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Feels Villeneuve posted:(in fairness that was a very poorly/dated phrased way to say "don't use racial caricatures in your story" which is frequently republished without the context) Methinks Knox was bitten once too many times by the works of and those inspired by Sax Rohmer.
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I agree Kim's a great character specifically because he has a type (no nonsense, serious cop who is the straight man to your goofiness) but he breaks that occasionally because he's, well, human. The times he indulges some of your nonsense, or lets you try something weird just to see where it goes, or even gets into it himself to go along with all the other times when he's there to clear his throat and give you a "c'mon don't embarrass me" look. It's good. He's good. Game's good.
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Mar 22, 2020 17:54
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When you poke the default radio stations in Kim's car is the moment I went "Yes, I will like Kim." but it's moments when he can show humour and disapproval at the same time that I really felt close.
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Mar 22, 2020 18:16
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Glagha posted:I agree Kim's a great character specifically because he has a type (no nonsense, serious cop who is the straight man to your goofiness) but he breaks that occasionally because he's, well, human. The times he indulges some of your nonsense, or lets you try something weird just to see where it goes, or even gets into it himself to go along with all the other times when he's there to clear his throat and give you a "c'mon don't embarrass me" look. It's good. He's good. Game's good. The same things that make Kim endearing to us -- his patience, his humor, his curiosity & care toward others, and gentility while holding others accountable for their actions -- are the same things that make him a good police officer.
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Mar 22, 2020 18:56
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With the latest patch in place, is there a way to edit your inventory? Also, are the Jamrock Shuffle \ Torque Dork thoughts (not the achievement) finally available?
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Mar 23, 2020 02:40
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Ok wait how did I only just now notice each family of skills has its own unique sound for passive checks?
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Mar 23, 2020 06:21
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Xander77 posted:With the latest patch in place, is there a way to edit your inventory? I don't know about Jamrock Shuffle, but I got the Torque Dork thought in a play through I did in February.
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Mar 23, 2020 08:14
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Just finished day 2 of my first playthrough. So far I've been going for a mix of good and sorry cop. I think I solved the curse of that business building? And got some dice out it? Anywho, this game cracks me the gently caress up; even in the midst of some dark discussion there have been some belly laughs.
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Mar 23, 2020 08:59
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The Gluten-Free Pie achievement was changed to "now you're cutting out carbs" (used to be "cutting out cards"). How do you make so many spelling errors that some sneak into your achievement descriptions?
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Mar 24, 2020 14:53
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Did come up before, but the general gist of the rule is usually taken as 'don't have a scary minority du jour as the obvious culprit or a blatant red herring'. Not sure if you could consider any characters as an obvious culprit via prejudice, though there is a bit I dismissed where the protagonist is tempted to pin the whole thing on a drunken vagrant. That said, it's a different take given the idea is to avoid the topic of prejudice altogether to not abuse the audience's presumed bigotries, while Disco Elysium instead takes the topic fairly head-on, including how absurd racism looks when it's thrown back in your face without any real authority behind it.
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Mar 24, 2020 15:00
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Did come up before, but the general gist of the rule is usually taken as 'don't have a scary minority du jour as the obvious culprit or a blatant red herring'. Not sure if you could consider any characters as an obvious culprit via prejudice, though there is a bit I dismissed where the protagonist is tempted to pin the whole thing on a drunken vagrant. yeah, I think the "chinaman" thing was because that was a very specific stock character which was in vogue in trash fiction at the time.
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Mar 24, 2020 16:50
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Xander77 posted:The Gluten-Free Pie achievement was changed to "now you're cutting out carbs" (used to be "cutting out cards"). How do you make so many spelling errors that some sneak into your achievement descriptions? by being eastern european with a small budget and having to count on their own knowledge of the english language? they probably only got money for a native proofreader now, come on
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Mar 24, 2020 18:43
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also the game contains a shitload of text
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Mar 24, 2020 19:13
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah, I think the "chinaman" thing was because that was a very specific stock character which was in vogue in trash fiction at the time.
