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Riot Carol Danvers posted:How's the teleconference going? I refuse to watch it They are talking badly about testing in other countries and just one-upped "The Presidents 15 Day Challenge" We're hosed.
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BigDave posted:Is the 1.5k a one off, or a recurring benefit? That's the one-off part, per-person including kids, there's also a recurring which is 600/week. I think that's per adult but I haven't had a chance to read it all yet.
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So where the gently caress is Dr. Fauci? Is he out? Other Sane Lady looked miserable watching Trump talk.
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Bernie underperforming in the primaries really made the place turn a corner into outright hatefulness
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Mar 23, 2020 23:38
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Bored As gently caress posted:Jesus loving Christ. gently caress them. So do we like public money given away to the well off or not?
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Mar 23, 2020 23:44
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Your country has 5x as many deaths as we have cases and nothing is being done What the gently caress
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 There's no loving way this will work. I mean, it'll work for the Corps of Engineers. But it won't work for the people who have to find the equipment, the clinicians who have to staff it, or the patients who have to try to recover there.A real ICU room is almost as hard to build as an operating room. It takes months to do it. And most existing ICU equipment needs the specialized air, water, and electricity lines that a real ICU room has. Even some of the portable stuff assumes you will have the hookups that are in most ambulances. The only ICU equipment that will work in a bare room is the equipment packed away in field hospital supply boxes. And why the gently caress would you dick around for a week and half on renovations when you've got the tent right there ready right now?
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bc you put the tent up first while you build the ICU? its pretty simple
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Mar 23, 2020 23:54
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Weirdly enough an actual building is usually better than a tent
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Mar 23, 2020 23:58
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Bored As gently caress posted:Jesus loving Christ. gently caress them. tbh this is a step in the right direction, at least they are giving money directly to non-corporate citizens, and are using cash rather than tax credits but, of course, i do not have to hand it to them
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Mar 23, 2020 23:58
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I'm not at all upset that the plan requires anybody filing for taxes that show they made over 75k to repay 1200
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Mar 24, 2020 00:00
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Internet Wizard posted:Weirdly enough an actual building is usually better than a tent Depends on the building. If he were talking about putting up walls in a gym or convention center that doesn't have existing carpet, that could work. But existing hotels and dorms? That's bonkers.
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Mar 24, 2020 00:05
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I'm more than a little embarrassed that I see $75,000 and think of it as some unattainable salary. I do live in a hell state with a low cost of living though.
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Mar 24, 2020 00:08
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Repurpose dead malls into hospitals. Put a VA sign on it and leave it open after the virus crisis. I would say the dead box stores too, but then you literally wind up in Kmart hospital care.
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Mar 24, 2020 00:09
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Why are people in this thread acting like someone making 75k a year is poor and shouldn't have to pay the money back? Or are people just not reading and think everyone has to pay it back?
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Mar 24, 2020 00:10
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It's all made up moonbux anyhow. Let them have their money. Unless they make one million moonbux or more, then squeeze like you want blood from a turnip.
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Mar 24, 2020 00:12
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Because 75k is really not that much
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Mar 24, 2020 00:12
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Because 75k is really not that much Seriously it all depends on cost of living. If you make 75k and live near the San Francisco Bay aren't you just barely scraping by?
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The median personal income in the US, going by a quick ol' google search, is about 31K, and the median household income is about 60K. It's also worth noting that 75K personal/150K household is where the money starts to taper off, so presumably you still get something until an even higher limit.
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Mar 24, 2020 00:17
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75k in California is lower middle class anywhere near a city.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Repurpose dead malls into hospitals. That's another good idea for quick renovations. Large enclosed indoor spaces surrounded with wide access and utility corridors. A heavy duty HVAC that's easy to modify. Lots of surfaces designed to be easy to clean. Lots of heavy duty plumbing and electrical running everywhere.
