d0s posted:

he's talking about things like these:



which are designed for working with chemicals and stuff and not medical environments so they protect from stuff getting in but not going out, probably so it's easier to breathe through.

Tei posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers

d0s posted:

he's talking about things like these:



which are designed for working with chemicals and stuff and not medical environments so they protect from stuff getting in but not going out, probably so it's easier to breathe through.

Facebook Aunt posted:

Oh I see. When I was looking for some masks* a lot of the hardware store N95 masks had an exhalation valve like that.
eg.

So ones like this aren't great for disease control?



*for my mom who has asthma and ticks a lot of other boxes, but won't stay home because she has to walk her dog 40 times a day.

quote:

My employees complain that Surgical N95 respirators are hot and uncomfortable – what can I do?

The requirements for surgical N95 respirators that make them resistant to high velocity streams of body fluids and help protect the sterile field can result in a design that has a higher breathing resistance (makes it more difficult to breath) than a typical N95 respirator. Also, surgical N95 respirators are designed without exhalation valves which are sometimes perceived as warmer inside the mask than typical N95 respirators. If you are receiving complaints, you may consider having employees who are not doing surgery, not working in a sterile field, or not potentially exposed to high velocity streams of body fluids wear a standard N95 with an exhalation valve.

My N95 respirator has an exhalation valve, is that okay?

An N95 respirator with an exhalation valve does provide the same level of protection to the wearer as one that does not have a valve. The presence of an exhalation valve reduces exhalation resistance, which makes it easier to breathe (exhale). Some users feel that a respirator with an exhalation valve keeps the face cooler and reduces moisture build up inside the facepiece. However, respirators with exhalation valves should not be used in situations where a sterile field must be maintained (e.g., during an invasive procedure in an operating or procedure room) because the exhalation valve allows unfiltered exhaled air to escape into the sterile field.

d0s posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_finger_trap

AnnoyBot posted:

My glasses don't fog when I wear them. I don't know how N95 masks compare though, I'm talking about normal surgical style dust masks, which are terrible with glasses.

Platystemon posted:

Platystemon posted:

Waltzing Along posted:

My point is that we know China lied about the virus at the start. We also know how infectious it is now. But while they were lying, it was still fairly unknown. So it is likely to have spread a lot more than they let on. For it to be contained to 2 areas is highly unlikely. Look at how it is spreading everywhere else in the world even after people knew about it.

So they lied about it at the start. Then once they admitted it was going on, they lied about how bad it was. Then they did admit something was going on and the numbers got real big real fast. Then they stopped. I know they took drastic measures. But they took them very late. What is more likely, a country that had been lying would continue to lie or that they would go for honesty is the best policy and all of a sudden have statistics that don't match up with anything we see elsewhere.

This is not a racist thing. I just highly doubt China is being honest now. We know they weren't before. Why believe them now? Because we want to?

They first started getting cases at the start of December. They didn't lock down until the end of January. And people are infectious for a bit before they even show symptoms.

Their #s are incredibly suspicious.

Platystemon posted:

Maybe.

Ccughs can be forceful, the opening is large, and it’s right in line with the mouth. Tape some fabric around the hole and now we’re talking.

unpacked robinhood posted:

e: now I have 'Denmark animal brothel' in my Google history which isn't ideal

Cockmaster posted:

If this were the early 2000's, some unknown artist would do it and then music pirates would distribute MP3 copies crediting Weird Al.

Der Shovel posted:

Meanwhile in Finland the capital region has been on lockdown for a couple of days now and people don't seem to be getting it. 850+ vehicles have been turned away for trying to cross the perimeter with bad reasons. I guess people are still trying to escape the region for their summer cottages / go infect some small town hotel somewhere.

Dear Watson posted:

At what point is everyone going to start going on cruises again? I can't wait to see the fjords

quote:

Elvira Fernandes is on board the MS Zaandam - a cruise ship anchored off the coast of Panama after several countries refused to let it into port.

Four passengers on the ship have died of the virus, while 138 more have reported flu-like symptoms associated with COVID-19.

Ms Fernandes said it was a terrifying experience.

"Four people died on board we were told yesterday at 2 o’clock (PM) and all of us were horrified and shocked," she said.

quote:

Mr Abdullah said the number of sick continues to climb.

"It was something like 25 per cent of crew; 28 members and 14 passengers initially, but the number started to balloon," he said.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

The Australian prime minister today announced further restrictions and public gatherings are now restricted to just two people, except if people live together in which case the entire household are free to hang out together. Or funerals, which can have up to 10 people. Or weddings, which can have up to five people.

