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Hexyflexy posted:No as far as I remember, that was kinda the entire point of Delenn's comfort in becoming half human to partially atone for it. To follow up on that, it was similar to what was happening to the Vorlons and Shadows, but a precursor to future times, the Mimbari were on the cusp of becoming one of them and Delenn pretty much had to make the choice on what they did and how if affected everyone. They backed off and decided not to act as gods, which they could have because Mimbari tech.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:B5's defense grid has a lot of stock footage of its guns deploying any time someone starts poo poo outside the station. Yeah but there isn't the equivalent for the minbari, which is a bit alanis
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sebmojo posted:Yeah but there isn't the equivalent for the minbari, which is a bit alanis Minbari ship design is more elegant, the gun ports basically just open and presto - guns! Which is probably why they energise the weapons as well; the objective is to be open handed with what they've got, but that's hard to do when you designed your turrets to avoid visible panty line. If they had Earthforce style flip-up turrets they wouldn't have to do that.
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Jedit posted:Minbari ship design is more elegant, the gun ports basically just open and presto - guns! Which is probably why they energise the weapons as well; the objective is to be open handed with what they've got, but that's hard to do when you designed your turrets to avoid visible panty line. If they had Earthforce style flip-up turrets they wouldn't have to do that. They didn't charge their weapons though; their ship's scanners were so strong it jammed the EA fleet's own sensors, blinding them. Thinking the jamming/open gunports meant an attack, the EA fired first.
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Blindeye posted:They didn't charge their weapons though; their ship's scanners were so strong it jammed the EA fleet's own sensors, blinding them. Thinking the jamming/open gunports meant an attack, the EA fired first. It does make you stop and think of all the coincidences that lined up for the war to happen. 1) Humans deliberately exploring space on their border to meet them, having heard stories of a reclusive race (and deliberately ignoring the warnings from at least one other race) 2) Minbari philosophy of open gun ports 3) A commander on the first contact ship that was known to be bad in first contact situations (uhhh...so how many wars with other races were the humans involved with thanks to this guy?) 4) Strong Minbari tech that both (unintentionally) jammed Earthforce sensors and make their ships nearly invisible to their radar 5) The ship just so happened to have the Grey Council and their religious and cultural leader onboard, who died from the assault 6) Delenn, who was the deciding vote, was so anguished, even more than the rest of the Minbari, that she decided to Holy War us humans.* *Though I do find it odd that she was one of the ones who realized it was wrong to have open gun ports, that the humans might see it as a sign of aggression...and then when they DID see it as aggression, then has the gal to saw they attacked "without provocation."
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DrBouvenstein posted:*Though I do find it odd that she was one of the ones who realized it was wrong to have open gun ports, that the humans might see it as a sign of aggression...and then when they DID see it as aggression, then has the gal to saw they attacked "without provocation." I think that was just supposed to be a result of how Dukhat's death had temporarily enraged her but it was a little clumsily written. Her casting the deciding vote to RIP AND TEAR did that well enough on its own.
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DrBouvenstein posted:It does make you stop and think of all the coincidences that lined up for the war to happen. An Austrian nobleman decided to visit a hospital and someone forgot to tell his driver that the route had changed. The result was the First World War.
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sebmojo posted:i just don't remember seeing any is all The Earth-Minbari War started because the Minbari custom was to open gunports as they approached new people. Earth thought they were hostile and ganked Dukhat. e: I should refresh before I hit post
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When you decide to watch a Babylon 5 episode to take your mind off things, but it turns out to be an episode where an infectious disease sweeps the station and everyone goes into quarantine 
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man, the gathering is actually fairly pimp, takashima and dr guy aside. it's amazing to watch after seeing the entire series. Doctor guy is a decent actor who just didn't have it right, and laurel is unfortunately just bad but it's fun imagining how much better ivanova would do her lines.
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TK-42-1 posted:The Earth-Minbari War started because the Minbari custom was to open gunports as they approached new people. Earth thought they were hostile and ganked Dukhat. and yes i know, but it's just weird we literally never see a minbari gunport opening.
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sebmojo posted:and yes i know, but it's just weird we literally never see a minbari gunport opening. They were already open, obviously.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:When you decide to watch a Babylon 5 episode to take your mind off things, but it turns out to be an episode where an infectious disease sweeps the station and everyone goes into quarantine On the other hand, if you're watching sequentially you're into one of the strongest runs of the show, including The Best Episode
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sebmojo posted:man, the gathering is actually fairly pimp, takashima and dr guy aside. it's amazing to watch after seeing the entire series. I couldn't No, really. I can live with phaser-like remote controls for guns. I can live with sketchy communicators. But maaaan. Minbari makeup DELENN WTFUUUUUCK
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I couldn't At least in her case, it's because the original plan was that she was a male* Minbari and would be transformed not only to half-human, but also into a woman at the end of season 1. *Or maybe it was that Minbari had no gender so she would have gone from androgynous/gender neutral to a woman, I can't recall.
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She was supposed to be male
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Iirc they were going to go with minbari as androgynous? I actually loved how dirty the station is in the pilot, it's very 1980s ny club. But oh god laurel t.
