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Risky Bisquick posted:The efficacy of CPR on corona cases that code is low, and there are no vents to put people on after they are brought back was my understanding of why the DNR is put in place. CPR in general doesn’t work too often. It usually works better in respiratory arrests, but that’s because if someone stops breathing you can often fix why they’re not breathing, like an overdose, reoxygenate them, and then get their heart started again. When they’re not breathing because their lungs said “gently caress off, we’re full of ARDS goo”, you don’t really have a lot of options for reversing the underlying reason they coded in the first place.
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VikingSkull posted:that and the Chinese covering up a deadly pandemic taiwan is p. close to china and they're doing great even so so i'm quite happy to blame trump thank you very much
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Mozi posted:taiwan is p. close to china and they're doing great even so so i'm quite happy to blame trump thank you very much you can blame trump if you want, but the chinese covered up a deadly pandemic
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Last huge grocery delivery due today, we'll see what we get In So Cal Ordered apples and oranges, going to dip for 60 seconds in a 200 ppm bleach water solution and then rinse. <After research, I was going to use soap, but mom suggested this. Looks like it won't kill you and Corona might Thats all the fresh I was willing to get.
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Kharmakazy posted:IMPORTANT To clarify - hospital ERs will keep you from imminently dying, but once you are stable, if you don't have insurance/ability to pay, they will tell you to follow up with a PCP/specialist and discharge you, regardless of whether or not you are able to do so. Unless it's some weird circumstance, which happen every once in a while and are really bad for PR, even if you "need" treatment (most people do need some type of treatment) you will be stabilized and sent home. I'm not informed as to what would happen to people who come in while in respiratory distress and need intubation without family during a massive pandemic like this though. This often leads people to use the ER as a PCP - ie dialysis patients who can't afford dialysis will routinely come in to the ER over and over again when they are having an emergency, they get dialyzed (sometimes are admitted for a short time), then they throw them back out on the street ASAP. Note: this is not defending the system, just clarifying how it works.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:13
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Rolo posted:Starting to think the idiot is nervous. More proof that using more than one exclamation mark after a sentence is the sign of a diseased mind.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:15
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Risky Bisquick posted:The efficacy of CPR on corona cases that code is low, and there are no vents to put people on after they are brought back was my understanding of why the DNR is put in place. This proves my point. They can decide you aren't worth saving today, and nothing stopped them from doing it last year, and they did. No new law was passed that says they have to treat everyone except Coronavirus victims
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Mar 27, 2020 17:15
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VikingSkull posted:that and the Chinese covering up a deadly pandemic Do you really think Trump, or the entire western world for that matter would have done anything differently?
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Mar 27, 2020 17:16
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Guys, help me out. I was voicing my opinion regarding being worried about my mom to my brother and he said this. "She's in the risk zone but I wouldn't worry too much. Just this year 20-40k people died of influeza. This has been far less deadly. its just for older/compromised people. I don't want to spread it so I'm staying home but people are acting like it's the loving plague and it just isnt people disregard how dangerous the flu is but for some reason everyone is panicking over this and it's been proven to be less dangerous to the general public"
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I started calcing out the effect of Rona on voting demographics based on a few key assumptions (fatality vs age, 50% infection rate, % votes per age to dem/Rep). I didn't finish because there's too many variables but the simple version indicated (assuming everything else stays static) Rona would shift things a few three or so points towards the democrat. Not 'holy gently caress landslide shift' but a solid tick over. No idea how that fits in with gerrymandering and all the other things that could negate that outcome. Personally I think realizing the evil assholes at the helm and capitalism and lack of affordable healthcare killed hundreds of thousands to millions of people is going to do more to change voting dynamics than any direct impacts to the voter base.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:17
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WaltherFeng posted:Do you really think Trump, or the entire western world for that matter would have done anything differently? Yes?
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Mar 27, 2020 17:17
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VikingSkull posted:Yes? Get back to work
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Mar 27, 2020 17:18
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Outrail posted:I started calcing out the effect of Rona on voting demographics based on a few key assumptions (fatality vs age, 50% infection rate, % votes per age to dem/Rep). I didn't finish because there's too many variables but the simple version indicated (assuming everything else stays static) Rona would shift things a few three or so points towards the democrat. Not 'holy gently caress landslide shift' but a solid tick over. if you have to rely on a pandemic for your ideology to win the battle of ideas, you have a really poo poo ideology
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Mar 27, 2020 17:18
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Guys, help me out. I don't know how I can help but your brother is a loving idiot.
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Spinz posted:poo poo Nettle Soup posted:Whereabouts are you? Maybe somebody can help... "Greater cincinnati area"
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Mar 27, 2020 17:18
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Guys, help me out. If he's in arm reach, punch him in the face until he loses consciousness. If he resists, tell him being punched in the face happens to tens of thousands of people a year, so it's not a big deal that you are about to kick him asleep.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:20
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VikingSkull posted:you can blame trump if you want, but the chinese covered up a deadly pandemic we've known about this pandemic since early january. america did nothing. oh wait i forgot some republican senators sold stock and made money off that knowledge. you gonna blame china for that too?
