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In that one episode, why did the ship make monkey sounds when it warped? What do you think the other 4 or more planetary sterilization patterns look like? DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Mar 27, 2020 |
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I'm disappointed you all keep forgetting about Icheb!
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Mar 27, 2020 10:05
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gently caress Icheb, he died as he lived: terminally lame.
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Mar 27, 2020 10:30
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HexiDave posted:
More of a character that sucked and wasted all my time in season 1? Coming Back?! OH HELL YeAH
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Mar 27, 2020 10:51
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Sometimes I walk in to my bathroom and stare at an unflushed turd for a bit. I think wow, someone left a lot of loose threads here that I hope they pick up on when I come back.
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Mar 27, 2020 10:53
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Oh also I forgot about this shot, lol. I hope someone explains distance to JJ at some point before he dies in a nursing home. https://twitter.com/spaceshipsporn/status/1243475886780952577?s=20
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Mar 27, 2020 10:55
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Ugh, I know. As soon as I saw that shot I was like "welp they hosed that up pretty good." I think the ships would have to be the size of a small moon to be seen at that distance through a livable atmosphere. But who knows, maybe the planet is super extra tiny? The circle they used to designate where the androids live (which is 1 building) was the size of Texas so... I kinda love (hate) that there are 200 Romulan ships in the sky but we only see 1 Romulan the entire time and she's the only person on her bridge. But we see Riker and there's at least 2 other people nearby.
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Mar 27, 2020 11:00
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Nothing screams cheap low effort cgi that seeing 200 copy/pastes of the exact same ship model. Just give me 15-20 ships with a bit of variety because I can accept that as a reasonable fleet and I can also accept any depiction of an extended set-piece battle as 'these are big and powerful ships slugging it out'. You can only track so many things happening on screen at once anyway; this is why the opening scene of Revenge of the Sith is pretty decent - there's a massive battle going on but there's only ever two or three things on the screen so you can absorb all the detail. You get a couple of example shots of big spaceships blowing each other up and that's enough for you to imagine what the rest of the battle is like.
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Mar 27, 2020 11:04
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They looked like terrible placeholder designs as well.
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Mar 27, 2020 11:32
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The real question for season 2 isn't whether it'll make sense of season 1 (it won't) or whether it will be good (it won't), but who and what it'll bring back from TNG to remind you of a better show made 30 years ago.
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Mar 27, 2020 11:33
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It wasn’t really. It had like 2 good episodes a season and 7 seasons. So much garbage.
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Mar 27, 2020 11:35
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Regarde Aduck posted:It wasn’t really. It had like 2 good episodes a season and 7 seasons. So much garbage. Even in your weird brain that would still make 14 good episodes to Picard's....1?
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Mar 27, 2020 11:43
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Alchenar posted:Nothing screams cheap low effort cgi that seeing 200 copy/pastes of the exact same ship model. Just give me 15-20 ships with a bit of variety because I can accept that as a reasonable fleet and I can also accept any depiction of an extended set-piece battle as 'these are big and powerful ships slugging it out'. You can only track so many things happening on screen at once anyway; this is why the opening scene of Revenge of the Sith is pretty decent - there's a massive battle going on but there's only ever two or three things on the screen so you can absorb all the detail. You get a couple of example shots of big spaceships blowing each other up and that's enough for you to imagine what the rest of the battle is like. I'm not sure why there needed to be more than three ships: Picard's ship, one Warbird to destroy the tiny synth civilization, and Riker's ship to save them. 218 Warbirds is so many that they could have just destroyed everything in 10 seconds and nothing Picard can do in his one tiny ship should have phased them. With only one Warbird, it is reasonable that Picard could outsmart them in his outmatched ship long enough to delay until Riker saves the day. Also, it avoids the problem of the super secret Romulan society that is just a rumor somehow having control of 218 ships, and needing a roughly equivalent amount of Federation ships to counter them. The Federation was only able to send 40 ships to Wolf 359 in a last, desperate attempt to save Earth, but Riker was able to get a force of many times that size to save Picard? OK Regarde Aduck posted:They looked like terrible placeholder designs as well. The real reason they made so many ships warp in is probably because with only a few ships, you would focus a lot more on the awful designs. pyrotek fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Mar 27, 2020 |
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Mar 27, 2020 11:48
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pyrotek posted:I'm not sure why there needed to be more than three ships: Picard's ship, one Warbird to destroy the tiny synth civilization and Riker's ship to save them. 218 Warbirds is so many that they could have just destroyed everything in 10 seconds and nothing Picard can do in his one tiny ship should have phased them. With only one Warbird, it is reasonable that Picard could outsmart them in his outmatched ship long enough to delay until Riker saves the day. To be fair, by DS9 the writers figured out how big these empire's fleets and armies would really have to be, and you have the Federation lose 100 ships in a battle as just a "wow this is bad" kind of side-note. But yes- it should have been 3-4 ships.
