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How are u posted:These guys always fall back to accelerationism because they are not vulnerable, they have not materially suffered under Trump, and while they will insist they're true leftists and comrades their actions and rhetoric demonstrate that they're more than happy to accept the suffering of the vulnerable if it lines up with their ideology. hm yes it's the supporters of the candidate that leads among poor people that are pampered and protected from right wing policies, and not the well off boomers that dragged their carcasses to the voting boots because muh taxes and muh boring president
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also i just want to say that while i am firmly on the "gently caress the libs, gently caress the democrat party, do not vote for Joe Biden" side, i feel like people are being unfair to Archonex they at least have a coherent point and i get where they're coming from, don't lump them in with How are u
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Archonex posted:What you're proposing in the context of protest voting in this scenario is basically accelerationism. quote:And contrary to your assertions I am not throwing a tantrum. quote:I'm pissed off that you people would happily throw even more innocent people under the bus to score a petty and ultimately meaningless win against Boomers (In Jewel's own words.) and the centrists. Both of which aren't even loving capable of thinking of people like us except in condescending terms! And what the gently caress is the point of being progressive if you're not actually wanting to protect people and make their lives better? It's the goddamn point of it. Realignment is difficult and painful. It can be less painful than the death spiral progressive Democratic politics has been in since the Carter administration. quote:You can sure as poo poo suck it up and vote for that rear end in a top hat in the general and work to turn the party into something effective and decent that represents the voters at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive goals.
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Archonex posted:I'm sure the people protest voting for Trump or not voting for Biden if he wins the democratic primary will be perfectly happy with how LGBT and other minorities are going to get legislatively genocided back into hiding (if not out of existence in some states) if Trump wins a second term. Archonex posted:whataboutism's. Archonex posted:But it's pretty clear the folks posting in this thread don't give a poo poo and are set on the path of purity politics quote:So given that all i'll do is risk a mod getting super butt hurt over a trans person calling some people out for their hypocrisy and tell you to go suck a fat one Archonex posted:These strawmen are getting ridiculous. And I hope to gently caress neither you or any of the shitbirds that keep falling back on fallacies ever end up knowing what it feels like to literally not be able to feel safe in the country you live in any more because some Republicans decided you weren't a human being. In the meantime, i'll invite the fair weather hypocrites in this thread to suck my rear end. Archonex posted:Also, thanks for proving me right about a lot of the people in this conversation being assholes. Someone makes a ridiculous post about becoming some sort of Final Fantasy boss and I retort with something along a different line while also expressing my past frustrations with the same sort of Democrats we're both against and you just start crying about self-inserts. I'm loving done. Enjoy screwing over me and my friends. poo poo like this is why so many of the posters in TMR have rolled their eyes when they hear the topic of politics and this forum come up.
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Archonex posted:Also, thanks for proving me right about a lot of the people in this conversation being assholes. Someone makes a ridiculous post about becoming some sort of Final Fantasy boss and I retort with something along a different line Lol
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RottenK posted:also i just want to say that while i am firmly on the "gently caress the libs, gently caress the democrat party, do not vote for Joe Biden" side, i feel like people are being unfair to Archonex Archonex is going to have a redemption arc. I guarantee it
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No really, who is the "communist woman" running for president
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RBA Starblade posted:No really, who is the "communist woman" running for president Gloria La Riva
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Jewel Repetition posted:Gloria La Riva Evil is evil, lesser, greater, middling - makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary, the definition blurred. If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all.
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Geralt would absolutely be NO*JOE. The tag is even the same colors as his coat of arms
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Guys, I need help. My resistance is breaking down. If one more complete stranger scolds me, I might have to vote for Joe Biden. Pull me back from the brink.
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Halloween Jack posted:Guys, I need help. My resistance is breaking down. If one more complete stranger scolds me, I might have to vote for Joe Biden. Pull me back from the brink. Breaking down before they offer you any concessions at all is how you don't get any progress at all. Make them earn your vote
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Halloween Jack posted:Guys, I need help. My resistance is breaking down. If one more complete stranger scolds me, I might have to vote for Joe Biden. Pull me back from the brink. Gain steadfast strength by posting here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3916038
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Jewel Repetition posted:Gloria La Riva Thanks I'll look into who that is
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Jewel Repetition posted:Gloria La Riva Not sufficiently Maoist for my tastes, but I知 not picky.
