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The Bloop posted:In Trek the original isn't destroyed, it's sent. They cannot (intentionally) make a new (living) human with the transporter or replicator. Recognizing that they've gotten away from that premise, even so, you're reducing a person to data of some sort even if noone in the Federation has figured out Ctrl-C/Ctrl-P yet. Though I guess the ramifications are trivial when bumping the console in anyway during the process will send you through time/into a mirror universe.
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"Sanitize the entire planet!" "Focus all fire on that settlement!" "Obliteration pattern #5!" "Ready weapons! On my mark!" Just pick one, lady!
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Mar 27, 2020 22:45
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Good thing this one synthetic has decided not to build a ham radio to the Reapers. Seems like a good time to allow all of them who are now aware that they can do so to wander hither and yon with no supervision. Edit: I'm still on my bullshit, did the Romulans hack the Synthetics on Mars?
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Mar 27, 2020 23:04
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Tighclops posted:I know it is a minor nitpick but I think it's funny that out of all of the myriad of starship designs they could have lifted from Star Trek Online they picked one of the uglier ones There are two classes of ship. They put in the effort to put in two classes, but the only difference is the detailing on the nacelles. 
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Mar 27, 2020 23:17
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"These synths are genuine sentient lifeforms, with all the inalienable rights and freedoms that come along with it! They're people, just like you and me!" "Hey, Soong just killed that one because he didn't like her." "Whatever, it's just a robot, I bet it was evil or something anyway." "Remember when Data killed Lore just like that?" "lol" "lol"
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Mar 27, 2020 23:19
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Star Trek has always had the problem that the transporter should turn their society into the Culture. I'm satisfied that they have some sort of doohicky with the patterns that makes sub-picometer accuracy possible only in a very limited application set.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:21
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Powered Descent posted:"These synths are genuine sentient lifeforms, with all the inalienable rights and freedoms that come along with it! They're people, just like you and me!" maybe the electric jolt just knocked her unconscious
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Mar 27, 2020 23:27
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galenanorth posted:maybe the electric jolt just knocked her unconscious Oh, I'm sure she'll be less genocidal when she wakes up.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:31
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I still can't believe that the Romulans were right. Their mythology was right. Their secret spies were right. But it doesn't matter because these robots decided not to do it this time. And the Romulans are evil villains because they were right the whole time.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:35
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Cojawfee posted:I still can't believe that the Romulans were right. Their mythology was right. Their secret spies were right. But it doesn't matter because these robots decided not to do it this time. And the Romulans are evil villains because they were right the whole time. If the "VISION" is sufficient to convince Allison Pill to endorse genocide and murder her lover maaaaaybe the society didn't need to be secret after all?
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Mar 27, 2020 23:37
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Cojawfee posted:I still can't believe that the Romulans were right. Their mythology was right. Their secret spies were right. But it doesn't matter because these robots decided not to do it this time. And the Romulans are evil villains because they were right the whole time. Yeah, this is kinda why i think the 'mystery box' characterization is incorrect. This show is extremely straightforward.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:37
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The result of the beacon should have either been Soji shutting it down before finding out what would come through, or the synths that came through should have been benevolent. It being evil robot snakes that the Romulans can point to and say "SEE? WE TOLD YOU" is not a good resolution. But who knows, maybe there were nice snakes.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:39
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Cojawfee posted:The result of the beacon should have either been Soji shutting it down before finding out what would come through, or the synths that came through should have been benevolent. It being evil robot snakes that the Romulans can point to and say "SEE? WE TOLD YOU" is not a good resolution. But who knows, maybe there were nice snakes. We've gotta establish diplomatic relations with the homicidal metal snakes to find out.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:42
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You didn't get a good sense of the scale of the metal snake robots, but I feel like Riker's fleet could have taken them.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:42
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We could have had a Mars Attacks style "Stop we are your friends" coming through the universal translator as they are ripping apart Romulan and Federation ships.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:43
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I don't know that I should expect any competence from the guys that just forgot about the Hot Romulan dude who was in every episode and basically a main character, but the robot things need to: 1) Be huge or something 2) gently caress up some Romulan/Federation ships effortlessly You gotta prove the Admonition correct.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:48
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Cojawfee posted:The result of the beacon should have either been Soji shutting it down before finding out what would come through, or the synths that came through should have been benevolent. It being evil robot snakes that the Romulans can point to and say "SEE? WE TOLD YOU" is not a good resolution. But who knows, maybe there were nice snakes. I was really holding out hope that the super-synths were benevolent, and the situation with the Admonition was some sort Q-like test of the synths' readiness to ascend to their level.
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Mar 27, 2020 23:52
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PostNouveau posted:I don't know that I should expect any competence from the guys that just forgot about the Hot Romulan dude who was in every episode and basically a main character, but the robot things need to: If the Admonition turned out to be incorrect or lost in translation somehow, it could have been a kind of potent morality play about misinformation, myths, and bias. Here's my pitch: both the synths and the organics wildly misinterpret the admonition through their respective biases. It turns out the only people who get it right are the humble xBs next door. The most persecuted people in the galaxy end up saving it, and force the major powers to have a reckoning about their immoral disregard for this refugee population. That's okay, I'll show myself out Mr. Kurtzman. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Mar 28, 2020 |
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Mar 27, 2020 23:57
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejAOxQkOWk May be relevant to you interests.. part 2!
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Mar 28, 2020 00:00
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CPColin posted:"Sanitize the entire planet!" Oh getting constantly blue balled on launching her attack was very lowkey hilarious after like the third time it happens.
