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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race?
This poll is closed.
R. Allin-Khan 6 1.60%
R. Burgon 80 21.33%
D. Butler 72 19.20%
A. Rayner 35 9.33%
I. Murray 5 1.33%
P. Flaps 177 47.20%
Total: 375 votes
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Sad Panda
Sep 22, 2004

I'm a Sad Panda.

Jippa posted:

Are the normal bins being still being collected?

Mine were yesterday.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol the bins will be collected even if hundreds of thousands are dying because that'll last in the boomer memory more than corpses that are an abstract concrpt to them

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
https://twitter.com/sophiamcoutts/status/1242730585128341504

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
It's fun hearing people at work realising that despite the government's promise of money nobody can actually get any either because companies can't be bothered to claim the money back or they're just not eligible or the big one that can't afford to pay workers just and you can't even claim yet

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Jose posted:

Lol the bins will be collected even if hundreds of thousands are dying because that'll last in the boomer memory more than corpses that are an abstract concrpt to them

*the pavement is lined with bin bags, overflowing wheelie bins, and rotting bodies*

"I can't believe they haven't come and collected the bins for a whole fortnight"

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
https://twitter.com/ConnerHabib/status/1242439638989537280


Sad Panda posted:

Mine were yesterday.


e - cheers.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

"Pay your st
aff"

I have to ask:

ShaneMacGowansTeet
h, did you do this?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jose posted:

Lol the bins will be collected even if hundreds of thousands are dying because that'll last in the boomer memory more than corpses that are an abstract concrpt to them
Maybe they could combine the two, there'd be historical precedent.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

No no no. The comparison is between 2^n and 2^(n+1) (or whatever) not 2^n and 3^n. The latter would involve the virus producing 50% more every reproduction event, just having more to start with won't do that.
I wasn't going for a straight "this is what happens if you have 2 of virus vs. 3 of virus", just trying to illustrate "imagine you have something that's something of a lovely replicator, each reproduction produces a bunch of itself but half of them don't work, now compare starting with a small number from being near one person to starting with a fuckton and keeping exposing yourself, like in the Birmingham church cases".

Nobody yet knows how lovely a replicator SARS-CoV-2 is though.

:gritin:

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Day two of lockdown.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

I can't help but reflexively scoff every time I remember there's a Telegraph columnist whose surname is "money"

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Guavanaut posted:

Dom Cum pushing to get sluggish schizophrenia as a diagnosis for anyone who doubts the official story of how well the government is managing the pandemic. :catstare:

I bet they'll still keep the two doctor requirement to terminate a pregnancy though. Maybe even increase it.
Called it. loving shitbags.

quote:

Yesterday in the House of Commons, the Health Secretary Matt Hancock MP stated that there are no proposals to amend the abortion regulations to enable telemedicine for early abortion, as recommended by experts to ensure women can safely access services – despite the fact his Department had issued guidance the previous day, and then retracted it.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Wachter posted:

I can't help but reflexively scoff every time I remember there's a Telegraph columnist whose surname is "money"

And the other one is a bank.

Because her ancestor founded it.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Guavanaut posted:

Called it. loving shitbags.

And yet we still lag behind America, where the FDA just granted a pharma company "rare disease status" on the antiviral drug remsedavir (sp?), which is being talked about as a possible defence against COVID-19, so they can retain exclusive patent over it rather than have a cheaper generic version become available.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Keep the booze flowing. :britain:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/25/off-licences-added-to-essential-businesses-list-by-uk-government-covid-19

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Wachter posted:

I can't help but reflexively scoff every time I remember there's a Telegraph columnist whose surname is "money"

Money-Coutts isn't it? As in, money, and literally the family that runs the bank the queen uses.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



I desperately need to do a shopping run

jackhunter64
Aug 28, 2008

Keep it up son, take a look at what you could have won


XMNN posted:

it's sort of funny in retrospect that there were all those cold war bunkers and continuity of government plans and everything was going to be nice and orderly after the bombs dropped, when the government is actually so ineffectual that it can't adequately respond to a crisis when it had a couple of months advance warning and it isn't drifting gently upwards in a plume of radioactive ash and smoke

