

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Lando reading the last few pages of this thread

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

pantslesswithwolves posted:



Lando reading the last few pages of this thread

:same:

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



Eej posted:

I would say in 2020 when people are still going bankrupt due to medical bills or freaking out because they have no medical coverage, the guy whose plan for healthcare is "middle class people get a tax break on their premiums and if M4A shows up on my desk I'll veto it instantly cause we ain't got the money for that" is pretty lovely

But you know he'll reach across the aisle and get stuff done like:

:hai:

quote:

And yet, that's still better than the alternative.

Tell that to someone who is going bankrupt due to cancer or worried about paying for their Covid-19 testing & treatment.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

pantslesswithwolves posted:



Lando reading the last few pages of this thread

He's not mad, just disappointed.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

ElMaligno posted:

A very specific subset of the democratic party voters doesn't equal all voters.

And running an anti-gun republican isn't going to bring enough democratic voters.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Radical 90s Wizard posted:

Yo Ace, all your politico posts are really good poo poo :hfive:

:same:

ded posted:

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Godholio posted:

And running an anti-gun republican isn't going to bring enough democratic voters.

Bloomberg did crash and burn, yeah.

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