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coronavirus posted:We don't know if the lung damage is permanent yet, or how many people will have that after treatment. One of the awful but not quite dead effects of this is pulmonary fibrosis, when your body's immune system fucks up so bad that it replaces extremely specialized pulmonary tissue with simple scar tissue. Imagine replacing part of your car's engine with drywall and you get an idea of how useful scar tissue is to lung functionality. We can't reverse pulmonary fibrosis. There are some incredibly overpriced drugs that might slow its progression a little bit. About the only real thing we can offer to people with pulmonary fibrosis is to put them on the lung transplant waiting list. There weren't exactly an abundance of ready to transplant lungs before this pandemic, so I'm sure it'll be a great option afterwards.
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I've noticed this from the very beginning of the thread. A lot of you are loving retarded and need to stop giving out dangerous advice. PPE works. 100%? Of course not. But each step you take is increasing the mitigation. If you are near a person with covid-19 and you walk past them and hold your breath, that increases your mitigation process. Is it stupid and probably won't help much? Sure. But it helps. (i know that's dumb I'm making a point) If you are in a sealed room with someone with covid-19, that doesn't mean the room is 100% contaminated so you might as well not care. ANY step you take to distance yourself or put some sort of barrier between you and the virus will help and is better than nothing. Anything.
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21st Cherry boy posted:Quick question, I've been using Lysol to sanitize a small enclosed working space (leaving the windows and door open as long as I can) but it makes me woozy and the chemicals irritate my throat. I've switched to spraying everything with 70% rubbing alcohol, is that effective enough? It destroy viruses effectively but do not assume that you have sanitized a surface just because you sprayed some Lysol or rubbing alcohol around it Hyzenth1ay posted:Hey goons. Cough is not a universal symptom, and it can certainly develop later. Assume you have it. In fact, even if someone doesn't have symptoms they should assume they have it, since they could be asymptomatic. Don't panic, just try to deal with the symptoms and take care of yourself as much as you can, and if you can don't go anywhere (again, everyone should stop going places already). tractor fanatic posted:They note that even though people have been reinfected, they don't display symptoms. That's definitely not always true; multiple documented cases in several Asian countries got re-tested because they were experiencing symptoms, but the second round was less severe. Other people in Asia who have re-tested positive did not display symptoms. The test referred to in the tweet was an extremely small study (6 people out of 9 got reinfected and then displayed no symptoms). Play posted:Am I supposed to take your word for this? Trump not wanting the numbers to go up by keeping the cruise ship out actually indicates that he DOESN'T have the power to alter the numbers. The US has a free press and a free scientific community that is not entirely beholden to any one person's or any one organization's interests. That isn't the case in China, where literally everything belongs to the government and they have final say over any and all news and any and all numbers coming out of the country. Play your commitment to misreading posts continues to astound and astonish. I know you're only half-aware of modern events at the best of time but come on, stop posting misinformed poo poo like this. You're as bad as the posters who pop in here with a log chart while saying "the growth rate isn't even exponential!" Everything that Kharmakazy posted is really easy to verify; the CDC mandated arbitrarily strict requirements on who could be tested, including an international exposure requirement that was still in place weeks after documented community spread throughout the country, and the CDC literally ordered research labs to stop testing people because they were using their own kits instead of the tightly-rationed CDC ones. Talk all you want about how free US organizations are, but the US response wasn't just bungled due to incompetence; there was a deliberate effort to restrict the rate of testing early on there's been a veritable conga line of talking heads merrily downplaying the severity of all of this from the very beginning, literally discouraging people from practicing social distancing or seeking testing.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Then why do hospitals, nurses, EMTs, doctors, etc use them? He's not really wrong though. Intact skin is an excellent barrier against most stuff. Healthcare workers need it because you don't know when some old gently caress is going to cough in your face or wipe their dirty rear end hand on your scrubs and you don't notice it. And every surface in a hospital with suspected covid is treated as contaminated, so you have to protect against whatever incidental contact you may have. For the average person self quarantining, only going out sparingly, gloves won't really protect any more than just avoiding touching your face until you have a chance to wash your hands. And as he said, removing gloves is almost 100% going to contaminate some of your skin, necessitating hand washing anyway.