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Hadlock posted:There is a new, substantial study, saying that N95 masks can be stelilized of the virus by cooking @ 160F for 30 min Hospitals aren't set up to arrange that even if it works. No saying it won't come to that, an anesthetist was wearing a plastic bag yesterday. Only weeks since we all laughed at the Chinese wearing bottles on their heads. Cooking the mask surely must cause them to break down though? again, it might end up being better than nothing
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Hadlock posted:There is a new, substantial study, saying that N95 masks can be stelilized of the virus by cooking @ 160F for 30 min When I was a RN in the hospital, they didn't stock too many N95 masks because you almost never needed them. For this, nobody prepared properly and by the time they did, there weren't enough to go around as prices shot up. My US Rep gave a call last night for healthcare workers and nobody has appropriate PPE. She was pretty adamant that the US/trump admin/CDC/etc hosed up big time and didn't prepare well.
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OMFG FURRY posted:you are better off going to a piercing studio that has a proper autoclave to do that but uhhh theres a reason hospitals aren't doing this, its a pretty big last measure when there aren't any other options and getting new masks cuts down on the human factor of someone screwing up a sterilization and giving everyone 'hot' masks. I think the problem is that autoclaves can't be set to 160F and the ultra fine microfiber starts to break down north of 170F Isopropyl alcohol and water reduce effectiveness and change the charge of the filter which reduces filtration effectiveness I would rather wear a baked N95 than a surgical mask, but that's just me. I have 20 N95 and no surgical masks, and an oven that goes to 160F edit: holy gently caress, prince charles really did test positive for coronavirus, rip
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Someone needs to mock up a Charles-Roni-2020 commemorative plate I hear that the Mexican president call covid "a fad disease". loving lol. Yes, it's the hula hoop of deadly plagues YerDa Zabam fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Mar 25, 2020 |
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I've been eating kale because they've had beautiful kale at the farm stand near me and it has the unexpected benefit of allowing me to test that my sense of smell is working first thing in the morning every morning and throughout the day. So far: no virus
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I need some advice goons. I am the shipping dept. at work. We're a pretty small branch of a company that fixes stuff in restaurant/hotel/hosiptal/school kitchens, got a few branches in a couple of states. We're essential so we're not closing. Business has slowed down so hard they've furloughed a few people and we're running on a reduced staff. I am part of the team that's staying around. My wife is relieved that I'm still working, but I'm loving terrified. I'm in a red state and the gov. is dragging his feet on any kind of meaningful shutdown. We had our first case less than 3 weeks ago and we're over 100 now. Starting to see big daily spikes from that exponential growth. I'm expecting it to really blow up over the next couple of weeks. The people I work with are still going out to dr appointments, going out for smoke breaks together, and overall they are older, conservative people who were poking fun me for spraying down all my incoming shipments with Lysol back on the 19th. Personally I do not feel the least bit essential. I've been getting less than 10 shipments a day (forecast for today is, literally, 3 boxes) and almost no businesses will let our techs in to do work anyway. I know I should work as long as possible but I'm having an increasingly hard time justifying putting myself and my wife at risk so I can open 3-5 boxes a day, for parts that are going to sit on the shelf because 90% of our business is gone right now. I am in a position where I could take almost a month off with full pay. I have had a sore throat for about 5 days now and it doesn't seem to be progressing but I am strongly considering quarantining myself anyway. I think the odds of one of our staff getting sick and having the whole place shut down are pretty strong and I would rather bounce before that happens. I feel pretty bad as this is a good job with good people running it and I'm absurdly lucky to have this company at my back considering the other places I could work for. Even if I round up to 'cold symptoms' which would probably spook the manager enough to approve it, it does feel dishonest. But like I said I am terrified. I am teetering on the edge of a panic attack basically any moment I'm not at home with my wife and cat. So goons, what would you do? What should I do?
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Adolf Glitter posted:Hospitals aren't set up to arrange that even if it works. There are presicion laboratory ovens with large capacities (like 200 to 1000 litre) that can maintain required temperatures with good accuracy we used for soil testing. I think they can serve with minimal setup (only thing you need is three phase plugs, you can have a fuel generator and use a three phase extension cable) and hopefully not burn the masks granted that heating them up works.
