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No, see, the entire industry coming to a halt because of an unprecedented worldwide crisis means the frog guy was right the whole time about girls writing comic books.
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BrianWilly posted:What's "Down goes G Willow" supposed to mean? She's takes over DC's Sandman in a month. Wilson got an email she called 'pencils down' that basically meant to halt working on her stuff. Uncle Ethan has taken this to mean, logically, WAHOO IN YOUR FACE ESS JAY DUBS THBPPPPT.
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Why not just...keep making comic books...and release them digitally...?
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Blockhouse posted:Why not just...keep making comic books...and release them digitally...? A bunch of people won't make the switch to digital and another bunch of people just lost their job so even if they would have made the switch they're probably cutting their expenses and comic books are a bit of a luxury expense. You have a lot of people with a poo poo ton of free time but not a lot of discretionary spending, 3 comics costs the same as a month of Netflix.
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Skwirl posted:A bunch of people won't make the switch to digital and another bunch of people just lost their job so even if they would have made the switch they're probably cutting their expenses and comic books are a bit of a luxury expense. You have a lot of people with a poo poo ton of free time but not a lot of discretionary spending, 3 comics costs the same as a month of Netflix. So instead every freelancer gets to be out of a job too cool
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Blockhouse posted:So instead every freelancer gets to be out of a job too I'm not saying it's good or anything, just that I understand the reason it's happening. Disney and Warner should be stepping up and providing for the creators who wrote the stories they turned into billion dollar films, and they aren't and it loving sucks.
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Blockhouse posted:Why not just...keep making comic books...and release them digitally...? Releasing titles digitally would probably be the same as saying that those titles won't come out in print. Keeping a comicbook store alive was tough even before the pandemic, I am not sure how many would survive if Marvel and DC went digital only, and I don't think those publishers could survive if most of the comic shops closed. The whole system is a big mess.
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Blockhouse posted:Why not just...keep making comic books...and release them digitally...?
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may not exactly fit here but it feels scummy enough for it https://twitter.com/alexdecampi/status/1243543693619011584
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https://twitter.com/couchdoodles/status/1243590306953596928?s=20 Ethan Van Sciver loves Joseph McCarthy though.
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E the Shaggy posted:https://twitter.com/couchdoodles/status/1243590306953596928?s=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPefOfu2TIU&t=15s Also the whole thing is nonsensical. "I'm part of comicsgate because after I became comicsgate people shunned me," why did you join in the first place, before anyone was shunning you? Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Mar 27, 2020 |
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site posted:who is that Dan Fraga. Created the comic book Black Flagg and directed some Ricky Gervais things.
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E the Shaggy posted:directed some Ricky Gervais things. And he's comicsgate?!
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[leans over and whispers to my friend in the dark of the theater] that's comicsgate
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E the Shaggy posted:Dan Fraga. Created the comic book Black Flagg and directed some Ricky Gervais things. oh no how bad oh nooooo 
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Why do so many of these dipshits have to film their manifestos from their cars?
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A middle-aged white man has never faced bigotry? Well, I never.
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Wanderer posted:Why do so many of these dipshits have to film their manifestos from their cars? It's a difficult to identify spot with an enclosed interior, natural lighting, and makes them feel powerful behind the wheel of a vehicle. It removes the possibility of criticism from other people in the house, is relatively private, and if anyone comes calling for their unpaid bills they're already in their getaway vehicle. In short, it's their safe space.
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That's so much better than what I had which is just "you don't have to gently caress with lightning in a full sunlit front seat".
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Plus, they have a lot of practice yelling (in agreement or in rage) at talk radio in their car during their long commutes.
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It should be noted that CG is hilariously low-tech, too. EVS streamed something making fun of... I dunno, KickVic or some group and did it by having his webcam point at him while he used his table to look at the stream.
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It's pretty rich that the CGers almost uniformly point to the artistic peak of the medium as... the early Nineties, when comics sales were largely inflated by the speculation market and the resultant crash is directly responsible for there being only a few thousand comic stores nationwide.
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's pretty rich that the CGers almost uniformly point to the artistic peak of the medium as... the early Nineties, when comics sales were largely inflated by the speculation market and the resultant crash is directly responsible for there being only a few thousand comic stores nationwide. The idea is that they don't see it as an artistic nadir that led to a speculator's boom and the resulting crash. They see it as the time when comics made the most money off of being comics. That is their entire criteria for success: How much money did you make? They also have completely missed that the crash was American only. In other countries, comics remain a viable form of media for many different genres, age groups, and audiences. Here in America, Dr. Fredric Wertham's "Seduction of the Innocent" was one of the main proponents of strangling the medium for literally decades. The damage is still obvious and widespread, and probably won't heal for another half century at least. Yet what CG and the like want isn't a return to the pre-censorship era of comics, where the medium was actually exploring different genres in America; they want a return to the stifled, tone deaf, neutered era where the only viable stories were good versus evil, where the protagonist was a hero who had to fight a villain. Of course, they want the 90s nadir back too, but even those 90s comics could explore political and ethical themes beyond the norm. CG is basically the definition of that which they claim to hate: Censorship champions, who want to stamp out anything interesting or that goes against their common views. Stories that explore hard issues are scary.
