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GET INTO DA CHOPPA posted:Am I the only one who thinks the melee combat in this game is a bit tame compared to Mordhau? What's the point of sweatlord grade combat physics when it's 200v200 in an open field, or guys just getting smacked while trying to climb a ladder, or armies of all cavalry etc. Or what about if you just want to be a general but never get your hands dirty? Or play as a trader? Mordhau is a distinctly different style of game and its combat physics reflect that. I'm glad I don't have to practice chambering and feinting and running numbers on spreadsheets to enjoy Mount and Blade. I do like Mordhau but comparing the two feels pointless. Kibbles n Shits fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Plus, while I also like the complexity of Mordhau melee combat, there's some parts of M&B combat that are more complex such as the physics based damage and the way you won't oneshot someone with a spear if they're hugging you.
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Mar 31, 2020 20:47
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About the only time I can fight is if I'm in a siege and our guys have mostly taken the wall and I can get behind them with a big long axe or a pike and just poke people over their heads.
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GET INTO DA CHOPPA posted:Am I the only one who thinks the melee combat in this game is a bit tame compared to Mordhau? I was comparing to Kingdom Come earlier and this is definitely more forgiving than that at least. Like in KCD, you really really have to practice the combat system to just not die to a peasant attacking you with a piece of wood. I think the biggest problem is that a lot of people really never played with directional blocking in Mount and Blade before and suddenly they all have to learn it at once. In theory you could not even know it exists under a lot of circumstances if you just played with it off. Hell, you could barely understand how the AI blocking worked if you were just an Archer or prioritized using weapons with "smash through blocks" traits.
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Mar 31, 2020 20:56
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Fleetwood Crack posted:At first I struggled with how to balance doing the main quest against being part of a faction and making money to support my 50+ army, because when you're paying 200+ gold per day you really need to be constantly raiding caravans and towns. if you talk to nobles (actual nobles) to ask them about it they'll tell you "well so and so might know" and then you can gradually zone in on their location by the encyclopedia.
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Mar 31, 2020 20:57
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Bulling Vlandians with a mostly infantry Empire party is great and works because the archer circle formation fits exactly inside the infantry circle formation  I wish I had this for the Rhodoks I used to roll with in Warband
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Mar 31, 2020 21:01
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Vlandians seem like they're kind of successor rhodoks with crossbows and pikes.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:06
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It's just not quite the same now that they're smushed in with the Swadians and the aesthetic is back in time a few hundred years. I was happy to learn that unlike in multiplayer the Empire has crossbow sergeants though and that's scratching the itch right now e: New patch is up! "Taleworlds posted:Versions Generation Internet fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Mar 31, 2020 21:12
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For some reason nobody seems to use pike infantry which is really weird given that 1. horses are massively more powerful now and 2. spears are massively good against horses cos they stop them dead with a poke.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:15
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If there's one thing from Mordhau I wish was in M&B it's the billhook because dragging people off their horses is never not amusing to me.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:18
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Moonshine Rhyme posted:The game already has a simplistic combat system, I didn't think so many people liked playing it on an even easier mode. I play games like this because I want to charge around pretty scenery on a horse and imagine I'm a medieval warrior. My ability to imagine this is spoilt when I can't even move my shield sideways. Difficulty sucks, especially when it's just 'can you move fingers on modern device quickly', not anything to do with the game content.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:20
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So far I’ve gotten a lot better at the melee combat but tapping the mouse in the direction I wanna attack with, then holding down LMB to charge the attack. It really is like a rhythm game in a sense. I haven’t had to worry about being precise with the shield as much, as long as it meets the business end of the enemy’s weapon before it hits you you’ll be fine.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:26
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I just reall really want to be able to hold down block and then choose the direction. Am I in a corona fever dream or was that not how manual block worked in the first games?