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As someone else said: you can always get another job; you can't get a new pair of lungs.
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pixaal posted:When the bodies get bad you will be staying home because the national guard will be throwing us into mass graves. Yeah, probably. An update: starting this Saturday, there will be no tent setups and no gatherings, only dropping bodies in.
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Pistol_Pete posted:As someone else said: you can always get another job; you can't get a new pair of lungs. Alternatively, stay more than 6 feet away from your idiot coworkers and keep your job? Sounds like you’re already cleaning your work area properly. You do you, but if it meant keeping or losing my job/healthcare and I had it set up where I could still do that safely by appropriately social distancing, why wouldn’t I? E: if your work environment is as you say and you’re able to stay away from the idiots you work with, you’ll likely be more exposed to people/the virus by going to the grocery store. Will you stop doing that as well? Cacafuego fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Mar 25, 2020 |
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No because getting food happens in both scenarios. Otoh working with boomers who think the pandemic is fake news will 100% get you infected e: that's pretty much settled then unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Mar 25, 2020 |
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Cacafuego posted:Alternatively, stay more than 6 feet away from your idiot coworkers and keep your job? Sounds like you’re already cleaning your work area properly. I wouldn't lose my job and I have stocked up to the point that yes I will stop going to the grocery store, at least for a couple of weeks, and I had been doing in-car pick up at the walmart prior to this. Addtl info is that my direct supervisor has been out for over 2 weeks already & is still waiting to hear the results of the covid-19 test he took last week. Says he's recovering though. e: like Im not going to the grocery store for a few weeks either way
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purple death ray posted:I wouldn't lose my job and I have stocked up to the point that yes I will stop going to the grocery store, at least for a couple of weeks, and I had been doing in-car pick up at the walmart prior to this. In that case, stay home
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You know it's going to be bad when some of the Waffle Houses have to close down.
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purple death ray posted:Addtl info Put it this way, if you take sick leave (which means someone else at the workplace has to open 3 extra boxes per day in your stead) and no one gets sick and it all blows over then the worst thing that happens is that you look a little bit silly If you don't take sick leave and you keep turning up to that workplace where no one takes the pandemic seriously then the worst thing that could happen is you and your wife both end up in hospital on ventilators and maybe get permanent lung damage
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On the other hand if you adjust for the cost of goggles, masks and purell you could just poo poo post all day at work AND be protected
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those halcyon days when just stairs were enough
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They are taking it more seriously at least than the last few weeks but I think the point has been made. I will have a chat with my branch manager. Thanks goons.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:You know it's going to be bad when some of the Waffle Houses have to close down. we're all doomed
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Beachcomber posted:
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Finally the financial relief I've been waiting for.
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The hospital I work at is grossly unprepared. One of the on call biomeds got dispatched to a call last weekend in CCU. There are currently active COVID patients in that unit and the nursing staff had limited ppe, with many of them not even wearing masks at all. He brought it up to our supervisor who in turn had a meeting with the CCU head nurse this past Monday, and she no poo poo told him that, “people are blowing this out of proportion. It’s no worse than the normal flu.” I don’t want to go to work at this place. It seems like I’m the only one walking around with a mask and gloves, and all I do is work on the drat equipment.
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Hopper posted:us Germans love putting symbols on our arms ;-) 
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Rasta_Al posted:The hospital I work at is grossly unprepared. One of the on call biomeds got dispatched to a call last weekend in CCU. There are currently active COVID patients in that unit and the nursing staff had limited ppe, with many of them not even wearing masks at all. is all the deaths coming about from this fake news?
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tater_salad posted:is all the deaths coming about from this fake news? What's the R0 of facebook memes
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kittenmittons posted:gently caress, just give it out no strings attached. People need relief, I don't give a poo poo if a few trust fund shitheads get free money. I’m gonna use my Trumpbux as a down payment on a jet ski.