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:Seriously it all depends on cost of living. If you make 75k and live near the San Francisco Bay aren't you just barely scraping by? Yes but $75k where I went to college would probably have you in a 2br house with a back yard and a new car out front. It’s a step in the right direction but imo the $75k threshold is too low regardless of COL
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75k after taxes would be 6400ish a month. Even if rent is $3k, you're still doing better than most poors with the remaining $3400.Ceiling fan posted:That's another good idea for quick renovations. Large enclosed indoor spaces surrounded with wide access and utility corridors. A heavy duty HVAC that's easy to modify. Lots of surfaces designed to be easy to clean. Lots of heavy duty plumbing and electrical running everywhere. Yeah. It's an idea I heard floated a while back and it made perfect sense for localized VAs. Otherwise you have a bunch of $2.5bil hospitals being built because that's what they blew on Denver. But yeah, make anchor stores into bed wards for different specialties. Leave the food court too, because no one likes hospital food. gently caress, make them medicare for all hospitals for all I care, poo poo has got to get better soon and we need to take shortcuts where available. Leave the hallmark shop too. The olds will flock to it anyhow because of the large indoor walking space, lotta fat old vets could use the exercise. Maybe hook up an actual exchange store inside so we don't have to search our cars for weed before heading on base for tax free goods. Seriously, malls are a good model to build off of for the veteran community, and cheaper than building giant hospitals that legally can't be within some dumb distance from each other, like 130 miles. Stupid VA rules. CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:Seriously it all depends on cost of living. If you make 75k and live near the San Francisco Bay aren't you just barely scraping by? With three roommates and no car it's totally doable. I was offered a job in SF a few years ago that paid 75k and I turned it down. It wasn't doable unless you wanted to live halfway between SF and Sacramento. At least that's what I saw, others might have a different experience.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:75k after taxes would be 6400ish a month. Even if rent is $3k, you're still doing better than most poors with the remaining $3400. What? Do you not know how to do math?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:75k after taxes would be 6400ish a month. Even if rent is $3k, you're still doing better than most poors with the remaining $3400. 7500/12 is 6250/mo before taxes.
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Stultus Maximus posted:So do we like public money given away to the well off or not? Doc Hawkins posted:tbh this is a step in the right direction, at least they are giving money directly to non-corporate citizens, and are using cash rather than tax credits
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Woofer posted:7500/12 is 6250/mo before taxes. Before taxes might be a hint of how bad your math is. Also, add a 0 there. After taxes, its like: $4,566 If your rent is $3k, that means you have about $1,500 to play with. Now subtract bills, assume at least $500 in bills, you have a bout $1k in liquidity. That's really not as much as you'd think.
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CommieGIR posted:Before taxes might be a hint of how bad your math is. Also, add a 0 there. My math was right but my typing wasn’t 
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Woofer posted:My math was right but my typing wasn’t Now add bills, college debt, car payment, credit card debt....
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Mar 24, 2020 00:26
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If the point is to stimulate the economy, loans to regular people are a weird way to do it. People hoard in bad times and they will hoard harder if they treat money as a loan rather than a freebie. If you think it's not right for people making 75k to get free money then you should tax them more when the economy comes back.
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:What? Do you not know how to do math? I'm a little stoned but I did say after tax. Yeah, I'm a dumbass, but I was going on if you had 75k a year after taxes so like, what, 90k before? CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:
"Attention Doctors, Code blue light special on aisles 1-28"
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Did they say what happened to Fauci? I had to peace out for dinner. Also, it's fun having dinner every night together at the table with everyone.
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Mar 24, 2020 00:29
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Trump keeps interrupting whoever that woman is. I haven't been paying attention. Trump is a white noise machine. All I hear is static.
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One thing to note: the payback only occurs if your 2020 salary is above the limit specifically. If you’re still making 6 figgies this year, you’re likely ok through this.
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That Works posted:Did they say what happened to Fauci? I had to peace out for dinner. Only a British reporter had the balls to ask. Pence whispered to Trump "he's at a Task Force meeting." So that's what Trump said. He said "he's at a meeting, up here we're not really talking about what he's an expert in." Uhhh, yeah you are. He then said he'd have him up there again. Who knows if that's a lie. Well.... it's probably a lie.
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Mr. Nice! posted:One thing to note: the payback only occurs if your 2020 salary is above the limit specifically. If you’re still making 6 figgies this year, you’re likely ok through this. Airlines make slightly more than 6 figgies a year, will they have to pay everything back next April 15th?
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-republican-stimulus-bill-is-full-of-holes From Robert Reich ( a pro follow on Facebook) "Senate Republicans' proposed stimulus bill is a disaster. Here are its key failings: 1) It stipulates a one-time payment of up to $1,200 for every adult and $500 per child. How are people who lost their jobs supposed to pay their mortgages, rents, and bills for the foreseeable future with just this single check? 2) People are only eligible for this measly one-time payment unless their income is $23,500 or above — meaning the 64 million households with incomes *below* $50,000 would get even less, as little as $600 in some cases. That’s right: the people who need this money the most will get a smaller share. 3) It does not expand paid leave beyond the ridiculously insufficient two weeks mandated in the first emergency relief bill passed earlier this week, and does not reform the gaping loophole that exempts businesses with more than 500 employees. 4) It sets aside more than $200 billion for industries hurt by the pandemic, like airlines. The one stipulation? Companies that receive government loans would have to limit the pay of their senior executives. That’s it — no ban on stock buybacks, no minimum wage requirement, no worker or consumer protections. I supposed I shouldn’t be surprised this bill aims to help the rich more than the poor and give a massive blank check to corporations — after all, these are the same Republicans who didn’t blink twice when they gave the wealthy and corporations a cool $2,000,000,000,000 in tax cuts."
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Bored As gently caress posted:Only a British reporter had the balls to ask. Thanks!
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