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RBA Starblade posted:Thanks I'll look into who that is Via LaRivaPeltier2020.org quote:★ 1 | Make the essentials of life into constitutional rights She's A ML. The vice pres candidate is a native American and a political prisoner for 40+ years.
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Halloween Jack posted:Guys, I need help. My resistance is breaking down. If one more complete stranger scolds me, I might have to vote for Joe Biden. Pull me back from the brink. What if i told you that you bernie bros are very rude!
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Via LaRivaPeltier2020.org
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Someone compared the current liberals to 2007 era conservatives and it really seems spot on. Hell, it's probably a good chunk of the same people. Republicans already completely discarded their version of  after Trump proved they didn't need it. But for liberals, is literally all they have, even though the Republicans are demonstrably able to strangle them with it.
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no Democrats know who La Riva is, but they do know who the greens are, and it値l trigger them to have the (((Russian))) party get so many voters. Get them over 5% and we値l have a third party.
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Voting green seems like the best option by far, can you imagine how furious the succdems would be to see them get 5%? It could be the beginning of the end for the Democrats, even if it is really unlikely. I'm pretty sure their candidate isn't a rapist, so that's nice.
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Lol congratulations Democrats, you've gotten people seriously considering third party votes in the US of A It cannot be understated just how much you've screwed the pooch. A Biden candidacy is unsalvageable. Your party is dead.
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:
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PawParole posted:no Democrats know who La Riva is, but they do know who the greens are, and it値l trigger them to have the (((Russian))) party get so many voters. Yeah, I like La Riva more than Howie Hawkins, but if the Greens manage to get over 5%, then it would be worth it. Vote Green. The look on Maddow痴 face if the Greens get over 5% would be worth it alone.
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oh hey, a drew magary article that's 100% on point https://gen.medium.com/no-one-should-want-a-return-to-normalcy-a1091120d7d8
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Uncle Wemus posted:Biden campaigned for a Republican against a progressive in michigan. That alone should have been enough to convince people hes worthless but alas. If he wins you can bet on him doing more of that and shifting things even further to the right. It is incredible how much of reality pro-biden people have to ignore to make their arguments. If Republicans are evil and destroying the world, then wow Biden's willingness to campaign for them against Democrats should really be disqualifying.
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Trabisnikof posted:It is incredible how much of reality pro-biden people have to ignore to make their arguments. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html Dont vote out too many Republicans!
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is it possible for the Greens to run Bernie? Because the Greens should totally run Bernie
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I do kinda want to see what Pokemon the "Bernie isn't a real Democrat" people transform into when they digest that one
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Venomous posted:is it possible for the Greens to run Bernie? Because the Greens should totally run Bernie He wouldn't accept that nomination
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Biden supporters really aren't acting like they have this in the bag anywhere near as much as they say they do. I think they're getting louder and more vitriolic to drown out the inner voice telling them they've made a big mistake. Remember Romney's 47% comment? Biden's career consists entirely of those. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Apr 2, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/JayCarney/status/1245552664244621312?s=20 https://twitter.com/libbycwatson/status/1245578102413000704?s=20 I won't stand with Obama minions ever again, Biden's will be worse.. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Apr 2, 2020 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Biden supporters really aren't acting like they have this in the bag anywhere near as much as they say they do. I think they're getting louder and more vitriolic to drown out the inner voice telling them they've made a big mistake. It's almost like running a candidate that nobody's excited about, whose support base consists exclusively of people who would have voted for you anyway and whose career is one long list of slaps in the face of the people that you actually need to convince is a bad idea if you're trying to win. Of course the Dem establishment doesn't give a poo poo about winning, but the fanboy brigade are in for a rude surprise.
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donating blood arguably has a greater positive effect on the world than voting blue no matter who. despite that, there is no demonstrable clique that treats you like demon spawn for failing to donate blood like there is for people who don't vote. i wonder why that is?