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Mar 27, 2020 11:52
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I just find it funny that they used the same not great looking design for all the starfleet ships, while the Romulans at least seemed to have a few different types of ships. Just feels like they stopped giving a poo poo at that point. Also while sending 200+ ships to wipe out one settlement was overkill, I suppose it could be justified by saying that the Romulans had no idea what to expect and that they were preparing for the worst case scenario of an TMP style robot planet or something similar.
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Mar 27, 2020 12:13
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Drink-Mix Man posted:So what do you think? Will season 2 focus on Picard exploring his newfound identity as a synthetic in a poetic inversion of the Data arc? Or will the whole thing never be mentioned again under penalty of torture? I think there'll be a _____ that threatens all life in the galaxy and Picard and ____ will be the only ones able to stop it. At the end there'll be a huge space battle where each side has 10000 identical ships and each of those ships will launch 1000 shuttles/fighters and there'll be a huge furball with pew pew lasers. Then after the fight there'll be a big twist setting things up for season 3.
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Mar 27, 2020 12:30
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Timeless Appeal posted:For what it's worth, I think the Mystery Box is an empty catchphrase that allows people to talk in buzz words and wonky plot terms instead of just engaging with the material in terms of nuance. Like The Good Place, The Leftovers, and Westworld can all be described as Mystery Boxes and are all so different from each other, the term has no real use. Lordshmee posted:Now, I thought I was jaded. But for some reason I just didn't expect them to kill Picard there. I mean, the show had been renewed. I didn’t think they’d pull that gimmick. So I thought they really offed him. I bawled like a child. Seriously. I just broke down. The fury of the tears, the hitching of breath... I couldn’t believe I had it in me. The feeling was intense and unfamiliar, I hadn’t done it in so long. And then they just undid it. They’ll never get that reaction from me again. They’ve hardened my heart, and it makes me despise them. I will always wish Patrick Stewart well, but gently caress this show.  Khanstant posted:Big LOL at big bad admiral turncoat turning into a goofy videogame boss in the last episode. "extermination pattern 5" like they need a bunch of special planetary extermination plans and 5 is just her favourite one, or she thought we'd know that one was the plan that means business, unlike last time when she didn't mean it as much. Then several moments of "okay, every1 fire on the thing.......nobody better stop meeee, im really gonna dooo iiiiiittt -- oh darn a distraction okay i won't do it, shoot the other thing!" CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:https://twitter.com/topherflorence/status/1242907914676908032 FlamingLiberal posted:The series would have greatly benefited from a 12 episode run instead of 10. Especially when the first three episodes are all effectively the pilot episode and that takes up almost a third of the whole season.
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Mar 27, 2020 12:31
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Tiggum posted:The series would have benefited from the writers asking themselves what the purpose of each character and scene was in terms of the story they were trying to tell and cutting the ones that didn't serve that. Of course, to do that they'd have to have some idea of what the story they were trying to tell actually was and I'm not at all convinced that they did. And given what ended up in the show, the cut-down version would probably be about 90 minutes long. If they did this, I'm not entirely sure how different the show would have been from the TNG 2-parter, Descent.
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Mar 27, 2020 12:38
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I guess at the end of the day the lesson the Federation learned is 'synths are okay, never trust the loving Romulans'.
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Mar 27, 2020 12:58
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Maybe they can bring back Daimon Bok for season 2.
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Mar 27, 2020 13:09
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Alchenar posted:I guess at the end of the day the lesson the Federation learned is 'synths are okay, never trust the loving Romulans'. Amen.
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Mar 27, 2020 13:42
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Tiggum posted:I haven't seen the other two shows you mention, but absolutely nothing in The Good Place can be accurately described as a mystery box. A mystery box is where the writers show you a box and tell you there's something mysterious in it but you'll have to keep watching to find out what it is and they promise it's going to be really good! The Good Place has cliffhangers, but they're not mysteries, they're problems. You're not wondering what this unrevealed thing is, you're wondering how the protagonists are going to deal with this new danger they're facing. They make it extremely clear what the problem is so you'll spend the whole week trying to think up solutions to it. A mystery box would be something like Elanor arriving in the afterlife, being told nothing, and spending the entire series trying to figure out where she was, why she was there and who was in charge, with clues constantly accumulating but never adding up to anything. The Good Place can be described as a Mystery Box in terms of: --It sets up a dramatic question: Why was Eleanor mistakenly placed in the Good Place? --Slowly reveals more information about the nature of The Good Place and how it functions --Adds onto this essential mystery: Jason also doesn't belong in The Good Place --And at the end of the season reveals the answer to the mystery But it's irrelevant because structure is not what makes The Good Place a good show. The charming characters with clear arcs, clever humor, and thoughtful exploration of what it means to be a good person are what make it a good show. The season one mystery is just a container for that stuff in the same way as The Leftovers. Setting up Picard as a "mystery box" isn't bad in of itself especially when some of the most amazing episodes of Next Gen are structured with mysteries that hang over all or parts of their episodes. It's easy to imagine "The Chase" or "Yesterday's Enterprise" being expanded into larger arcs. But what makes "The Chase" fun is that we get some fun villains for Picard to play off of. What makes "Yesterday's Enterprise" harrowing is seeing Picard knowing that surrender is eminent and the conundrum of Tasha. Picard's problem isn't that it tried to be a mystery box. Its problem is that it doesn't foster relationships between characters, doesn't give room for characters to breathe, has good production value but is lacking in terms of design, and just constantly avoids actually doing deep dives into any of the issues it tries to deal with.
