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Kawasaki Nun posted:Is blue/gold different than port and starboard? Sounds to me like Red Crown is catching a break I dunno. Normally blue/gold is crew rotation for subs and LCSs. One high tempo on hull period too busy for training (where nobody reduces training requirements) while the other crew trains (gets farmed out to fill gapped on-hull billets). I don't really know what Red Crown is or why he'd be mission essential, but I can't for the life of me imagine justifying an admiral as mission essential unless actively directing an operation. The admiral isn't standing a watch, isn't driving, and isn't turning a wrench.
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I wouldn't want to see what happens after week 3 or 4 but The navy would continue to function just fine with all the E7+ and O4+ suddenly vanishing for a while. You might see a brief peak in the amount of useful work that gets done before everybody just decides to go home and never come back.
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piL posted:I don't really know what Red Crown is or why he'd be mission essential, I wish I had the answers to either of those
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piL posted:I dunno. Normally blue/gold is crew rotation for subs and LCSs. One high tempo on hull period too busy for training (where nobody reduces training requirements) while the other crew trains (gets farmed out to fill gapped on-hull billets). I'm only familiar with Red Crown in terms of amphibious operations.
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Mar 30, 2020 02:10
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It's not really so much "mission essential" as "required to be physically present to do the mission"; an admiral is probably doing most of their (useful) work via email/phone calls and can do that from home. We're going to a blue/gold schedule this week and most of our admin department is just working from home because they can, but turning wrenches and flying planes does require a certain amount of physical presence.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Is blue/gold different than port and starboard? Sounds to me like Red Crown is catching a break Blue/Gold are typically designations for different crews operating the same hull on a rotation. Different from port/starboard which typically just relates to watch teams. Stultus Maximus posted:I'm only familiar with Red Crown in terms of amphibious operations. Red Crown is air traffic control for strike groups and reports to the AAWC. For Amphib operations, it's called Green Crown instead. (I think. I haven't been in a strike group for almost a decade.) Red Crown posted:
>_> Yuck yuck yuck
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https://twitter.com/NBCNewsNow/status/1244640616363036672?s=20
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Starting to get the hot fill requests for IT personal now. Wonder if they are gonna notice us kicking rocks in Norfolk.
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I was in boot camp on 9/11, and all the RDCs were permanently onboard 24/7 for at least the 3 weeks until the base opened back up. They didn't seem to like it.
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Welp, 6 weeks into my return to a ship and being an LPO for the first time. Even though she knows I made E-6 instructing and have literally no experience as an LPO, my Senior Chief has apparently been "observing" me to see how I do before she actually gives me any advice or mentorship. Turns out I'm not here to be buddies with my techs. Apparently I need to "stay on them" to makes sure they do work. When they complain about things I have to squash it, not express understanding for their (valid because there's a loving pandemic on) frustrations. Also, and this is my favorite one: I need to be careful how I talk and what I say. Her main example was when I mentioned putting my finger in a https://writingexplained.org/idiom-dictionary/finger-in-the-dike-mean Luckily she's on her way out, and the division is pretty solid. I mean, which such pedantic micro-management they loving have to be. Mr. Bad Guy fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Mar 31, 2020 13:59
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Ok though.... please learn the distinctions and connotations about “dyke” vs “dike” and maybe use a thesaurus to substitute less potentially problematic and charged synonyms that aren’t homophones.
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Mar 31, 2020 15:35
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It's like no one has ever heard of little hans brinker. 
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Mar 31, 2020 15:36
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Also one of my favorite venture bros jokes. General Treister talking about Monstroso says "And that Hans Brinker has his thumb in all of our pies." to which Col. Gathers responds "Jack Horner. Hans Brinker got his finger stuck in a dike." Then Treister responds "Son whatever depravities you get up to are between you and your living god." Makes me laugh every time and it was just such a dumb little throwaway line.
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WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO??? LEAD????? For real though that seems like a completely awful situation.
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Mar 31, 2020 15:44
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Granted most of the people on the ship should be healthy, not too obese, and generally under 40, so deaths should be low. Even still, dozens of people on that carrier are probably gonna die maybe more if they can't get some sort of ventilators set up.
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:Welp, 6 weeks into my return to a ship and being an LPO for the first time. Even though she knows I made E-6 instructing and have literally no experience as an LPO, my Senior Chief has apparently been "observing" me to see how I do before she actually gives me any advice or mentorship. Turns out I'm not here to be buddies with my techs. Apparently I need to "stay on them" to makes sure they do work. When they complain about things I have to squash it, not express understanding for their (valid because there's a loving pandemic on) frustrations. I'm thoroughly impressed with how, despite having shown the word to someone else in the dictionary AND shared a link to an explanation of the term, you still managed to spell dike wrong.
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McNally posted:I'm thoroughly impressed with how, despite having shown the word to someone else in the dictionary AND shared a link to an explanation of the term, you still managed to spell dike wrong. He can’t help but break down while writing a story.
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McNally posted:I'm thoroughly impressed with how, despite having shown the word to someone else in the dictionary AND shared a link to an explanation of the term, you still managed to spell dike wrong. Maybe he's phone posting and his phone changed it and he didn't catch it. Though the algorithm determining dyke is more likely to be typed than dike raises more questions.
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Mar 31, 2020 17:24
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I just want to know if Dick and Jerry have these problems.