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Mar 24, 2020 20:23
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I beat the game as a sensitive and physical guy, getting a bad outcome at the tribunal due to not having a weapon. I resolved most everything else to my liking, except now I’m ashamed at narcing out the ravers, which I did because I didn’t know that both they and Soona could share the church and mutually benefit. I want to go back, but I wonder what else I could do. Some of the big changes would be things like not finding things like bagging the body without finding the bullet that probably wouldn’t be satisfying to do? One big thing I want to do differently is that I ended up exploring much of the shore area on my own without Kim after bagging the body. Finding your car without him actually felt kind of right, but finding it with him would be cool too. So what fun things does Inland Empire suggest that turn out to be half-true? Off the top of my head: Lely was having fun when he died, but not because of asphyxiation. The secrets you’re promised for looking into Lely’s mouth turns out to be the bullet that killed him, not some dark existential thing. It would be a bad idea to set a creature like Cunoesse “free to wander the cosmos,” because you’re shooting a kid what’s wrong with you of course you’re getting a game over. Edit: spoilered the wrong thing Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Mar 25, 2020 |
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Mar 25, 2020 00:23
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Finding the car *with* Kim is great, you should do it or just Youtube it. It's just got a touching little cutscene and most people, including myself seemed to enjoy that bit a lot. I also did most of the stuff in that area without Kim, but I managed to do that and sort of just meet a few people before I went back for some reason, probably to get that body down. I feel like I know most of the major differences in outcomes, but I didn't ever find out what happens if you steal the boots off the corpse, does Kim just not acknowledge that you're wearing the dead guy's high-tech, expensive armored boots?
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Mar 25, 2020 12:43
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Imhotep posted:I didn't ever find out what happens if you steal the boots off the corpse, does Kim just not acknowledge that you're wearing the dead guy's high-tech, expensive armored boots? You can tell Kim you're wearing the boots and he says "Yes, I see that." 
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Mar 25, 2020 13:01
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Dr Christmas posted:I beat the game as a sensitive and physical guy, getting a bad outcome at the tribunal due to not having a weapon. If you were playing as a sensitive and physical guy, it sounds like you missed out on the necktie mini-quest.
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Mar 25, 2020 13:15
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Hwurmp posted:You can tell Kim you're wearing the boots and he says "Yes, I see that." It's wild he is willing to put up with grand larceny and tampering with evidence like that. I guess the cops must really be rotten if he decided it's still worth working with you rather than reporting it
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Mar 25, 2020 13:32
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Hogama posted:As much flak as they've gotten since pretty much the day they were printed, the "commandments" were by and large reactions to things Knox had read in contemporary books. The full context of the rules (there's commentary provided after each one) just speak a bit more to "be thoughtful in your writing and at least have a good reason to use these devices," though of course they also are the shape of his preferred kind of mystery-as-solvable-puzzle. this is the full list btw, which is a fun read and provides the context for the rules http://gadetection.pbworks.com/w/page/7931441/Ronald%20Knox%27s%20Ten%20Commandments%20for%20Detective%20Fiction and while these rules are about "golden age" detective fiction which were a completely different writing style to modern fiction, and this game, I did like this part: quote:The true essence of a detective story - I am thinking for the moment of those which occupy a whole volume; we will come to the short story later on - is that in it the action takes place before the story begins. [...] The real action of the book is now over; incidents may still occur, but the horror and violence are already at an end before the great detective appears on the scene. e) incidentally, for more modern works, these aren't "rules", more like tropes, but I really like this page, and some of the listed books in the database are great. http://www.postmodernmystery.com/index.html Particularly relevant to DE: quote:5. Not Much Crime, But Plenty of Clues: Why worry Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Mar 25, 2020 |
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Mar 25, 2020 14:47
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Feels Villeneuve posted:this is the full list btw, which is a fun read and provides the context for the rules I might have to do some book browsing now. 
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Mar 25, 2020 16:03
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Mr. Lobe posted:It's wild he is willing to put up with grand larceny and tampering with evidence like that. The boots aren’t really that important evidence wise since you can find other armor parts. It’s on the level of, say, taking someone’s sweet rims.
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Mar 25, 2020 16:12
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I made sure that sending Kim away was the very last thing I did that day so I didn't miss anything with him, crazy you people did it any other way.