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tater_salad posted:is all the deaths coming about from this fake news? People don't pay attention to other countries they don't have our advanced medicine! No no we are simply the best at everything number one light years ahead their numbers are meaningless la la la I can't hear you. What about a global economy la la la
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Interesting that Republicans are actively talking about letting half their base die of swamp lung so the other half of their base doesn't lose any net worth. Yet they still have 100% right wing support. Stop the world I want to get off. Oh it did stop? I was bluffing I want to stay 
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kittenmittons posted:gently caress, just give it out no strings attached. People need relief, I don't give a poo poo if a few trust fund shitheads get free money. The strings are for the 99% going to businesses not to people, last time we gave companies a bunch of money they gave the CEOs a bonus and bought back stock then asked for more because they didn't have enough to not lay people off. The corporate part of this should 100% be a different bill and some right. Citizens do not have the luxury to wait, nor do we want the millionaires to come out of this more ahead than they were before leaving a bigger wealth gap.
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bird with big dick posted:I’m gonna use my Trumpbux as a down payment on a jet ski. I'm ordering grow lamps and weed seeds. I consider it a sound investment.
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bird with big dick posted:I’m gonna use my Trumpbux as a down payment on a jet ski. Hell yeah 
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sweet thursday posted:Interesting that Republicans are actively talking about letting half their base die of swamp lung so the other half of their base doesn't lose any net worth. Yet they still have 100% right wing support. According to new wave music, we can stop the world and melt 
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Sir Not Appearing posted:Hell yeah Sure, but you need to set aside money for cocaine and sun visors.
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Re mask chat (and Ibuprofen chat) The latest Science Vs podcast has a really interesting episode about the mask shortage as well as issues regarding cleaning and reusing. Second half covers ibuprofen. Not had a chance to listen to that bit yet.. Highly recommended podcast in general. It covers current affairs/myths/misinformation etc. Seems well researched too https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs
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purple death ray posted:They are taking it more seriously at least than the last few weeks Let me put this another way. So far in the US (up to March 24) there's been 780 deaths attributed to COVID-19. 780 deaths in a population of 327 million is a tiny tiny number and it's honestly no surprise that a lot of people are still going "it's only as bad as the flu, I don't understand why people are panicking" and not really taking the social isolation protocols that seriously. Here's the daily cumulative graph up to March 24:  That big steep curve at the end looks kind've scary but still, there's less than 1000 deaths in total over an entire month, that seems like a really low number. And if you're not familiar with exponential graphs it's be really really hard to extrapolate where it go next. Weren't we going to all this trouble of shutting down sports and businesses to flatten the graph? Won't it just start dropping off again soon? If we redraw that line on a logarithmic graph it then looks like this:  Which again, if you're not familiar with graphs that doesn't look too scary. However, if we extend out that line for a bit we get this:  ..... which tells us that if the current trend keeps going (and that logarithmic graph has been really consistent for two weeks now) the US will hit 10,000 COVID-19 deaths in roughly 9 days, and they should hit a rate of 1000 deaths per day a few days before that happens. So yeah, if you have the option of isolating yourself and your family over the next week I would strongly recommend it because things might look very very different at the start of April.
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Cacafuego posted:When I was a RN in the hospital, they didn't stock too many N95 masks because you almost never needed them. For this, nobody prepared properly and by the time they did, there weren't enough to go around as prices shot up. This is really it. Airborne is such a logistical hassle (negative pressure rooms) and so few patients are normally on airborne isolations, so a given ICU might have 1 neg pressure room for ever 10-15 conventional rooms. And hospitals/warehouses just stock a little because they've never needed it in the past. Infections that traditionally required airborne isolation precautions were tuberculosis, varicella (chicken pox), and measles--all of which are rare in US adults. So now that we have a pandemic that requires n95 masks at least some of the time, it's no surprise that we're wiped out.
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A terrifying but good post. I remember an article on how bad people are at intuiting non-linear growth. It was years ago in a business context but now feels so applicable.
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Pages and pages ago somebody posted a link for a “build your own coronavirus epidemic“ model with customizable sliders. Does anyone have that link?
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Pages and pages ago somebody posted a link for a “build your own coronavirus epidemic“ model with customizable sliders. I’ll even bounty this - no ads or an avatar (your choice - I’ll give you a $5 GC).
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