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Mea culpa, for all my vaunted vocabularity, I literally did did not know that they were two distinct, differently-spelt words. I mean, this started from a spoken conversation where that wouldn't have mattered, but still. LingcodKilla posted:He can’t help but break down while writing a story. 
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LingcodKilla posted:He can’t help but break down while writing a story. This will never get old.
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Two things, that CO is never gonna put on a star, and Big Navy won't isolate the crew, and will then lie the losses at the COs feet.
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orange juche posted:Two things, that CO is never gonna put on a star, and Big Navy won't isolate the crew, and will then lie the losses at the COs feet. You missed one: they’ll blame the sailors, too. Also they’ll ask: “How could we have known this would happen? Besides, what could we have done?”
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Enough spine to publicly release a letter, not enough spine to drive home and park it and send everyone to quarantine at home.
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[At Quarters on a crowded messdeck] Shipmates, ensure you have completed the FY20 Pandemic & Social Distance Awareness Training on NKO. If you feel sick, report to sick call at 0800. As a reminder, liberty expires onboard for all E6 and below at 0645.
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M_Gargantua posted:Enough spine to publicly release a letter, not enough spine to drive home and park it and send everyone to quarantine at home. While the CO is in charge of the ship, he cannot just pull out of Guam on his own volition, as it costs a shitload of money (literal pallets of cash, if you're looking for a physical equivalent) to bring a capital ship like the TR into or out of port. For better or worse, unless the Navy gives the TR the order to sail for its homeport, they cannot move it out of Guam, and there's also no way they're going to find individual lodging for 4500 sailors on the island of Guam. That CO, and his crew are hosed. orange juche fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Came here about the SF Chronicle article. Holy poo poo. There was one person that died in my Battle Group in 5 years, TR probably gonna drop a couple of dozen in a few weeks.
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orange juche posted:While the CO is in charge of the ship, he cannot just pull out of Guam on his own volition, as it costs a shitload of money (literal pallets of cash, if you're looking for a physical equivalent) to bring a capital ship like the TR into or out of port. There are easily 3000 empty hotel rooms in guam right now, the place is a ghost town. The CO at a minimum should have done something to allow for social distancing with the crew instead of continuing to work normally for the mission. All the public whining is useless if you don't change things on the ground, which he clearly is unwilling to do without being told directly.
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M_Gargantua posted:There are easily 3000 empty hotel rooms in guam right now, the place is a ghost town. With shared ventilation and no space unless you start sticking people in fan rooms and even then? Its an impractical excercise. I can see why he dispensed with the futility of it.
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Better than keeping people working 10 hour days + duty on a carrier
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M_Gargantua posted:There are easily 3000 empty hotel rooms in guam right now, the place is a ghost town. I don't know the situation on the ground in Guam but it's possible that local hotels aren't willing to bunk potentially ill sailors with no money provided up front. The CO could possibly do that (funding for local hotels to isolate the entire ships force, though I have no idea how many millions of dollars would be required to fund that), but if the admiral on board won't authorize it, bureaucracy does what bureaucracy does best. People are panicking, landlords and building owners are kicking tenants out at the potential mention of Coronavirus in the states, regardless of restrictions and declarations from the government right now. The CO can't force local hotels to quarter sailors without their consent, or without some sort of cover from above, and cooperation from the local government of Guam. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Mar 31, 2020 21:14
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orange juche posted:some sort of cover from above doesnt he have an air wing lmao
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shovelbum posted:doesnt he have an air wing lmao How many knots does the ship have to be moving at in a headwind in order to fling a plane off the deck successfully? It's a significant amount of speed IIRC. Hard to attain that tied to a pier. /s if you couldn't tell. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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orange juche posted:How many knots does the ship have to be moving at in a headwind in order to fling a plane off the deck successfully? It's a significant amount of speed IIRC. Hard to attain that tied to a pier. It'll prove he means business if he launches a flight of anything and just does low passes.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:It'll prove he means business if he launches a flight of anything and just does low passes. Just gotta have enough heart and can-do attitude to get the planes airborne. E: for serious content, assuming ~$100 a night rates in Guam, (the hotels range from $70 to over $200 per night), 15 days x 4500 personnel is $6.75 million. If you go for $70 a night, the lowest rate I could find in Guam, it's still $4.5 million dollars. The CO probably doesn't have the authority to dispense that kind of funds without approval from big navy. Those kind of numbers for money is somewhere in the ballpark of what it would take to get the ship underway as well. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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orange juche posted:How many knots does the ship have to be moving at in a headwind in order to fling a plane off the deck successfully? It's a significant amount of speed IIRC. Hard to attain that tied to a pier. Nice try, Comrade Ivan
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orange juche posted:The CO can't force local hotels to quarter sailors without their consent At long last, the Third Amendment has its day in the limelight.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:At long last, the Third Amendment has its day in the limelight. The court will probably rule that because of the Insular Cases, the Guamanians are too stupid to get Third Amendment rights.
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Stultus Maximus posted:The court will probably rule that because of the Insular Cases, the Guamanians are too stupid to get Third Amendment rights. My wife and I were just talking about how the Constitution applies to these places. Guam is an Incorporated and Organized Territory, as is Puerto Rico, but the North Marianas and USVI are Unincorporated and Organized Territories? And are all classed as Protectorates? (Except maybe the Marianas, since they may be a UN Trust?) I also assume it's not forcible quarter if market rates are paid; that's just eminent domain.
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