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Mar 27, 2020 13:55
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Oh also I forgot about this shot, lol. I hope someone explains distance to JJ at some point before he dies in a nursing home. That shot bugged me because it's clearly showing ships about 20,000 feet in the air.
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Mar 27, 2020 14:17
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Alchenar posted:I guess at the end of the day the lesson the Federation learned is 'synths are okay, never trust the loving Romulans'. You would think every Quadrant Power would eventually figure out to do identity checks of their heads of security!
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Mar 27, 2020 14:35
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Maybe they can bring back Daimon Bok for season 2. 
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Mar 27, 2020 14:44
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Timeless Appeal posted:The Good Place can be described as a Mystery Box in terms of: Yes, you could describe the premise as mysterious, but figuring out what's going on is not motivating the characters - Eleanor doesn't care why she's in the good place, she just doesn't want to be found out and sent to the bad place - and the audience isn't promised answers (although obviously we do get them eventually). We're expected to want to keep watching to find out if Eleanor gets away with it or what happens if she's caught and how she'll deal with that. There are plenty of ways to use mysteries in story writing that don't qualify as "mystery boxes". Although obviously there's going to be some discrepancy in how different people use the term, in general it does have a pretty specific meaning.
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Mar 27, 2020 14:47
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:More of a character that sucked and wasted all my time in season 1? Coming Back?! OH HELL YeAH I mean, the show is named after him, so
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Mar 27, 2020 15:11
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The moral of the story appears to be 'if members of a minority group commit acts of terrorism, it is because they did not have the guidance of a white man to show them the right moral path'.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:21
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CPColin posted:I mean, the show is named after him, so Hey, that's unfair. Picard actually died for realzies, the syth is just a brain copy. It doesn't make the Picard everyone knows any less dead.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:27
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Alchenar posted:The moral of the story appears to be 'if members of a minority group commit acts of terrorism, it is because they did not have the guidance of a white man to show them the right moral path'. I don't think that's the moral even in the most tortured reading.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:28
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I know asking for answers is a fools game, but circling back to the first episode- why was there so much anti-Romulan sentiment suddenly in the Federation?
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Mar 27, 2020 15:39
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Because Donald Trump.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:40
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Mulva posted:Because Donald Trump. I hate that man too!!!
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Mar 27, 2020 15:44
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It’s definitely weird that the Romulan refugee thing ended up being a background issue instead of the driving event of the series.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:55
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I don't have too much to say having watched the whole season over the last two weeks beyond it's mostly bad with some nice acting and character moments throughout. The lasting impact I have is a pretty sour taste at how it all ended. At face value: Robo-Picard is like low point for this franchise, right? He has to be brought back for the money machine to flow. If this was a one-off series, giving him and Data a mutual send-off would have been so much better. What a mess.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:57
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Senor Tron posted:That shot bugged me because it's clearly showing ships about 20,000 feet in the air. It doesn't help that they look like a WW2 bomber formation from this angle.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:57
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s definitely weird that the Romulan refugee thing ended up being a background issue instead of the driving event of the series. I can't even figure out if/why people connected the androids on Mars going nuts to the Romulus rescue, aside from timing I guess? Were the androids new and brought online specifically to build rescue ships? I feel I missed that.
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Mar 27, 2020 15:59
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I know asking for answers is a fools game, but circling back to the first episode- why was there so much anti-Romulan sentiment suddenly in the Federation? Romulan aggression being literally the cause of the Federation's founding, followed by centuries of cold war, repeated invasion attempts, covert ops, destabilization of the Federation's allies, and at least one attempted genocide?
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Mar 27, 2020 16:00
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Harlock posted:I don't have too much to say having watched the whole season over the last two weeks beyond it's mostly bad with some nice acting and character moments throughout. The lasting impact I have is a pretty sour taste at how it all ended. I think the dune buggy chase in Nemesis, basically all of Into Darkness, and most of DISCO season 1 are equally as low...which I all think are somehow lower than the racist African aliens from S1 TNG.
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Angry Salami posted:Romulan aggression being literally the cause of the Federation's founding, followed by centuries of cold war, repeated invasion attempts, covert ops, destabilization of the Federation's allies, and at least one attempted genocide? Ahh, the Federation is 21st century America again.
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