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For the people who talk about lesser evil, here are the democratic solutions to the crisis so far: - Joe Biden has followed Trump in blaming China, and the only difference is that Biden claims that he would have forced China to let in American specialists early in the pandemic - Andrew Cuomo has a budget deal to cut medicaid spending while they increase the budget for prisons and district attorneys as they roll back bail reform. While the state is deep in a budget hole, the cuts to medicaid were made necessary because Cuomo ruled out any sort of tax increase on the wealthy. - Pelosi's bold new stimulus idea is to retroactively lift the cap on state and local tax deductions, something where about 94% of beneficiaries make at least 100k. Now, I am sure someone is going to barge in to say that the republicans are somehow worse. But keep in mind that the above ideas have been met with either indifference and support from liberals.
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Mellow Seas posted:There is value in discussing the moral question of how bad the "better" candidate can be before they're no longer worth voting for, but it seems to me that this thread has become about "will Biden be better than Trump?", which is not a moral question. We're all just guessing about Biden is going to do, so maybe we shouldn't judge people on a moral level because they have a different opinion on that particular prognostication. There are legitimate arguments to be made that Biden will be significantly better, and arguments that he won't (and I think those arguments are actually being put forth pretty well on both sides). Only one side here is characterized by demanding behavior from other people. The "vote blue no matter who" side is condemning others for not being willing to vote for Biden, while the people who aren't willing to vote for Biden are rarely actually condemning people for making the personal choice to vote for him as some sort of dubious harm reduction measure. Put another way, "there are reasonable arguments both in favor and against the idea that Trump would be worse overall than Biden" is effectively an argument against the people who are demanding that other people support Biden (because their argument relies on the idea that it's some extremely obvious axiomatic truth that Trump is a net harm compared with Biden).
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Well now that we're deep in this crisis, surely the Biden camp will be making responsible statements about how states should respo- biden's campaign is willing to kill democrats in order to win this primary are people still gonna come in here and say "vote blue no matter who"? it was hardly defensible when it came out joe was a rapist, but now he's just straight out choosing to kill people cause a later primary might not turn out as well for him this fuckstain has a choice between later primary and dead democrats and he's choosing dead democrats. he'd gladly crawl over your loving corpse if it'd put him closer to the presidency. does anyone still have the guts or stomach to defend blindly voting for this shithead in the general?
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Ytlaya posted:Only one side here is characterized by demanding behavior from other people. The "vote blue no matter who" side is condemning others for not being willing to vote for Biden, while the people who aren't willing to vote for Biden are rarely actually condemning people for making the personal choice to vote for him as some sort of dubious harm reduction measure.
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there isnt a loving hope in hell that if i were american that id vote for biden or even The Rat, and yet it's extremely conceivable that it could've covid-21 or whatever and i feel like no matter how much i hate biden, the democrats, etc - their response to this wouldnt have been as catastrophic as trumps. coming from a scumbag fake leftist govt in BC that had a lovely but vastly superior response, i genuinely cant complete square away what i think the acceleration effect of a biden presidency would be vs the uh, hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths you guys are gonna suffer soon edit; i guess a reasonable comeback to cast doubt on whether or not biden would actually be better is a quick gander at the people the democrats are wontonly murdering by trying to get people to vote now instead of later and i feel like they (obviously) do not give a poo poo about people dying, but do care at least a bit about the optics of fully ignoring a crisis. no state had a good reply to coronavirus, but i think theres a pretty measurable difference between blue and red run states on average Verviticus fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Apr 3, 2020 |
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Verviticus posted:there isnt a loving hope in hell that if i were american that id vote for biden or even The Rat, and yet it's extremely conceivable that it could've covid-21 or whatever and i feel like no matter how much i hate biden, the democrats, etc - their response to this wouldnt have been as catastrophic as trumps. coming from a scumbag fake leftist govt in BC that had a lovely but vastly superior response, i genuinely cant complete square away what i think the acceleration effect of a biden presidency would be vs the uh, hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths you guys are gonna suffer soon The ugly reality is that while the optics of the Covid response might be better under a Democrat, the substance would be largely the same. At this point in history both of our parties are staunch free market adherents. In the world of just in time inventory in a for profit medical system, excess hospital beds and caches of medical supplies on hand are considered "waste". The Democrats would be just as loathe to suspend capitalism by invoking the Defense Production Act to force companies to produce ventilators as the Republicans are but they might do it less racistly. At the end of the day the free market views any public assistance or reduction in profit margins as verboten and the only solution it is willing to accept is mass graves.
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