Thinking of the bit in Threads just after the bomb drops and all the council bods are immediately entombed in the bunker and all the phones spontaneously explode, except they've all been able to see the bomb falling in slow motion for the last two months

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I have to ask:

ShaneMacGowansTeet
h, did you do this?

as if I would ever willingly step foot in the shithole that is South London

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

Ratjaculation posted:

I desperately need to do a shopping run

If you shop and run separately you get to leave the house twice today.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Galaxy O'Brain seems to be getting clued in to the fact that Tories are proto fascists who will sacrifice the lives of the proletariat to keep the STONK NUMBER going up, and it's taking every ounce of self-control I have not to just reply to every tweet with "should have endorsed Labour then you short sighted prick!"

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Azza Bamboo posted:

Day two of lockdown.

[geordie accent] It's Day Two in the Big Brother country, let's see how the citizens are getting on with the new rules *picture of columbia road flower market full of people*

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
Brown bins aren't being collected any more, slippery slope let me tell you (that is NOT meant as an anti-Chinese slur)

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jedit posted:

And yet we still lag behind America, where the FDA just granted a pharma company "rare disease status" on the antiviral drug remsedavir (sp?), which is being talked about as a possible defence against COVID-19, so they can retain exclusive patent over it rather than have a cheaper generic version become available.
We will always continue to lag behind America on pharma and birth control even as both spiral into the shitter.

The worst part is that the departmental guidelines aren't even talking about surgical abortions, they're talking about medical early termination for the first 12 weeks. That's a case of "check if person is actually pregnant, ask about underlying conditions and other medication, prescribe mifepristone and misoprostol." There is no way you need two doctors to approve that. A pharmacist could do that. A registered nurse could do it. The only reason it continues to be the case is that the Tories are perpetually terrified of offending their base of grey haired ghouls and Blair was a crypto-Catholic.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Jose posted:

It's fun hearing people at work realising that despite the government's promise of money nobody can actually get any either because companies can't be bothered to claim the money back or they're just not eligible or the big one that can't afford to pay workers just and you can't even claim yet

We would have far more use for "there's not as much to do, go to 50% time and the gov will pay the other 50%", but the 80% thing is all or nothing.

And I feel very bad that my wife and I were able to say goodbye to our cat, in person, in a calm and controlled way, while humans are going to die alone :(

(As my first in-person cat euthanasia, for my first "own" cat as opposed to family, it's just made me more pro assisted dying for humans. Thank jebus my parents live in a country where it's legal, should they ever need it)

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

XMNN posted:

it's sort of funny in retrospect that there were all those cold war bunkers and continuity of government plans and everything was going to be nice and orderly after the bombs dropped, when the government is actually so ineffectual that it can't adequately respond to a crisis when it had a couple of months advance warning and it isn't drifting gently upwards in a plume of radioactive ash and smoke

CoG plans were only ever makework for the more neurotic class of civil servant, even the most "limited" war would have put us back to medieval levels of population and technology no matter how much planning we did and the people at the top knew and accepted that. There's even an interpretation of the lack of stockpiling of things like Iodine that they didn't *want* survivors, or at least want people to survive any longer than they would have, because injured people need more resources than uninjured ones and we were basically going to have to get every single calorie by hand.

I have to wonder if this kind of fatalistic approach rubbed off on the civil servants having to make plans for other contingencies, or if it's just ordinary denial and incompetence.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
lol

Plague Inc's new game mode lets you save the world instead of infecting it after Apple Store ban

https://www.standard.co.uk/tech/gaming/plague-inc-pandemic-save-the-world-infection-apple-store-ban-a4395786.html

quote:

In a blog post, the game's developer, Ndemic Creations said it decided to introduce this mode based on feedback from the World Health Organisation and the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations.

Oodles
Oct 31, 2005

Marmaduke! posted:

Brown bins aren't being collected any more, slippery slope let me tell you (that is NOT meant as an anti-Chinese slur)

Mine was collected the day before the ban thankfully. I’d planned on getting my garden sorted in lockdown, that’s gone out the window.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Oodles posted:

Mine was collected the day before the ban thankfully. I’d planned on getting my garden sorted in lockdown, that’s gone out the window.