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Then why do hospitals, nurses, EMTs, doctors, etc use them? medical professionals change gloves when interacting with a new patient, they don't just wander around all day wearing the same pair of gloves. random people do do that. Stupid glove behavior ive witnessed or heard about untrained people doing - -wearing a pair of gloves at work and then wearing those gloves to drive home. -putting a glove in a purse and taking it out (and back in) whenever opening a door. -having a shared glove to get chips out of a shared bag with (my mom, sigh) from what ive seen in the current situation and my previous work experience (QA in a meat factory), gloves trigger a psychological mechanism that makes people feel like sanitation is happening because a glove is involved, without actually considering the mechanics of sanitation and pathogen transmission. I think this is harmful because it keeps people from following actual sanitation procedures. Like maybe it seems obvious to you that 'if i touch an infected surface with my glove, the glove is now infected', but I assure you that is not obvious to a lot of people who are just desperate for a way to feel like they can interact with the world safely. i wish more sanitizer was available because I think it's easier for people to recognize when their sanitized hands become unsanitary than when their sterile gloves become unsterile.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I've noticed this from the very beginning of the thread. A lot of you are loving retarded and need to stop giving out dangerous advice. Are you that poster who keeps getting confused by people urgently suggesting that n95 masks be donated to medical providers? Because no one is suggesting that a mask is completely ineffective, nor has that been done since the beginning of the thread; the point has always been that laymen who aren't trained in their use making weekly runs to the grocery store would be just as well-protected by a simple surgical mask or even just a piece of tissue paper wrapped over their nose and mouth and they should give the serious PPE to the medical professionals who need them right now. And I know that this has been re-explained over and over but maybe this time it will stick? Note how bird with big dick, despite being kind of an idiot generally, is not giving inaccurate advice here: if you're not using gloves correctly, such as by touching bunch of public surfaces and then picking your nose, then you're not really reducing your exposure. They're not saying that gloves are completely ineffective at all.
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My favorite is the people who wear the same pair of gloves for everything — to a store, then when they drive their car, then when they go into their home. And when they’re touching their phones. e:fb
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:He's not really wrong though. Intact skin is an excellent barrier against most stuff. Healthcare workers need it because you don't know when some old gently caress is going to cough in your face or wipe their dirty rear end hand on your scrubs and you don't notice it. And every surface in a hospital with suspected covid is treated as contaminated, so you have to protect against whatever incidental contact you may have. This seems like an excellent reason to wear gloves for anyone under a worldwide quarantine.
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QuarkJets posted:Are you that poster who keeps getting confused by people urgently suggesting that n95 masks be donated to medical providers? Because no one is suggesting that a mask is completely ineffective, nor has that been done since the beginning of the thread; the point has always been that laymen who aren't trained in their use making weekly runs to the grocery store would be just as well-protected by a simple surgical mask or even just a piece of tissue paper wrapped over their nose and mouth and they should give the serious PPE to the medical professionals who need them right now. And I know that this has been re-explained over and over but maybe this time it will stick? I'm not that person so don't give me your poo poo. And a ton of people in here are 100% black and white. If you aren't in a tyvek suit with SCBA gear then you'll get the virus.
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coronavirus posted:We don't know if the lung damage is permanent yet, or how many people will have that after treatment. Yeah the South Korea thing seems ideal. We don't really have any trained healthcare workers to spare, but I imagine nearly anyone could be trained to be a public temperature scanner person. Giving displaced hospitality workers jobs as temperature takers would be easier for the bootstraps fans to swallow than just giving them money. People have put up with the TSA for nearly 20 years now, TSA-But-For-Fevers could be the hot new government agency.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I'm not that person so don't give me your poo poo. Okay well you're posting the same stupid things that that other poster posts, so go with god I guess but if you want to talk about thread trends then how about you actually quote some of those posts. Even just one of them. Because the one you quoted wasn't doing any of this poo poo
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Pennywise the Frown posted:
It's way easier assuming they are, though. Trust me, I'm an idiot, I see my people everywhere.
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bird with big dick posted:These seem like the dumbest PPE for this imo. You get corona on the outside of them it’s probably gonna get on your skin while you’re taking them off or has already gotten on your face or in your urethra anyway. I have 200 nitrile gloves because I use them for handling Carolina reapers making hot sauce and I don’t see much use for them. If you touch a grocery cart or gas pump or ATM or strangers penis just don’t touch your mouth until you wash your hands the gloves don’t really help. Like masks they can help you remember not to touch your face. Though so can smearing your face with a thick layer of vaseline and nobody is that.
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QuarkJets posted:Okay well you're posting the same stupid things that that other poster posts, so go with god I guess but if you want to talk about thread trends then how about you actually quote some of those posts. Even just one of them. Because the one you quoted wasn't doing any of this poo poo Go read the first 250 pages of this thread and count how many times people said that any PPE is dumb.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:It's way easier assuming they are, though. Eh, that's fair.
