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A Buttery Pastry posted:The trick is gonna be to maintain a trickle of cases so you can continue to claim that your spending is part of an emergency package. Corona today, corona tomorrow, corona forever. Somebody make a Soviet flag but replace the hammer and sickle with the virus.
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Red Flag with a virus on it? Can't see that causing an international incident at a time like this.
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Mar 20, 2020 23:55
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I meant it in a positive way, but I can see how assholes would use it to be racist yeah. Thanks for that, Denmark.
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Mar 20, 2020 23:56
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Orange Devil posted:I meant it in a positive way, but I can see how assholes would use it to be racist yeah. Thanks for that, Denmark. Look man they just give the people what they want. They 're not to blame, the people are
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Mar 21, 2020 00:34
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Guavanaut posted:Red Flag with a virus on it? Can't see that causing an international incident at a time like this. It sure was interesting to see the same people responsible for illegally ordering the confiscation of Tibetan flags and detention of protesters during a visit by Xi now declare Danish freedom of speech inviolable.
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Mar 21, 2020 00:47
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Electronico6 posted:My fiscal responsibility The commission accurately analysing that business as usual would break the euro and the EU itself is unexpected.lets see if euro bonds are next, cause they really need to be. This kinda makes me less cynical that our world will be broken for a long time.(it'll just be broken for a short time, kinda recover then get hit in the face by climate change, repeatedly.)
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Mar 21, 2020 01:05
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:The commission accurately analysing that business as usual would break the euro and the EU itself is unexpected.lets see if euro bonds are next, cause they really need to be.
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Mar 21, 2020 07:11
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I feel like nobody learned anything from 1929
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Mar 21, 2020 08:40
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Venomous posted:I feel like nobody learned anything History doesn't repeat, because it exact same thing can't happen. But it sure as gently caress rhymes and had a chorus.
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Mar 21, 2020 08:47
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Venomous posted:I feel like nobody learned anything from 1929 This isn't really the same situation. Also people took alot of lessons from the Great Depression and WWII, it's just that economists and politicians decided to throw all of those in the garbage in late 70s and 80s.
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Mar 21, 2020 09:10
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Well some of those lessons were that it's not a great idea to let wealth concentrate too much, which is directly against the class interests of the rich and powerful. Same lesson they learned and forgot after 1799. And 1848. And 1871. Just because these people are rich and/or powerful, doesn't mean they are not complete loving morons. In fact, they're more likely to be, since their wealth and power shields them from the consequences of their actions and thus they never have to face harsh truths that force them to learn a lesson. See: Trump, D. and Johnson B.
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Mar 21, 2020 12:17
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Usually war, foreign adventures, trying to map the Amazon or Congo or climb the Everest, poo poo like that, use to cull the dumb, the stupid, or the downright unlucky,so that the surviving wealthy would kinda have their wits about it, but the last 50 years have stoped that. That's why I was so pump up when they started talking about going to space and mars , because that would surely cull some of them. Guillotines are the ultimate leveler though, we should really look into bringing them back.
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Mar 21, 2020 12:36
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Orban is trying to dissolve parliament until the end of the year and rule by government decree instead. I'm sure this will have no further consequences. Shock doctrine in full effect yo.
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Mar 21, 2020 14:20
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It's good to know that even when the General Marshall of the armies of evil gets it into her head to do A Good, there will be reasonable people there to advise against doing any good at all. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKBN21625J quote:The European Central Bank’s 750-billion-euro bond buying program, agreed at an emergency meeting late on Wednesday, came with a pledge to remove self-imposed “constraints” if necessary - a reference to a cap on owning more than a third of one country’s bond. [...] Good yes excellent objection, as a country's entire productive system is shutting down to contain a pandemic and the entire global economy is headed for a mega recession as multiple links in the global supply chain grind to a halt: but what if muh moral hazard?
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Mar 22, 2020 09:52
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Thought this might be a relevant piece for the EUMT - Ahold Delhaize is one of Europe's biggest supermarket chains: quote:Ahold Delhaize boss: We’ll have enough food — if the borders remain open
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Mar 24, 2020 08:52
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Has anyone been stupid enough to close their borders for goods?
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Mar 24, 2020 10:00
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So within 3 weeks multiple European countries have suspended parliament and Schengen is dead. Alrighty then.
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Mar 24, 2020 10:03
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At least Finland has 80% food self sufficiency so people won't starve even if the shipments stop coming. Reading in the news of panicked swedes phoning finnish food producers wanting to buy as much as they can though, they're hosed if it happens.
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Mar 24, 2020 10:11
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His Divine Shadow posted:At least Finland has 80% food self sufficiency so people won't starve even if the shipments stop coming. Reading in the news of panicked swedes phoning finnish food producers wanting to buy as much as they can though, they're hosed if it happens. all those years of incredibly expensive agricultural subsidies about to pay off!
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Mar 24, 2020 10:13
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V. Illych L. posted:all those years of incredibly expensive agricultural subsidies about to pay off! I mean this kind of thing is exactly why agriculture subsidies exist
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Mar 24, 2020 10:18
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Almost like relying on the global supply chain for food security, beyond amplifying world inequalities, could constitute the risk of very mild immediate societal collapse the moment one of the myriad gears that compose said supply chain stops turning.
