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If Biden would drop dead tomorrow you would see one of the other candidates restart their campaign to stop Bernie. I’d assume Harris?
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Djarum posted:If Biden would drop dead tomorrow you would see one of the other candidates restart their campaign to stop Bernie. I’d assume Harris? My money would be on the Rat.
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Mar 25, 2020 03:34
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Rat would have the best shot. Hell maybe Warren? Literally could be anyone, the DNC doesn't seem to give a gently caress.
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Mar 25, 2020 03:36
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Djarum posted:If Biden would drop dead tomorrow you would see one of the other candidates restart their campaign to stop Bernie. I’d assume Harris? I think you'd see all of them do it. I'm pretty sure the math works out that no one but Bernie and Biden could possibly win on the first ballot, so as long as Bernie doesn't reach 1991 (which I think would happen in a return-to-the-clowncar) then at the convention they'd divide up cabinet positions and pull straws to determine the lead. If they don't pick Bernie, and they won't, I hope they do Hillary because then I can laugh instead of cry when Trump wins
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Mar 25, 2020 03:40
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fondue posted:I thought the DNC could just appoint anyone they wanted and that the primaries were bread and circuses for the voters? Weren't they sued in Florida over this and the court determined it was lovely but legal? The DNC is a private corporation which governs the Democratic Party and can choose it's political nominee any way it wants. They have rules governing the nomination process, but they could and have in the past changed those rules.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Rat would have the best shot. Hell maybe Warren? Literally could be anyone, the DNC doesn't seem to give a gently caress. If I were to rank democratic candidates by their ability to defeat Trump Biden is at the bottom of the list and number two is Warren. Seriously, how did she ever beat anyone? She has the political instincts of ...I dunno Geroge McCellen? William Jennings Bryan? I don't know, I only know people who did well enough to be notable and she will be forgotten in months.
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Mar 25, 2020 03:45
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Bloomy Warbucks might have another shot. People don't really like him but they'll be grasping at straws and he has the cash.
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Mar 25, 2020 03:48
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fondue posted:I thought the DNC could just appoint anyone they wanted and that the primaries were bread and circuses for the voters? Weren't they sued in Florida over this and the court determined it was lovely but legal? Uh, not quite. I read the decision; what the court said was that the DNC's logic was asinine but the people suing lacked standing to bring suit in federal court. In fact the judge had this to say about the DNC's claims in the case: quote:For their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charter’s promise of “impartiality and evenhandedness” as a mere political promise — — political rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of the DNC’s governing principles. He didn't actually make any ruling on the merits of the case because the plaintiff's lacked standing to sue, and had plenty of other non-judicial options for redress (specifically, voting in the primary or engaging in internal DNC processes). And keep in mind that this case, which was about whether or not the DNC liked Clinton more than Sanders, had far lower stakes than, say, throwing out millions of votes to declare a party flunky the candidate. If the DNC does that they won't be getting sued by a handful of angry voters, they'll be getting sued by state Attorneys General. Apogee15 posted:The DNC is a private corporation which governs the Democratic Party and can choose it's political nominee any way it wants. They have rules governing the nomination process, but they could and have in the past changed those rules. This is a gross oversimplification of the role the DNC and the Democratic Party plays. Yes they're technically a private club, but they interact with the public in a way that binds their hands significantly. Edit: Djarum posted:If Biden would drop dead tomorrow you would see one of the other candidates restart their campaign to stop Bernie. I’d assume Harris? If Biden literally dies his delegates get reallocated to other candidates and Bernie leaps so far ahead as to be unstoppable. There wouldn't be any chance to stop him. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 25, 2020 |
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Mar 25, 2020 03:55
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Exodus1984 posted:I do not know if there is an effective mechanism, but there is a mechanism. If neither candidate gets to 1991, and this goes to the second ballot, I believe Biden could be removed. Thing is, I cannot figure out who he is replaced with that placates both the moderates and the left. They don't care about placating the left.
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Mar 25, 2020 04:00
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Everything in this short article is just great.quote:Former Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday that he does not want to be in a political fight with President Trump over the coronavirus outbreak but that he would continue to call the president out on misinformation regarding the virus. 
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Mar 25, 2020 04:07
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“ Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen. Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye” -Joe Biden, 3/24/2020
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Mar 25, 2020 04:09
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Goddamn so loving feckless quote:"The coronavirus is not his fault, but the lack of speed with which to respond to it has to move much faster," he continued. "This is not about Democrat or Republican. This is not about what your party is. It's about getting through this." Just screaming "I am pathetic!" over and over again. The Dems are loving doomed.