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Mar 27, 2020 17:21
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VikingSkull posted:Yes? Casualties are estimated in millions and Trump plans to get it over with by easter. Wake the gently caress up.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:22
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Guys, help me out. “This rookie player sucks, he doesn’t have as many career home runs as Hank Aaron”
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Mar 27, 2020 17:22
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I wonder how many of the people who get hospitalized but survive are going to end up with permanent damage to their lungs
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Mar 27, 2020 17:22
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Guys, help me out. Hey maybe drop this on him. The swine flu of 2009 ended up killing ~12k people in the US. That was the count after the fact, when all the info was on the table. The death estimate DURING the outbreak was 87. Right now the death estimate DURING the outbreak for COVID 19 is 1,382.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:22
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Outrail posted:50% infection rate That's probably too high. On the diamond princess cruise ship, ~3700 were exposed, and less than 700 ever tested positive. And keep in mind that a cruise ship is a much older and sicker population than the country in general.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:22
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VikingSkull posted:if you have to rely on a pandemic for your ideology to win the battle of ideas, you have a really poo poo ideology Fortunately everyone, including you, knows that this is bullshit.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:23
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friendly 2 da void posted:we've known about this pandemic since early january. america did nothing. actually Trump stopped flights to and from China and got called a racist China knew about it a month earlier and did nothing
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Mar 27, 2020 17:23
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Guys, help me out. 7500 people in Italy have died in like 3 weeks.
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WaltherFeng posted:Do you really think Trump, or the entire western world for that matter would have done anything differently? Most of the western world would definitely have. Outside of the sort of people VikingSkull votes for.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:23
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Outrail posted:I started calcing out the effect of Rona on voting demographics based on a few key assumptions (fatality vs age, 50% infection rate, % votes per age to dem/Rep). I didn't finish because there's too many variables but the simple version indicated (assuming everything else stays static) Rona would shift things a few three or so points towards the democrat. Not 'holy gently caress landslide shift' but a solid tick over. About that. https://twitter.com/TomPepinsky/status/1243566275730845698
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Kharmakazy posted:If he's in arm reach, punch him in the face until he loses consciousness. If he resists, tell him being punched in the face happens to tens of thousands of people a year, so it's not a big deal that you are about to kick him asleep. He is not - he lives in a very small town in way up northern quebec and he could pummel me into a pulp if we got into a fight. But this is very in character for him, to be honest, always has to against the grain. I can't even reply to what he's saying but for some my heart rate sort of jumped a bit.
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Mar 27, 2020 17:27
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VikingSkull posted:actually Trump stopped flights to and from China and got called a racist False or misleading. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
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Risky Bisquick posted:The efficacy of CPR on corona cases that code is low, and there are no vents to put people on after they are brought back was my understanding of why the DNR is put in place. DNR on coronavirus patients is also very deadly as it releases a lot of the virus from the patient, into the air, and can infect doctors and nurses. It's not worth the risk to do this with the lack of PPE.
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I said come in! posted:DNR on coronavirus patients is also very deadly as it releases a lot of the virus from the patient, into the air, and can infect doctors and nurses. It's not worth the risk to do this with the lack of PPE. I think you meant CPR, but yeah, dnrs will be quite deadly. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but generally people with DNRs don't even get ventilators, if you can't breathe you die.
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Risky Bisquick posted:The efficacy of CPR on corona cases that code is low, and there are no vents to put people on after they are brought back was my understanding of why the DNR is put in place. Thank god I didn't listen to Hillary when she told me to learn coding!
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VikingSkull posted:actually Trump stopped flights to and from China and got called a racist if trump cared about the problem he would have made sure at that point that we were producing tests that worked instead of just jumping on the chance to close some more borders and gently caress off to his golf course and tell everyone the problem would be over in two weeks it doesn't matter if you're technically correct that china covered it up in december. it just doesn't matter right now at all in the slightest and the only reason anyone is bringing it up is to try to find a boogeyman to distract from the fact that trump completely and utterly poo poo the bed and is the direct cause of, minimally, tens of thousands of american deaths
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Mar 27, 2020 17:33
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Kharmakazy posted:False or misleading. "“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”" What horse is he talking about, is it the horse that China hid?
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Mozi posted:if trump cared about the problem he would have made sure at that point that we were producing tests that worked instead of just jumping on the chance to close some more borders and gently caress off to his golf course and tell everyone the problem would be over in two weeks ok what about the other countries that this is ravaging, tell me how Trump hosed them up
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The Cockler posted:Which thread would that be? To again clarify i'm homeless and have literally nothing but 3 outfits worth of clothes 20 dollars and five days in a hotel
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yeah so maybe if it was already in this country we should have been testing for it instead of thinking the problem was solved already i don't know why you keep doing this. you're making yourself look like a jackass
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VikingSkull posted:ok what about the other countries that this is ravaging, tell me how Trump hosed them up wait two months and see how we compare to then and check back in with me later if you're not dead already
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I said come in! posted:DNR on coronavirus patients is also very deadly as it releases a lot of the virus from the patient, into the air, and can infect doctors and nurses. It's not worth the risk to do this with the lack of PPE. Man, I don’t know why I didn’t even consider that and just thought of the efficacy. Codes are goddamn messy. On my first code I got corpsevomit in my eyes.
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