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The Real Miami by Udonis Haslem Good article written by former NBA player Udonis Haslem about the idiot spring breakers in Florida and what the impacts of Covid-19 are going to have on poor communities like the one he grew up in, Liberty City, 7 or 8 miles from Miami Beach. Children that aren't going to get breakfast and lunch because they only got that at school. Children that are going to be at home all day with abusive parents. His conclusion: quote:F*** your spring break. All of those kids on spring break had to get home, whether that was by plane or car. They had to stop for gas, food, a stay at a hotel in Shitass, Arkansas on their way back to Shitass, Missouri in their caravan of 16 people.
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Zugzwang posted:This five-year-old TED Talk from Dr. Microsoft is pretty prescient: I really want to know what he’d say about the risk posed by nuclear weapons today.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I was able to buy toilet paper today, so feel like I have achieved a minor and totally idiotic victory. I do logistics in the paper and packaging industry and can attest that we have been balls to the wall for weeks now.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I was able to buy toilet paper today, so feel like I have achieved a minor and totally idiotic victory. I was at Costco today and it was empty. They had TONS of bottled water and a sad little half empty pallet of TP. 
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Go read the first 250 pages of this thread and count how many times people said that any PPE is dumb. I have been reading this thread since page 1 and have seen posts saying that people are using ppe ineffectively, and that scratching your nose while wearing an n95 eliminates most of its effectiveness, and that wearing a big water jug over your head probably doesn't work. But not that PPE is worthless Are you SURE you're not that easily confused dumbfuck poster I mentioned
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QuarkJets posted:Are you SURE you're not that easily confused dumbfuck poster I mentioned 100%
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QuarkJets posted:I have been reading this thread since page 1 and have seen posts saying that people are using ppe ineffectively, and that scratching your nose while wearing an n95 eliminates most of its effectiveness, and that wearing a big water jug over your head probably doesn't work. But not that PPE is worthless Drop it now you two
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I have spent a lot of TIME in this thread you coward. You fool. Ignorant Swine. Come duel me. Dawn. Weapon? Coronavirus. Best Lungs Win.
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bird with big dick posted:These seem like the dumbest PPE for this imo. You get corona on the outside of them it’s probably gonna get on your skin while you’re taking them off or has already gotten on your face or in your urethra anyway. I have 200 nitrile gloves because I use them for handling Carolina reapers making hot sauce and I don’t see much use for them. If you touch a grocery cart or gas pump or ATM or strangers penis just don’t touch your mouth until you wash your hands the gloves don’t really help. I currently have a cut on my middle fingnat. Also my usage of gloves is mainly to assist in reducing cross contamination. Example... Leave car put on gloves, use card pumo gas etc. Card goes back into my back pocket. Remove gloves properly and toss them into the trash. My card gets washed when I get home, and I don't feel like I need to Clorox my steering wheel and door handle and keys every time I go out.
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LimburgLimbo posted:There’s a possibility that, due to it being spread largely by air droplets, having everyone wear masks all the time, which all the East Asian nations already do anyway whenever someone is feeling sick, is actually really really effective. i would not be surprised if corona death rates correlates with obesity rates in a country 
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Your Moms Ahegao posted:Now heres a scary little metric to go off. the reduced number of phones can be cause by less economic activity, I don't think millions died in china, maybe 150.000k .... but they controlled it.
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This is not a time for arguments. This is a time for bad musical parodies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLdAq-9AaVU
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Cruise ship companies that register in other territories to avoid taxes & regulations (like min. wage) are excluded from bail-out funds https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-lines-battered-by-coronavirus-could-be-left-out-bailout-2020-3 quote:Many of the world's largest cruise lines have completely halted sailings as the spreading coronavirus throws entire economies into disarray. This is a good and logical thing so clearly the r's overlooked it
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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1243355995939565570?s=19 He's like a week away from calling hospitals deep state communists that want to seize the means of production from the auto industry so they can destroy the economy.
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Clocks posted:haha what, does having this old vaccine scar make me safer or something? heck yeah if so If it's a certain kind of TB vaccination, (not a smallpox one) it may. It also has to be a certain version of it Like I'd pay a thousand each for myself and mother and brother to get one rn, I was a gambler lol But you'd have to have been born elsewhere. Deets?
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Rutibex posted:i would not be surprised if corona death rates correlates with obesity rates in a country ah poo poo my fat rear end is toast Travel agent buddies are pissing themselves fwiw
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Supreme Allah posted:Cruise ship companies that register in other territories to avoid taxes & regulations (like min. wage) are excluded from bail-out funds lol owned. I was wondering if they were going to address that. Good.
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Hadlock posted:So far have had zero luck in this department In humans. In other animals there hasn't been a pressing NEED for the past.. 10 years or so.
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Supreme Allah posted:Cruise ship companies that register in other territories to avoid taxes & regulations (like min. wage) are excluded from bail-out funds gently caress em, that's what they get for gaming the system. Maybe they should have planned better and saved more.
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