You are allowed to burn garden waste (at least in London) once in spring and once in autumn. Alternatively might be time to start making that compost heap...

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
Keep the garden waste. You can attempt a funeral pyre when the morgues are full.

It won't work so expect it to become official government policy.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Tory advice on relationships: just makes your choice and stick with it.

Boris: er....

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Private Speech posted:

And the other one is a bank.

Because her ancestor founded it.

OwlFancier posted:

Money-Coutts isn't it? As in, money, and literally the family that runs the bank the queen uses.

This explains the hard-hitting, street-level investigative journalism the Telegraph is famous for

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Oodles posted:

I’d planned on getting my garden sorted in lockdown, that’s gone out the window.
It's a box? :dadjoke:

goddamnedtwisto posted:

CoG plans were only ever makework for the more neurotic class of civil servant, even the most "limited" war would have put us back to medieval levels of population and technology no matter how much planning we did and the people at the top knew and accepted that. There's even an interpretation of the lack of stockpiling of things like Iodine that they didn't *want* survivors, or at least want people to survive any longer than they would have, because injured people need more resources than uninjured ones and we were basically going to have to get every single calorie by hand.

I have to wonder if this kind of fatalistic approach rubbed off on the civil servants having to make plans for other contingencies, or if it's just ordinary denial and incompetence.
There was at least one GP proposing stockpiling sodium cyanide as part of nuclear war preparedness, which is at least honest.

Also led to an academic debate that resulted in this 5/10 no ring etc.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

lol

Plague Inc's new game mode lets you save the world instead of infecting it after Apple Store ban

https://www.standard.co.uk/tech/gaming/plague-inc-pandemic-save-the-world-infection-apple-store-ban-a4395786.html

This is like a post-9/11 brain dead stupid thing, I love it. Feels retro.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Coohoolin posted:

"should have endorsed Labour then you short sighted prick!"

:ironicat:

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




just looked out my window to see a guy on the street doubled over coughing blood onto the pavement

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
The big killer in nuclear war for the UK isn't the blast or the radiation. It's the lack of global infrastructure causing a famine.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Necrothatcher posted:

just looked out my window to see a guy on the street doubled over coughing blood onto the pavement

I hope 999 heard about it before we did

e: sorry that's very cynical of me

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Ms Adequate posted:

Even more wild is that most of these contingency discussions could be knocked out in more or less an afternoon, you call a Cabinet meeting and get the relevant civil service bods and specialists in to brief, then you figure out at least the outlines of the backup plan, then you can probably break and be back at Chequers in time for tea. The PM/Cabinet doesn't need to go line-by-line through every employment category in the world, you set out the general objectives and have your Permanent Undersecretaries and so on hash out the details, review the next day. That's the whole point of having a theoretically extremely professional civil service staffed with experienced and qualified career bureaucrats. You don't even have to do most of the work yourself, just set the parameters and have the underlings sort it out.

Of course, we are governed by such a credulous, incurious, malign, stupid shower of absolute weapons that as you say it never even occurred to them that they might, perhaps, need a Plan B. After all, everything else in their lives has fallen their way, why wouldn't a global pandemic?

I can imagine them all sitting in some 'war room' and more bothered about catering than actually getting anything done. Sweaty civil servants running through hallways with spreadsheets badly printed out as various ministers just sort of sit with blank looks on their faces wondering about how this might look bad for their department rather than any solution. Matt Hancock looking like a college intern asked to give a presentation to middle management about something so far beyond his comprehension he is the avatar of imposter syndrome. Priti Patel constantly smirking through a presentation about re-infection rates through mass graves. A juddering video conference call from Italy where people keep talking over each other. Wasting time.

All of the planning behind all this will be incredibly mundane, like a corporate away day where they have to LARP a pandemic response but nobody can be bothered and feels entirely out of their depth. They'll have spent just as much time joking about social distancing and coming up with jargon then they will actually planning anything - I'm guessing.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I hope 999 heard about it before we did

e: sorry that's very cynical of me

I'm on the fourth floor and he's left now. Should I seriously call 999 and tell them there's a man in a yellow hat in my area coughing up blood?

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If not 999 then maybe the non emergency number I guess? Seems like cause for concern?

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