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Mar 24, 2020 10:22
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V. Illych L. posted:all those years of incredibly expensive agricultural subsidies about to pay off! Meh we spend 2 billion on subsidies for housing (basically subsidizing landlords) and less than 350 million on agriculture.
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Mar 24, 2020 10:22
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i wasn't even joking lol
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Mar 24, 2020 10:24
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D. Ebdrup posted:Has anyone been stupid enough to close their borders for goods? No but it doesn't matter. You know how, after Brexit, even the most basic checks on goods leaving/entering the UK would gently caress things up in a single day? We might be seeing the same thing, just to a lesser degree. Even if you wave trucks through, you still slow them down and it messes with just-in-time deliveries.
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Mar 24, 2020 10:53
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for real, i've thought my country's preoccupation with food supply was sort of quaint for many years, but now that we've got an unstable global situation that 90% potential self-sufficiency rate is very reassuring
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Mar 24, 2020 11:05
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Orange Devil posted:So within 3 weeks multiple European countries have suspended parliament and Schengen is dead. Schengen's not dead, it's working as intended. Suspended parliaments is the real problem. It sorta makes sense but that mostly serves to illustrate that parliaments need to have ways to allow remote participation.
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Mar 24, 2020 11:11
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Not being native I'm not sure, but someone remind me, France is like a mega-producer or something right? Like 100% self-sufficient and then some?
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Mar 24, 2020 11:11
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i'm pretty sure france could just stop exporting food and feed itself without further adjustments, yeah - the second line countries need a harvest season to really get going
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Mar 24, 2020 11:16
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going to rock when france reemerges as the preeminent remaining western power because everyone else starved to death can you imagine how *smug* they'd be
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Mar 24, 2020 11:18
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Like they need help to be any smugger. You can export smugness there's so much of it.
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Mar 24, 2020 11:24
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Not being native I'm not sure, but someone remind me, France is like a mega-producer or something right? Like 100% self-sufficient and then some? Yes and no. Modern agriculture, like modern capitalism, says that every country needs to be hyperspecialized in one single crop that is monocultivated large scale, while everything else is imported from other countries that are also hyperspecialized to monocultivate their one single crop. It's what is more efficient. What do you mean, crop rotation is necessary to prevent soil exhaustion? We don't care about soil exhaustion, if the soil is exhausted we can just pump more phosphates on it, jeez, it's not like phosphates are a finite resource that needs to be imported. Long story short, France is a net agricultural exporter, but it relies largely on Brazil for cattle feed. All those French cows and pigs and chickens? 90% of their food comes from Brazilian soy, cultivated on freshly-cut rainforests. Because lol, small scale agriculture is terrible for the environment, what's good and efficient and reduces the impact is ultramegahyperconcentration when you put 10 billions cows in a single building and import their food from the other side of the world. Obviously. If you cut off Moroccan phosphorus, Brazilian soy, and German poisons, French agriculture disappears except for the tiny minority of hippie bio/organic producers. (The ones who get 0% of the CAP subsidies.)
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Mar 24, 2020 11:25
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Mar 24, 2020 11:33
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Every spring the countryside here smells like dung. Because the farmers are going around in their tractors literally dumping animal manure and flinging piss around from piss flinging machines over the fields. It's the smell of dinner and money.
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Mar 24, 2020 11:35
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Stuff like squash, pumpkins, tomatoes, watermelons also need need bees to pollinate so lol. Potato needs beetles.(and wind, naitch) Some things in greenhouses or industrial farming are horribly reliant on cross pollinators or a shitton of human work.all our migrants that actually work the fields are about to get the Roni or shot at the borders. Start looking at native staples of you country.hope you like thistle soup! Antifa Poltergeist fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:Every spring the countryside here smells like dung. Because the farmers are going around in their tractors literally dumping animal manure and flinging piss around from piss flinging machines over the fields. It's the smell of dinner and money. I'm glad I'm not the only person who associates the smell of pig poo poo with dinner.
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It's actually cow poo poo, dunno if they have pig poo poo in there but it definitely smells like cow dung. My grandfather had both cows, sheep and pigs so I can tell the difference. edit: We used go get cow dung from my granddad who lived like 400 meters away when I was a kid and spread it over our own fields in spring, we grew our own potatoes then, and onions and other vegetables, my parents still do, but no more cow poo poo, now they buy manure from the stores. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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Mar 24, 2020 11:39
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I assume ours is mostly cow too, yeah, it all ends up in a giant steaming pile full of straw anyway.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Not being native I'm not sure, but someone remind me, France is like a mega-producer or something right? Like 100% self-sufficient and then some? Self sufficient in what? Exotic fruits? No. In terms of grains & potatoes, if it is not yet, it can be within a year. I think most European countries can. Modern industrial agriculture is insanely productive. Also, all the major countries have strategic government grain reserves for situations like supply chain disturbances. Nobody has to starve just because the borders are closed for a couple months. (Only if they are closed for a couple + 1 months)
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Cat Mattress posted:Yes and no. Modern agriculture, like modern capitalism, says that every country needs to be hyperspecialized in one single crop that is monocultivated large scale, while everything else is imported from other countries that are also hyperspecialized to monocultivate their one single crop. It's what is more efficient. Modern society is as crazy as it is impressive.
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The whole thing is a self-correcting problem. The more people die the less food you need and the more you have.
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