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Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

Слава Україні!

dex_sda posted:

is there any celeb chef who isn't a raging rear end in a top hat?

RIP Bourdain

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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

he was pro intervention in libya and an obama imperialism worshipper, so no

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

Taintrunner posted:

he was pro intervention in libya and an obama imperialism worshipper, so no

he was no angel

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


dex_sda posted:

is there any celeb chef who isn't a raging rear end in a top hat?

guy fieri

quote:

Guy Fieri teamed up with the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation on Friday to launch the Restaurant Employee Relief Fund. The campaign associated with the fund will raise money to give one-time $500 grants to impacted workers as soon as April. To donate or apply, go to rerf.us.

https://people.com/food/guy-fieri-launches-relief-fund-to-give-500-checks-to-restaurant-workers-affected-by-coronavirus/

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
yeah it's actually pretty funny how guy fieri is the most loathed but seems to be actually helping people when a crisis hits

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Taintrunner posted:

yeah it's actually pretty funny how guy fieri is the most loathed but seems to be actually helping people when a crisis hits

He is the fabled "learns something outside his normal worldview and adjusts his way of thinking to fit this new information" unicorn.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

PhilippAchtel posted:

Unfortunately, there are systemic forces that prevent the pawns from attacking the ruling class that stands behind them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztc7o0NzFrE

2reachmu
Jul 30, 2005

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SUCCESS
STORY

RE: health insurance bailout. I feel as though, if they were to get a bailout that would probably be the last straw for a lot of folks.

Despite the talking point of liking plan/keeping plan. Nobody actually likes their insurance company. I would posit that they in fact loathe their insurance company. Everyone knows at least 3 people who have been hosed over or have been hosed over themselves. At a certain point, I would think, it would be impossible to prop up a system that at it's core is gate-keeping your health for profit.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
So I hear y'all are setting up an emergency COVID hospital in Central Park.

This isn't how we wanted people to die in Central Park. You're doing it wrong.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


PhilippAchtel posted:

Unfortunately, there are systemic forces that prevent the pawns from attacking the ruling class that stands behind them.

just gotta goad them forward

khazar sansculotte
May 14, 2004

Orange Devil posted:

So I hear y'all are setting up an emergency COVID hospital in Central Park.

This isn't how we wanted people to die in Central Park. You're doing it wrong.

Gotta crack a few eggs.

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

Peanut President posted:

Go, to the polls

:golfclap:

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

i was hoping for curse of fenric not gonna lie

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

https://www.forbes.com/sites/clarye...at-coronavirus/

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost
José Andres set up a organization that goes to natural disaster sights and provides free meals.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Orange Devil posted:

So I hear y'all are setting up an emergency COVID hospital in Central Park.

This isn't how we wanted people to die in Central Park. You're doing it wrong.

Post-crisis it will be easy to convert that field hospital into an open air zoo where we can go and pelt billionaires with spoiled fruits

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Failed Imagineer posted:

Post-crisis it will be easy to convert that field hospital into an open air zoo where we can go and pelt billionaires with spoiled fruits

I’ve got a durian in the freezer. :getin:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

2reachmu posted:

RE: health insurance bailout. I feel as though, if they were to get a bailout that would probably be the last straw for a lot of folks.

Despite the talking point of liking plan/keeping plan. Nobody actually likes their insurance company. I would posit that they in fact loathe their insurance company. Everyone knows at least 3 people who have been hosed over or have been hosed over themselves. At a certain point, I would think, it would be impossible to prop up a system that at it's core is gate-keeping your health for profit.

But look, Italy has socialized medicine and their system is nearly collapsing right now! In Venezuela they ate a rat once I heard! Gosh, capitalism's not perfect, but it's the best system we have!!!

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



https://twitter.com/Bertovo/status/1244211031246688258

Kevos Setzer
Dec 1, 2004

I can transform, right?

I know this is a radical idea, but what if the states had this centralized government that could negotiate collectively on their behalf, and then dole out the equipment and supplies as the states need them?

When the history books talk about the breakup of the United States, this needs to be a key talking point.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/David_Moscrop/status/1244282804818640896

also
https://twitter.com/Manda_like_wine/status/1244602911084154880

ekuNNN has issued a correction as of 19:27 on Mar 30, 2020

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Zuckerberg net worth 55 billion.

Gates net worth 99 billion.

25 million of 154 billion = 0,016%

Grimdude
Sep 25, 2006

It was a shame how he carried on
Yeah but that fraction of a percent is plenty enough to convince millions of people to keep licking them boots.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Orange Devil posted:

Zuckerberg net worth 55 billion.

Gates net worth 99 billion.

25 million of 154 billion = 0,016%

Ah so the tweet is typical fake news, it's the equivalent of an pair of average American households teaming up to buy a nurse something ~$15 idk how much poo poo costs in the US. That'd probably get you at least a large pizza or something right?

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Can we discuss hazard pay? I've seen a number of news items with groups pushing for it, and I have no desire to take wind out of their sails, but something about it has never sat right with me.