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Mar 25, 2020 04:09
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lol he’s going to get steamrolled
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Mar 25, 2020 04:16
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Goddamn so loving feckless https://twitter.com/dril/status/1060213035074183169?s=21
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Mar 25, 2020 04:24
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Mar 25, 2020 04:26
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He's entirely right, this isn't about politics, this is about how badly someone can possibly gently caress something up and how many people are going to die as a result Oh wait is that politics Is that what politics is, Biden, you fermented wankstain "but the lack of speed with which to respond to it has to move much faster" this sentence is just about comprehensible, but the fact that he's now being quoted verbatim instead of hiding his garbled verbiage behind summary is glorious to behold "I want no part of a political fight either" jesus dude you shouldn't have become a goddamn politician then what do you think your loving job is "the mindset that was slow to recognize the problem in the first place, to treat it with a seriousness it deserved" from no-cognitive-test Biden 
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Mar 25, 2020 04:26
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Tying himself up in knots for the sake of decorum, and Trump’s response, as expected, is “yeah, whatever, gently caress off” and his fans eat it up. I’d take the mostly rambling incoherence from Biden if every now and then there was a “you know what? gently caress that guy” in there.
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Mar 25, 2020 04:42
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""The coronavirus is not his fault, but the lack of speed with which to respond to it has to move much faster" Presidential!
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Mar 25, 2020 05:51
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Mar 25, 2020 05:53
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Uh, not quite. I read the decision; what the court said was that the DNC's logic was asinine but the people suing lacked standing to bring suit in federal court. In fact the judge had this to say about the DNC's claims in the case: Thank you for this!
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Mar 25, 2020 06:07
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The only idea that Biden has pushed (besides people who want things are toxic bros who should shut up) is that every Republican except Trump is a Very Fine Person, but he's not even going to attack Trump.
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Dr Christmas posted:The only idea that Biden has pushed (besides people who want things are toxic bros who should shut up) is that every Republican except Trump is a Very Fine Person, but he's not even going to attack Trump. Dude's a republican, any promises that he won't pick the most conservative judge possible should be put to the "Obama picked a loving conservative-rear end judge and Biden was picked because he's to the right of Obama" test, he's a waste of loving space and should be dumped and replaced by whatever garbage-rear end candidate they want to shove into the spotlight as soon as possible
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Mar 25, 2020 06:37
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Biden won a bunch of states he didn't campaign in so it seems in fact his best strategy is not campaigning at all.
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Mar 25, 2020 06:38
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Uh, not quite. I read the decision; what the court said was that the DNC's logic was asinine but the people suing lacked standing to bring suit in federal court. In fact the judge had this to say about the DNC's claims in the case: The important takeaway from this isn't the non-binding opinions of one judge, but what the DNC thinks they can do, and they clearly think that the entire primary process is a sop to the masses. It's something they do as an indulgence, and they might even stick to the result (which they go to great lengths to influence anyway) provided they agree with or can at least live with it, but they aren't going to honor the result if it means they lose control of their own party. If they have to choose between handing over the keys to Sanders, or facing some lawsuits from some states, they're going to face some lawsuits from some states, and by the time those lawsuits are settled, the result of them isn't going to matter i.e. they'll have won.
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Mar 25, 2020 06:41
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I think there is a good chance they'll roll those dice. Like, 100%.
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Mar 25, 2020 06:48
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The dem establishment clearly doesn't give a poo poo if they lose to Trump again. And why should they? Trump is good for the grift, after all.
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Mar 25, 2020 07:19
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Yeah? So? The point is they'll still have control of their party, which I assure you is 1000x more important to them than defeating Trump.
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Mar 25, 2020 07:20
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I guess it depends on if they're myopic enough to think there would be a party left to control if they pulled it. You're not wrong to bet on the DNC elites being shortsighted and power hungry. I just think they're too big of cowards to either try it, or try it and actually commit to it once the blowback starts. Ultimately, they don't have the control they think they do. I'm sure some of them think they could dictate a candidate and the party just has to accept it, but if it ever came to that and they tried to line up Cuomo or Harris as a "compromise" they'd be in for a really rude awakening and would buckle in short order.