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You are way overthinking this. They hold the 90s as the hey day because they were teenage kids/young adults in the 90s and that was their peak reading experience. They look back with rose coloured glasses and do what any person does with media; they say "it isn't as good as it was when I was younger".
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Actually you're both wrong. They just want to make the world worse for minorities and women and are using weird arguments about comics as the means to that end. And some of them just want to grift people, but are willing to pitch into the hate mob to do it.
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All of this is true. There are absolutely middle-aged guys who equate their lost youth with reading 90s comics and are willing to grift others based on nostalgia plus their unexamined bigotry to achieve the specter of their teenage dream of creating comics or somehow being in the industry, because it’s the closest thing to a personality they have.
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I'm more addressing why they hold the 90s as some kind of golden age, the last time comics were good. I agree completely that their end goal is to marginalize women and other minorities and make comics a toxic swamp. It's just that their jumping in point to refer back to is the 90s (while totally ignoring all the minorities and women who were making comics back then)
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Jim Lee passionate about his characters and stories? I dunno dude, I read that initial run of WildC.A.T.S.
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's pretty rich that the CGers almost uniformly point to the artistic peak of the medium as... the early Nineties, when comics sales were largely inflated by the speculation market and the resultant crash is directly responsible for there being only a few thousand comic stores nationwide. I want to preface this with the fact that I love comic shops, I love bookstores, I love(d) record stores and video rental stores and etc. I spent my adolescence and young adulthood working in them, I am still friends with people who own them. But I question just how many stores is ultimately 'healthy' for the industry? It's a complicated question, but anecdotally my midwestern childhood hometown (population 100-200,000 depending on how you count the surrounding suburbs) went from having 1-2 comic shops in the late 1980s when I started buying comics to 6-8 in the mid 1990s back to (according to Google Maps) 2 today. We also went through periods where we had over half a dozen baseball card stores in my youth, and at least a dozen video rental stores. Literally zero of these types of stores existed in the 1970s (at least in this town) and in 2020 only the comic shops have survived. I know I'm mixing apples and oranges here -- baseball cards are a weird thing that I'm kind of amazed continue to be produced, television/film/visual art is something that existed long before video rental stores and has persisted long after pretty much all of them have closed -- but my point is more that linking the health of the medium of comic books to a niche specialty store that can only purchase merchandise from a single effective monopoly feels weird to me, and I was honestly surprised when you said "only a few thousand stores nationwide", because while it's an accurate number it sounded like a lot of stores to me. Also I know that "the 1990s" is very much shorthand for something in comics, but I feel like a friendly reminder that the comics industry of the 1990s produced a ton of great comics too, I am scanning a bunch of photos while in quarantine and came across these two photos of one of the shops I frequented in the mid 1990s:   I was lucky enough to have access to a store like this (and also lucky enough to either look older than 14 or have someone who was kidding about their posted policy on selling "Mature Readers" books to underage kids) and probably ended up buying 80% of the comics in these photos. I know this is technically post-"Boom" and sort of mid-"Bust" but a lot of the titles there were starting at the same time (or before) the collective memory of comics is dominated by Deathmate and Bloodstrike and Bloodmate and Deathstrike. Most of these books have endured and can be read in handsome reprints, in libraries across the country, on Comixology, etc. Which is more than you can say for Deathmate, and not that anyone in this thread needs convincing but that's a good thing. And it also came out of the 1990s. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:All of this is true. There are absolutely middle-aged guys who equate their lost youth with reading 90s comics and are willing to grift others based on nostalgia plus their unexamined bigotry to achieve the specter of their teenage dream of creating comics or somehow being in the industry, because it’s the closest thing to a personality they have. There's also something to be said here about how desperate so many of them seem to be to be seen as creators, and how jealous they are of anyone from a perceived outgroup who's ended up with a deal at Marvel or DC.
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"a man but Asian"
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That’s a good store. Also the 90s were good actually, but not for the reason comicgate weirdos think.
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90's had stuff like Vertigo going full steam. Unfortunately for 12 year old me I was more interested in blood and tits than Vertigo stuff.
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Madkal posted:90's had stuff like Vertigo going full steam. Unfortunately for 12 year old me I was more interested in blood and tits than Vertigo stuff. Vertigo had all the blood and tits.
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Jedit posted:Vertigo had all the blood and tits. Yes, but big words too.
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Madkal posted:Yes, but big words too. And lesbians!
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Jedit posted:Vertigo had all the blood and tits. But there were so many words! How could you concentrate on the blood and tits when all those words were in the way? They didn't even have cool cyborg mercenaries with big guns to look at while you waited for the blood and tits to show up! You might as well go right to the source and get a comic without things like "story" or "characterization" getting in the way.
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