They've asked people to stay indoors and not go out except for absolutely essential reasons. The example the prime minister gave of an essential reason to leave the house was ............. and I'm not making this up .............. going to the store to buy jigsaw puzzles.


Edit: but they did also place a 6 month moratorium on evicting tenants for missing rent due to financial hardship so that's something


Here in Australia the big-box Bunnings hardware stores are still open because they sell cleaning supplies plus builders still need building supplies to finish people's houses plus regular people still need to make repairs if something in their house breaks down, but it turns out that the general public have also been flocking there to stock up on random hardware & gardening supplies out of boredom. The store managers have started limiting the number of people they allow inside the store at the same time but that's resulted in MASSIVE crowded lines that go around the block:


They've also been bringing the whole family including their kids and treating it like a fun excursion and the staff are freaking out

Here's an article about it:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/bunnings-packed-despite-coronavirus-warnings-20200328-p54eud.html

Alan Smithee posted:

reading about surface lifespans, it can live for days on steel/plastic but copper kills it quick. Is there any accessible material better than copper?

Molentik posted:

Lol, according to Dutch media almost half of the 1.3 million facemasks that were donated to the country by China are faulty and can't be used.

That's enough facemasks to supply all the ICU's in the Netherlands for about a month, just as we are probably going to hit our peak in the coming weeks...

Alan Smithee posted:

reading about surface lifespans, it can live for days on steel/plastic but copper kills it quick. Is there any accessible material better than copper?

Alan Smithee posted:

reading about surface lifespans, it can live for days on steel/plastic but copper kills it quick. Is there any accessible material better than copper?

JK Fresco posted:

"Quick" being hours.

Why? Are you building a suit?

JK Fresco posted:

And like 70% of the covid tests they supplied also don't work.

JK Fresco posted:

"Quick" being hours.

Why? Are you building a suit?

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Home isolation is meaning that people are having to cut their own hair for the first time ever and the results are finally starting to get posted to the internet






More: https://imgur.com/gallery/ZfoQsMT


My google image search for 100% soap clothing had very disappointing results

Alan Smithee posted:

i'm thinking about shaving mine bald

Son of Rodney posted:

Currently arguing with a friend who went out to enjoy the nice weather yesterday, taking public transport for one hour each way to go to a wood in the other side of the city. People had been posting pictures of this wood full of people, thousands even. He doesn't seem to think it's a big deal.

Son of Rodney posted:

posting pictures of this wood full of people, thousands even.

Son of Rodney posted:

Currently arguing with a friend who went out to enjoy the nice weather yesterday, taking public transport for one hour each way to go to a wood in the other side of the city. People had been posting pictures of this wood full of people, thousands even. He doesn't seem to think it's a big deal.

Alan Smithee posted:

i'm thinking about shaving mine bald

PederP posted:

They do work - they just have a poor sensitivity. Once the false negative rate has been determined, such tests are still useful by running multiple tests for the same person. That's not uncommon practice even for very good tests.

Test with 10% false negative: 2 tests yield 1% false negatives
Test with 30% false negative: 3 tests yield 2.7% false negatives
Test with 50% false negative: 5 tests yield 3.1% false negatives
Test with 70% false negative: 9 tests yield 4% false negatives

So the bad tests massively reduce test capacity (as 1000 kits might only be able to test 100 individuals) - but they're still usable. This means they're probably overpriced, but if they were donated and test personnel are available (ie do not have any other tests available), it's still a net benefit to have those tests.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Here in Australia the big-box Bunnings hardware stores are still open because they sell cleaning supplies plus builders still need building supplies to finish people's houses plus regular people still need to make repairs if something in their house breaks down, but it turns out that the general public have also been flocking there to stock up on random hardware & gardening supplies out of boredom. The store managers have started limiting the number of people they allow inside the store at the same time but that's resulted in MASSIVE crowded lines that go around the block:


They've also been bringing the whole family including their kids and treating it like a fun excursion and the staff are freaking out

Here's an article about it:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/bunnings-packed-despite-coronavirus-warnings-20200328-p54eud.html

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Home isolation is meaning that people are having to cut their own hair for the first time ever and the results are finally starting to get posted to the internet

colas posted:

His what now?

MarcusSA posted:

Your “friend” is a huge idiot.

QuarkJets posted:

Link your friend to videos of people in Italy begging Americans to take this more seriously

Son of Rodney posted:

?

I meant he went to a wood that was overrun by people getting "out for a bit", with over a thousand people running around there. This is photo someone on reddit posted. Grunewald in Berlin for context.




Yeah, I'm trying to get him to understand this without seeming like a panicked loon. He also went to work every day (with the subway) because he thinks homeoffice is not as productive.


Maybe I should