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Mar 31, 2020 21:29
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Can you just not craft axes? I can make other stuff but it tells me I don't have all the components when I try to make an axe.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:30
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Night10194 posted:Can you just not craft axes? I can make other stuff but it tells me I don't have all the components when I try to make an axe. I think that there might be a bug where you need to unlock new parts before you can, it doesn't seem to recognize the ones you start with.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:32
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I've literally never played a character who didn't use a shield so I can leave directional blocking on to get to sweet spot at 78% difficulty in Warband., as an aside directional blocking in this with a shield doesn't also blocks wherever you move the shield to block, just generally not the opposite direction. I don't think I understand how to fight dudes beyond wait for them to hit your shield (now with directional blocking!) and then hit them back though. Jukin' and jivin' behind trees while poppin shots too, that's fun. Are you guys who say it's like Warband MP players or something though? the combat feels way different, even if the animations are similar. Even at 1/3rd damage to your character it's hard not to die all the time, and the guy who mentioned archers leading you now is right on. I've totally been relying on that to draw fire from my main force and do little raids into archer lines in my games and even vs. forest bandits they just shoot your mount and also you and you're lucky to get among them without taking a lot of damage and even then they're way better at not getting hit and hitting you back. Haven't made it too far yet, just like level 5 so I'm reserving judgment but so far it seems like there's a shift from killing a bunch of random mobs for your starting xp to doing quests mainly? It just feels like it takes forever to level guys and god I hope the medicine perks are good because surgery may have been broken but it made high level stacks viable. I will say that I do not appreciate having to spend hours catching up to random group of looters even with like 10 horses in my inventory and +10% campaign movement set. Edit: I would also appreciate if I didn't have to load a city and then load back into the world map every time I want to talk to someone. Ixtlilton fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Mar 31, 2020 21:34
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So there is no way to cross bodies of water without bridges etc right? This makes the war that Sturgia and Vlandia have impossible to happen because neither sides AI seems to leave its terretory and travel through Battania.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:41
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So far game is immensely enjoyable! I just wish they didn't put cheat engine protection in for character screen, just let me play Bannerlord version of "1000 stat man" you jerks 
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Mar 31, 2020 21:45
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alex314 posted:So far game is immensely enjoyable! I just wish they didn't put cheat engine protection in for character screen, just let me play Bannerlord version of "1000 stat man" you jerks Warband had a thing where you could export your character to a text file and then edit your stats. Is there no Bannerlord equivalent? I liked doing that too tbh
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Mar 31, 2020 21:46
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I mean, you can still cheat somewhat with the game's cheat mode. (Gotta go mess with an .ini file and change cheat_mode =0 to 1) You can only really do ctrl+h to heal yourself and ctrl+f4 to slap a few dudes with blunt damage. Oh, and opening your inventory screen lets you take every item in the game if you want. It's kinda weird.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:55
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Ixtlilton posted:I will say that I do not appreciate having to spend hours catching up to random group of looters even with like 10 horses in my inventory Are those pack horses or actual mounts? IIRC there is a difference.
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Mar 31, 2020 21:59
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Do we have any monster factory character creation results yet?
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Mar 31, 2020 22:00
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Ainsley McTree posted:Warband had a thing where you could export your character to a text file and then edit your stats. Is there no Bannerlord equivalent? I liked doing that too tbh I hope that comes eventually. I made a good "starter" character to import when I wanted a game but wanted to skip the early grind.
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Mar 31, 2020 22:00
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Are those pack horses or actual mounts? IIRC there is a difference. idk, some random horses I picked up because I heard you needed horses to go fast. Do mules help? I have some mules. Also I'm curious if anyone's gotten far enough that they kinda have a feel for gameflow? Like in Warband there was a clear plan for me where it was get a full group of dudes -> get them leveled enough to take on sea raiders -> get gear and wander the map murdering and picking up heroes for a month or so -> join a faction -> take a city -> work towards poo poo tons of honor throughout so you can plan your rebellion. Obviously I don't expect beyond the first few of those but I'm genuinely curious if it still goes level up dudes then go sea raiders and if so how.
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Mar 31, 2020 22:03
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Pharnakes posted:I just reall really want to be able to hold down block and then choose the direction. Am I in a corona fever dream or was that not how manual block worked in the first games? It's the corona. For blocking direction you should start by moving your mouse cleanly in the direction then pressing block during that movement. If you made a mistake, you can flick the mouse again and release + repress the block button quickly to change it. For a basic practice try cycling through your blocks in a set pattern like left block -> right block -> up block -> down block (repeat forever). It should get you up to speed pretty quickly.