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Mar 25, 2020 07:28
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They're shortsighted, greedy, and have complete and utter contempt for their voters.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I guess it depends on if they're myopic enough to think there would be a party left to control if they pulled it. You're not wrong to bet on the DNC elites being shortsighted and power hungry. I just think they're too big of cowards to either try it, or try it and actually commit to it once the blowback starts. Ultimately, they don't have the control they think they do. I'm sure some of them think they could dictate a candidate and the party just has to accept it, but if it ever came to that and they tried to line up Cuomo or Harris as a "compromise" they'd be in for a really rude awakening and would buckle in short order. The only thing that's going to "matter" is when - and if - they get blown out of the loving water Mondale-style in November. And all that will happen then is they take a hit to their credibility, shift blame to the left (loving Bernie Bros didn't turn out!), and lawyer up for the lawsuits over the primary. They still don't lose control of the party because they already neutralized the only real threat to that control. I guess I just don't see the mechanism by which the left takes this party over from the bottom up - like I said you go to the loving county and local Democratic meetings and poo poo and even in a blue state (I live in King County) it's just a sea of apathetic old white boomers in it for the kicks and because they like to think they give a poo poo (or, they loving love rules-lawyering everything and holy poo poo is there opportunity for that if it's your fetish). And then peppered with a handful of loud leftists who get outmaneuvered by the rules-lawyering and outvoted if the rules didn't get them first. Right or wrong (and I'm not sure where I stand on it now) the vast majority of leftists think electoralism is total bullshit and you can see that in deed: there are some exceptions but they are just not a presence in the lower levels of the Democratic party. If every DSA member ran for PCO of their precinct we could totally take over a lot of locals (they would almost all run uncontested and win) and be a significant presence in the rest. But it's not happening, I don't see it happening suddenly now, and aside from the Hail Mary of Bernie winning the nomination (where he would still need support from the grassroots of the party anyway) that is really the only way to take over the party. I will point out though, the only reason I'm a PCO at all is that Our Revolution engaged me to do so. It was just like, one email, though. I don't know how hard they're going to continue to push that - I hope they loving hammer on it, though.
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Mar 25, 2020 07:54
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Has the whole candidate bait-and-switch ever worked?
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Dr Christmas posted:The only idea that Biden has pushed (besides people who want things are toxic bros who should shut up) is that every Republican except Trump is a Very Fine Person, but he's not even going to attack Trump. Thats not true! He clearly said he will not oppose fossil fuel interests in fracking in the US. And he also said one solution to the health crisis was "support our troops".
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PerniciousKnid posted:They don't care about placating the left. Not sure if I agree. I don't think they care too much about people on the far left of the spectrum, because those voters are already pretty disenfranchised. The Chapo crowd (myself included) was probably never voting for anyone other than Sanders. But the DNC does care about the "progressive" vote. This is kind of the quiet "blue no matter who" vote. These are the people who, while not wanting Biden, they want to beat Trump more than anything else. These are the people who volunteer for campaigns, and will go in to a voting booth and swallow their pride for the lesser of two evils. Hence Biden saying he is going to pick a woman as his VP, appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court, etc. The DNC wants those folks to feel good about Biden's promise of piecemeal change. I know so many people like this. Thing is, I do not know if these half measures will work. It might have worked if Biden ran in 2016, when Obama was very popular. All of Biden's very bad positions could have been neutralized: Biden could have more or less said that he made a bunch of bad decisions, but he learned from Obama. I'm not sure of the reporting which indicates that Obama told Joe not to run, or that the death of his son pushed him away from running. But he had his window and chose not to go through it. 2020 Biden is four very long years away from 2016 Biden, and not just what could be cognitive decline. The more the wheels of history move past the Obama administration, the clearer the picture gets that while there was some good, there was also a lot of missed opportunity, and a lot of poor choices. Just so happens that Biden was involved in a lot of missed opportunities and poor choices, and his record indicates that is kind of his thing.
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the democratic party is not going to give up anything to the left unless it absolutely has to to win elections. this is because the left's big demands are all very costly and are going to alienate other groups with influence and money. so long as they're better than the alternative, they think that they're getting the left's vote. so far, they haven't been very wrong
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Mar 25, 2020 12:07
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But all he does is livestream!
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Mar 25, 2020 12:30
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BUT WHY ISNT HE IN THE SENATE??????
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Mar 25, 2020 12:36
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Most in effective Senator ever, eh?
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Mar 25, 2020 12:52
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SimonCat posted:Most in effective Senator ever, eh? It is hard to tell from that tweet if he is or isn't, but considering he has spoken publicly against the $500 billion slush fund it seems he is very ineffective. Fake edit: Ahh you are talking effective from the point of view of the peasantry, I guess he is fairly "effective" in that regard. But how the hell can you make any real amount of money from grifting that?
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