My issue is that, and I'm trying to word this in the least succ way possible, it feels like hazard pay turns a safe working environment into a commodity that gets bought and sold for a given price rather than a right. Hazard pay gives companies the option to settle the question with a small pay bump, while glossing over any substantive changes to make the workplace actually safer. You buy off the radical elements within your workforce, and job's done.

Now, I understand that this is a capitalist economy, everything is a commodity, and at some level you just have to accept that. I also understand that sometimes hazards simply cannot be alleviated without closing the workplace. So, I'm not against the idea of a pay bump to compensate for that. And as far as the fight for hazard pay can be used to build an organization that leads to unionization down the line, I support it.

If there's another thread this would belong in, I'll post it there.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

no, hazard pay is what you get for facing the inherent risks that can’t be mitigated effectively. paying it out doesn’t have to change the requirements on making it as safe as possible as well

which comes to enforcement, so ymmv in our glorious 2020, but hazard pay isn’t inherently incompatible with safe workplaces

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Yeah you don't get to just pay hazard pay instead of following OSHA rules or something, it's to compensate for the fact that some jobs are just goddamn dangerous no matter how much PPE you wear.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

PhilippAchtel posted:

Can we discuss hazard pay? I've seen a number of news items with groups pushing for it, and I have no desire to take wind out of their sails, but something about it has never sat right with me.

My issue is that, and I'm trying to word this in the least succ way possible, it feels like hazard pay turns a safe working environment into a commodity that gets bought and sold for a given price rather than a right. Hazard pay gives companies the option to settle the question with a small pay bump, while glossing over any substantive changes to make the workplace actually safer. You buy off the radical elements within your workforce, and job's done.

hazard pay isn't about safety, it's about the basic principle that if a job is important enough to be sent to work in a fuckin pandemic then it's important enough to get paid more than usual

obviously safety stuff should come as well, but there's also a sense that when they signed up for the job and accepted the salary, they didn't think it was gonna involve disease hazards. also, now that the job is dangerous, it's a lot harder for companies to replace the employees, who therefore have a lot more bargaining power to push for more pay

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.
Ideally hazard pay should provide incentive to improve conditions so the employer can avoid paying out. To do so there needs to be a comparable cost between reducing the threat and the additional payroll. How often that happens, though...YMMV.

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1244549078857453568

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

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Uhh those don't seem far enough apart.

Shame Vegas doesn't have any empty rooms right about now.

loopsheloop
Oct 22, 2010




"Basically, it would be chaos."

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Landlords can have a little chaos, as a treat.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

loopsheloop posted:





"Basically, it would be chaos."

"Your owners"

lol

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



loopsheloop posted:





"Basically, it would be chaos."

Flippant answer: Good

Less flippant: I don't see the downside. Seems like with the management company out of the way, the tenants could come together to take over the role as an autonomous union. And it removes a level of obfuscation between the tenants and the actual owners and gives the new union a way to negotiate directly with the landlord.

Yeah, I can't really find a downside.

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
I like how the first part is that the tenant pays rent, not that the owner provides a safe and habitable place to live

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

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They make it sound like landlords actually do repairs under normal circumstances.

Goon Boots
Feb 2, 2020


Taintrunner posted:

he was pro intervention in libya and an obama imperialism worshipper, so no

This was always funny to me, because I remember one No Reservations episode was in Laos, and half of it was him being all torn up about the massive bombing campaigns the US conducted during the Vietnam War and how the people there still feel its effects today.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Main Paineframe posted:

hazard pay isn't about safety, it's about the basic principle that if a job is important enough to be sent to work in a fuckin pandemic then it's important enough to get paid more than usual

obviously safety stuff should come as well, but there's also a sense that when they signed up for the job and accepted the salary, they didn't think it was gonna involve disease hazards. also, now that the job is dangerous, it's a lot harder for companies to replace the employees, who therefore have a lot more bargaining power to push for more pay

I am currently arguing just this in several threads across the forums and in real life.

It shocking how many people consider it "being crass and greedy" to want to be compensated for the increase in risk inherent in working with the public during a global pandemic.


People have had it drilled into their heads all their lives that it is somehow shameful to stand up for themselves and demand fair compensation for their labour.

Megillah Gorilla has issued a correction as of 07:05 on Mar 31, 2020

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Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Uhh those don't seem far enough apart.

Shame Vegas doesn't have any empty rooms right about now.

"Doors closed. Hearts open."
-- every Stations brand casino in Vegas right now

Some more:

https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1244700056151867392

quote:

Before coronavirus landed in the global spotlight, the city had begun cracking down on people living outdoors. In November, the city council approved a law that made sitting, resting or “lodging” on sidewalks a misdemeanor punishable with up to six months in jail or fines of up to $1,000 in most neighborhoods.

While the mayor, Carolyn Goodman, said the city’s “entire effort is humanitarian and compassionate”, housing advocates worried that the “no lodging” convictions would haunt people for the rest of their lives.


E:

quote:

Matthew O'Brien, founder of Shine A Light and author of "Beneath the Neon," said the people at Cashman Center are not able to practice social distancing and need to be in separate rooms as well as have immediate access to a proper restroom.

The City of Las Vegas said clients had access to restrooms at the nearby Homeless Courtyard, about a half-mile away.
:wtc:

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