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Mar 28, 2020 00:30
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Mar 28, 2020 00:31
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:1) Sure, but if I care enough about you to kick the poo poo out of someone who is mean to you, its pretty poo poo of me to leave both the promise and instructions on how to redeem the promise in a well on a single dead world. The actual reapers left all kinds of poo poo lying around. 1) That's a good point, pretty bizarre to leave one relic and hope the right AI life or anything stumbles upon it. 3) Wait, did Picard get his hands on the thing, I only remember Rios noodling with it and what it did seem to amount to nanobots sorting out some wires. Pumping out ships would feel broken for sure, that's way outside the scope of a psychic tool. Psychic manufacturing facility though? In-universe people in scifi and fantasy worlds always lack the imagination and knowledge to fully utilize their own capabilities, so nobody there probably thought to build one. 4) It's definitely an ambiguous signal when only briefly tested out, you'd think the reapers would at least send one of their oh-so-evolved scouts in to check things out. What we saw of these super-robots looked like something you could definitely fight and blow up anyway. If you really wanted to obliterate a galaxy, seems like you'd want to do way better than war machines running around, just put a star everywhere that organics live.
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Mar 28, 2020 00:37
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Edit: I'm still on my bullshit, did the Romulans hack the Synthetics on Mars?
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Mar 28, 2020 00:37
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What if for season 2 they bring back Vash, and she has a plan to steal some artifacts?
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Mar 28, 2020 00:41
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What if in season 2 they meet up with Geordi, and he's having weird dreams that are really an alien species trying to communicate with him?
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Mar 28, 2020 00:44
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apatheticman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejAOxQkOWk May be relevant to you interests.. part 2! Wow, only 15 minutes into this and it kind of sounds like all the behind the scenes bullcrap with Picard and DISCO are entirely normal and on brand for trek production.
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Mar 28, 2020 00:51
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Maybe in season 2 Crusher gets trapped on a planet w/ a huge storm they can't beam her up through, and she has to make use of her Starfleet skills to keep herself, and others, alive.
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Mar 28, 2020 00:55
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Khanstant posted:Wow, only 15 minutes into this and it kind of sounds like all the behind the scenes bullcrap with Picard and DISCO are entirely normal and on brand for trek production. I don’t think there’s been a single Trek first season that wasn’t riddled with some kind of studio interference or BTS drama or creator/writer turnover. Maybe Voyager? But even that had the recasting of Janeway after scenes had already been shot.
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Mar 28, 2020 01:13
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Gambit was such a good 2-parter. drat. lol I had no idea James Worthy played Doral. WHERES YOUR GOD NOW, MODERN TREK?
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Gambit was such a good 2-parter. drat. The worst would be Time's Arrow, IMO
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Mar 28, 2020 01:23
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FlamingLiberal posted:Honestly it's one of the weaker 2 parters on TNG, but it's not awful or anything. It's so much fun. Riker with mussed hair. Picard playing rogue. Data and Worf as 1 &2. A Klingon winning a slam dunk contest.
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Mar 28, 2020 01:27
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I enjoyed Time's Arrow. MR PICKERD!
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Mar 28, 2020 01:32
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The thing about Time's Arrow is it's basically a Doctor Who episode.
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Alchenar posted:The thing about Time's Arrow is it's basically a Doctor Who episode. Could be worse, it could be a DISCO episode!!!
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Mar 28, 2020 01:58
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Alchenar posted:The thing about Time's Arrow is it's basically a Doctor Who episode. It's a very strange episode for late TNG
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Khanstant posted:Wow, only 15 minutes into this and it kind of sounds like all the behind the scenes bullcrap with Picard and DISCO are entirely normal and on brand for trek production. Yeah really puts into perspective how Star Trek was always a trashfire.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Good thing this one synthetic has decided not to build a ham radio to the Reapers. Seems like a good time to allow all of them who are now aware that they can do so to wander hither and yon with no supervision. They apparently did, but as for why they did it specifically when the migration was happening that's because ????????????? Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:If the "VISION" is sufficient to convince Allison Pill to endorse genocide and murder her lover maaaaaybe the society didn't need to be secret after all? The society had to be secret because it touching the thingy that tells you the secret can be so intense it can cause people to commit suicide. (Although it can apparently be overcome by humans and be summarized as "Don't build robots"). I wonder if the tool Picard has can also be used to tighten bolts using sound...
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Mar 28, 2020 02:40
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Did they ever explain why the secret reclusive android planet that wants to stay a secret built up elaborate fake backstories for Soji and inconsequential twin, wiped their memories, and sent them to very specific places out in the world? Other than because they needed a season to happen. I love how the androids take all of 15 minutes to go from "Organics want to kill us all, this is so awful and inhumane of them!" to "I know, let's genocide all organic life in the galaxy, just to be sure!" Just how loving inbred is the Soong bloodline? Every member of the family has looked identical for over 200 years now.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Did they ever explain why the secret reclusive android planet that wants to stay a secret built up elaborate fake backstories for Soji and inconsequential twin, wiped their memories, and sent them to very specific places out in the world? Other than because they needed a season to happen. I THINK it was to find the Admonition. But I don't understand why they would send a synth to Daystrom and a Romulan controlled derelict Borg cube to do that.
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SoupyTwist posted:They apparently did, but as for why they did it specifically when the migration was happening that's because ????????????? The Romulans as a whole didn’t do it, it was the Zhat Vash taking advantage of a crisis to launch an attack designed to scare the Federation away from continuing to utilize and produce synthetics.
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