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Mar 31, 2020 22:11
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Since tournaments/arena melee don't give you proficiency, is there any good way of repeatedly only fighting a couple dudes at a time to raise proficiency? I guess maybe flank around the edges of a fight and try to peel a couple dudes off then get off your horse or something? (I have a hard time hitting them from horse with 1h unless I'm just standing still and that's not really fun)
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Mar 31, 2020 22:20
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One thing that's loving me right now with directional blocking is tying it into footwork. When someone comes at me with an overhead, I naturally try to sidestep while also tracking them with my camera. Of course, this mouse movement sets my block direction to whatever side I'm moving, which isn't great if the attack ends up connecting.
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Mar 31, 2020 22:22
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ughhhh posted:So there is no way to cross bodies of water without bridges etc right? This makes the war that Sturgia and Vlandia have impossible to happen because neither sides AI seems to leave its terretory and travel through Battania. This seems to be the map's biggest oversight. Navigating it is a huge pain.
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Mar 31, 2020 22:39
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So when the game says horses improve foot troop speed I guess they mean "not sumpter horses" which seem to just be pure pack animals?
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Mar 31, 2020 22:50
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OwlFancier posted:If you want to level up your troops faster, I find it's better to do Send Troops rather than fight battles yourself, especailly against looters, your troops get way more XP that way. I tried that and yeah that is way faster. Good tip. OwlFancier posted:For some reason nobody seems to use pike infantry which is really weird given that 1. horses are massively more powerful now and 2. spears are massively good against horses cos they stop them dead with a poke. The empire does actually have a pike unit, the menavliaton. Ixtlilton posted:idk, some random horses I picked up because I heard you needed horses to go fast. Do mules help? I have some mules. Mules and sumpters increase your inventory capacity but you need other horses to actually make your foot troops faster.
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Mar 31, 2020 23:03
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Speaking of going faster on the map, does scouting or riding skill help your party go faster? The descriptions feel less clear than warband.
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Mar 31, 2020 23:11
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How do I take over towns?
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Voyager I posted:One thing that's loving me right now with directional blocking is tying it into footwork. When someone comes at me with an overhead, I naturally try to sidestep while also tracking them with my camera. Of course, this mouse movement sets my block direction to whatever side I'm moving, which isn't great if the attack ends up connecting. The overhead block input also seems easily overridden into a side block input by some horizontal mouse movement. I think the lower vertical than horizontal sensitivity scaling is causing that to some extent.
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Mar 31, 2020 23:24
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Generation Internet posted:Capped daily workshop income at 200. Ouch, that is a harsh harsh nerf.
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Mar 31, 2020 23:27
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Game good so far. Only one hardlock bug and a few funny placeholder texts, but the UI is so much better than Warband in 95% of places. Few small things are annoying, chasing people down is still a pain and you should be able to direct your clan parties on where to go before you become a kingdom, but once you hit that point it gets a lot better. My Spirit Otter posted:How do I take over towns? You can take over cities and castles by successfully winning a siege. Villages themselves give passive tax income through those places and can only be directly looted. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Mar 31, 2020 23:37
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Should I load my saved game with different modules? Not sure if this is going to gently caress up my save somehow...
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Mar 31, 2020 23:40
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What's the best way to train troops? My recruits don't survive battles
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Mar 31, 2020 23:44
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Phi230 posted:What's the best way to train troops? My recruits don't survive battles Looters never actually kill anything in auto-battle, which is why they're great for training.
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minchar posted:Ouch, that is a harsh harsh nerf. Especially since you could only have 3 already. Feeling kinda glad now that my first character got a super good string of luck with a woodcrafters and now has excessive amounts of money. e: I see that they fixed the crash bug with beating up criminals in alleys but I wasn't able to actually hold those areas/take ownership even with a bunch of recruited looters. Is there a writeup yet on criminal gameplay? Also the game doesn't tell you and it's pretty obvious in hindsight, but press alt for an overlay of where troops and locations are. It's great. Anticheese fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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How is this with controller? My wife can't play M+KB games because of carpal tunnel but can play on controller, I'm assuming that archery is tough but melee is doable? How is the interface to use generally in single player?
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