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Mar 25, 2020 16:31
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Feels Villeneuve posted:this is the full list btw, which is a fun read and provides the context for the rules
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Mar 25, 2020 17:27
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Mr. Lobe posted:It's wild he is willing to put up with grand larceny and tampering with evidence like that. IIRC Espirit de Corps says that if anyone asks he’s ratting you out
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Mar 25, 2020 22:12
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Wafflecopper posted:IIRC Espirit de Corps says that if anyone asks he’s ratting you out This is correct, Kim says something to you and Espirit basically translates it as "yeah I'm not covering if anyone asks". I don't blame him lol, how do you explain that.
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Mar 25, 2020 23:48
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i mean... they're really good boots
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Mar 26, 2020 05:42
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Kim's tolerance has great limits because the RCM is a volunteer force, they have no budget, no backup, and you're both in hostile territory. If he ditches you or turns you in he can't do his job which is to finish the investigation.
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Mar 26, 2020 07:11
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Zero VGS posted:This is correct, Kim says something to you and Espirit basically translates it as "yeah I'm not covering if anyone asks". I don't blame him lol, how do you explain that. If you lift the boots when he's not around, does he comment on you wearing them later?
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Mar 26, 2020 07:25
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Mr. Dick posted:If you lift the boots when he's not around, does he comment on you wearing them later? only if you literally point out to him that you are wearing the dead man’s boots which he very specifically told you not to steal he says “yes, you must have had a difficult time getting them off” and then pointedly never speaks of it again
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Mar 26, 2020 07:28
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I like that you can earn honor points for saying you'd never take the boots, immediately go back on your word by refreshing the same dialogue tree and choosing otherwise, loot the boots, and then say, as you're cleaning them, you're doing it to defend yourself. Which... yeah, true, but really I just wanted the boots and their stat changes.
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Mar 26, 2020 07:35
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Meeting your posse with a full set of armor.
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Mar 26, 2020 08:13
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itry posted:Meeting your posse with a full set of armor. That's what I did.
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Hey, after the latest patch I'm noticing that descriptions of thoughts in the Thought Cabinet are getting cut off due to a change in the font size or what-have-you. Is there any way to fix this?
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Mar 27, 2020 02:51
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Wafflecopper posted:IIRC Espirit de Corps says that if anyone asks he’s ratting you out 
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Mar 27, 2020 04:20
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The whole lead up to that is great too; pretending to go to bed, ditching Kim, sneaking into the basement, yanking off the boots, washing them in the kitchen sink in the middle of the night only to strut out the next morning all proud at your little heist. It's a great little sequence.
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Mar 27, 2020 04:25
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Arist posted:Hey, after the latest patch I'm noticing that descriptions of thoughts in the Thought Cabinet are getting cut off due to a change in the font size or what-have-you. Is there any way to fix this? I just bought this in the Steam sale and I kept thinking there was some way to scroll through the text that I was missing.
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Okay, now I ran into a weird-rear end glitch: I gave the drunks in the fishing village Evrart's letter to sign by accident when I actually wanted to forge it myself, so I tried to reload, but couldn't open the Esc menu, so I used Task Manager to exit the game. When I started the game back up, I was in some debug menu: And now I automatically start in it whenever I boot the game. What the gently caress????
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Mar 27, 2020 16:18
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Woah, interesting that the dream area is right below the portion of the map in an inaccessible area. Have you tried clicking on any of those options? Like Halo test scene, etc
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Imhotep posted:Woah, interesting that the dream area is right below the portion of the map in an inaccessible area. Have you tried clicking on any of those options? Like Halo test scene, etc "Block-In Playground," "Halo Test Scene," "Sense of Scale," "Grayroom," "Bright Room," and "Room of Motion" don't respond when I click them. I'm going to assume they removed whatever those would send me to. Clicking on "Dream 3-INT" sends me to a dream scene I've never seen before, on the islet, speaking with Dolores Dei, though maybe that's in the game somewhere and I missed it somehow? (e: Oh, it's for when you sleep in the flak tower? I thought I did that, maybe there's some other requirement) The most interesting thing I found is that clicking on the second dream sequence puts Kim there with you, but he obviously has no lines in the scene. Arist fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Mar 27, 2020 |
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