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Jedit posted:They were already open, obviously. 
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The Sharlin ship models have huge external fixed cannons so I'm not even sure what "open gun ports" means in this case. Do they have little flaps over the barrels that flip open, or Bic pen caps that pop off?
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Mar 29, 2020 01:39
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thread posted:[stuff about Minbari castes] I think it's a nice summary of the conversation, and the way Minbari society presented itself.
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sebmojo posted:Most of Straczynski's writing is hilariously on the nose
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sebmojo posted:Iirc they were going to go with minbari as androgynous? IIIRC they were supposed to look androgynous (or at least hard to tell which was which) but JMS said he wanted Delenn to start off as a Male and switch. I’d have to break out the script book to be sure though.
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Just a bunch of good old boys being super pumped to start shooting aliens
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McSpanky posted:The Sharlin ship models have huge external fixed cannons so I'm not even sure what "open gun ports" means in this case. Do they have little flaps over the barrels that flip open, or Bic pen caps that pop off? IIRC it's the gun ports in the shields.
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CainFortea posted:IIRC it's the gun ports in the shields. Minbari ships don't have shields. Pretty much nobody in Babylon 5 outside of the First Ones or the Thirdspace aliens have them.
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I assume "shield" just meant the flat bits on the side that stick out a little.
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No, I thought minbari cruisers had actual shields, but checked the b5 wiki and they don't.
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Alright weird question that’s been bothering me, why are so many characters seen specifically ordering or drinking water at the bar? Garibaldi makes sense, but also Talia specifically asks for it and the doctor guy only has a glass of water in at least one scene. Was there some kind of restriction on what could be shown on TV? Is everyone an alcoholic? (Or am I just overthinking this)
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Alright weird question that’s been bothering me, why are so many characters seen specifically ordering or drinking water at the bar? Garibaldi makes sense, but also Talia specifically asks for it and the doctor guy only has a glass of water in at least one scene. Was there some kind of restriction on what could be shown on TV? Is everyone an alcoholic? (Or am I just overthinking this) All they had otherwise was Zima.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Alright weird question that’s been bothering me, why are so many characters seen specifically ordering or drinking water at the bar? Garibaldi makes sense, but also Talia specifically asks for it and the doctor guy only has a glass of water in at least one scene. Was there some kind of restriction on what could be shown on TV? Is everyone an alcoholic? (Or am I just overthinking this) People were drinking alcohol and getting drunk all the time there, so that can't be it.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Alright weird question that’s been bothering me, why are so many characters seen specifically ordering or drinking water at the bar? Garibaldi makes sense, but also Talia specifically asks for it and the doctor guy only has a glass of water in at least one scene. Was there some kind of restriction on what could be shown on TV? Is everyone an alcoholic? (Or am I just overthinking this) Dr Franklin... likes other things.
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I imagine telepaths indulging in mind-altering substances is frowned upon.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Dr Franklin... likes other things. his store-brand equivalent in the pilot was hilariously on the nose 'yes, i've been working extremely hard and have not been sleeping and therefore been using stims to keep up'
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sebmojo posted:his store-brand equivalent in the pilot was hilariously on the nose 'yes, i've been working extremely hard and have not been sleeping and therefore been using stims to keep up' Xenobiological Research has a type
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jms posted:We'd originally planned to go for a more vague sexuality for Delenn; a male physically and primarily in the voice, on top of the natural female movements one gets from an actress. In post-production, however, we couldn't get the voice to sound as good and male as we'd wanted. In addition, a couple of convention showing of a rough cut saw people responding VERY strongly to her voice as it was, so we finally decided to let it stand and change the one reference to "he" to "she," and that was the end of it. Delenn was originally going to be a fairly sexually-ambiguous character...a male character, played by a female, with a computer altered voice...but we couldn't make the alteration sound good enough to satisfy us, so we left her a her. tracked down the jms comments on delenn in the pilot.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Alright weird question that’s been bothering me, why are so many characters seen specifically ordering or drinking water at the bar? Garibaldi makes sense, but also Talia specifically asks for it and the doctor guy only has a glass of water in at least one scene. Was there some kind of restriction on what could be shown on TV? Is everyone an alcoholic? (Or am I just overthinking this) Water is not very abundant on the station, most of it is recycled so...Drinking water is a status symbol of sorts too. sebmojo posted:tracked down the jms comments on delenn in the pilot. That's a fair point but her appearance was so appalling in the pilot. Though it would play out nicely with the whole 'after war' premise. Erulisse fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Water is not very abundant on the station, most of it is recycled so...Drinking water is a status symbol of sorts too. But, wouldn't virtually anything else be even more rare? Beer/spirits would need to be shipped in, unless those monks also brewed some, and that process would use up a lot of water. Fruit juices would be similar, given that arable land is so limited they can't even grow coffee legally.
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Fell Fire posted:But, wouldn't virtually anything else be even more rare? Beer/spirits would need to be shipped in, unless those monks also brewed some, and that process would use up a lot of water. Fruit juices would be similar, given that arable land is so limited they can't even grow coffee legally. They're talking about ordering fresh bottled water, not the recycled water. At least, that's the impression I always got.
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