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twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
https://twitter.com/arentvn/status/1244884437374046214?s=19

:corona:

The genocide of the elderly is in full swing in Holland thanks to our world-renowned system of death panels

quote:


Why the Netherlands has few IC beds compared to other countries

The limited IC capacity in the Netherlands is mainly due to the limited admission of elderly or vulnerable patients. In the Netherlands, the emphasis is on quality of life, not on extending the lifespan of every patient as long as possible, explains Marianne Brackel. She is chairman of the patient organization IC-Connect.

Dutch doctors try to avoid "pointless medical action", as Brackel calls it. "If the chance of recovery is small, palliative care, ie pain relief, is chosen at a different location."

'Centenarians also deserve care'
Certainly not all countries follow that reasoning. For many Italian doctors, for example, the Dutch approach is unthinkable. "I am totally against age discrimination in healthcare," said Paolo Falaschi, emeritus professor of geriatrics from Rome. "I think it is reprehensible to say: this patient is already 100 years old, he uses a lot of medicines, there is no need to give him a place in intensive care."

According to Falaschi, doctors are "obliged to provide 100-year-olds with full medical care, everything needed to make them healthy again." Partly as a result of this care philosophy, the country has a relatively large number of IC beds per capita.

Yet Italy is not a record holder in this. That is Germany, with a total of 28,000 IC beds. Of these, 25,000 beds also have respiratory equipment. Sufficient, therefore, to currently also take over corona patients from abroad.

Not necessarily better
"In Germany, doctors have to do everything to make patients better," explains geriatrics professor Hans Jürgen Heppner. "Anyone with a chance of survival, young or old, should be able to go to IC. This is only possible if there are enough beds and medical supplies."

However, Heppner thinks that German philosophy is not necessarily better than Dutch philosophy. "Here too there will come a time when the peak is reached. Then we will also have to set priorities, which we are not used to in Germany and prefer not to do."

The Netherlands is better prepared for that moment, he thinks: "Strict rules have been drawn up there before the corona outbreak. The Dutch therefore do not have the problem now that they have to reorganize their hospitals."

Dutch level-headedness
Moreover, in this corona crisis, a large amount of IC beds is not necessarily a guarantee of success. In Northern Italy, where health care is heavily overloaded, people are said to be removed from ventilation due to severe equipment shortages.

"These are shortages that they have created themselves by putting patients on a ventilator, including all the very elderly," says the Dutch geriatrician Bert Keizer. "In the Netherlands, we hope to be spared that scenario by being stricter in giving an indication for intensive care."

Keizer praises "Dutch sobriety" with which doctors strive for an improved quality of life and a beautiful death. At the same time, he does not want to say that our country has the wisdom in its hands. "Because God save me, if we notice in a few weeks that we cannot cope with this crisis with our limited number of IC beds. I hope we do not notice that we have not handled it well."

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I thereby name my twin sons "Covid" and "Nineteen".

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/arentvn/status/1244884437374046214?s=19

:corona:

The genocide of the elderly is in full swing in Holland thanks to our world-renowned system of death panels

will holland grant me residency if i do a stunt like volunteer to plug the dike with my finger for a year??

e: ill also fix windmills for room and board

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

MoaM posted:

corona is going to affect everyone, no amount of panic/joking/serious-talk will change this.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1245954302839062529

:cawg:

Eh. I'm more of a Dos equis man myself.

twoday posted:

Trying to find out the situation in Mexico and I have found:

https://twitter.com/DianneG/status/1245539285404651521?s=20

https://twitter.com/Shahyawar777/status/1245738594473357312?s=20

https://twitter.com/MSN/status/1244800761504006144?s=20

A lot of wish washy nonsense explanations for why the Mexican hospitals aren’t overflowing with corpses yet

Does anyone know more?

The Mexican president, AMLO, is going around doing rallies and shaking people's hands, claiming that there is nothing to be afraid of. He even held up amulets to claim that he is protected.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002


Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


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omg dont tease :negative:

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Bulgakov posted:

will holland grant me residency if i do a stunt like volunteer to plug the dike with my finger for a year??

e: ill also fix windmills for room and board

Yeah you can usually get residency permit if you will find a company that will hire you, but I'm not sure if there are a lot of openings right now, check back in a few weeks

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Bulgakov posted:

omg dont tease :negative:

I'm probably going to get banned from Twitter for telling one of Australia's leading "job service provider" that I've been working on my guillotine skills for an etsy store because she suggested becoming your own boss while unemployed during roni.

I regret nothing if it happens. If your rap sheet is empty have you really lived?

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

Bulgakov posted:

i got distracted and might not now

ok i remembered but then was dissapointed when i explored it

its a shame that signal doesn't allow like uh temporary one time use throwaway aliases

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

it'd be fun to holler at people easily

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Solarin posted:

the answer is in goons protective sense of self loathing that makes us hate each other and ourselves the correct amount

this is true. the only thing we hate more than other goons is ourselves isntead of thinking we're self-important freshmen philosophy student types we correctly acknowledge we're all oozing primordial keyboard goop. also you can post 'sever the rich's heads' and people won't pearl clutch about bluh bluh that's just too far, we need radical centrism. well, i guess D&D does. also can post about how much we hate liberals and they're worse than chuds being more interested in the aesthetics of progressiveness co-opting language of 'woke' to be ignorant reactionary pawns and more interested being a inciting divisiveness and destroying solidarity in order to be morally superior and tut-tuting people for not following their college-educated smug language than actually improving vast majority of people's lives because it's all performative.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The tune is too ctchy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp-BrzUtMBM

coke
Jul 12, 2009

twoday posted:

Someone sent me this `Bulgarian news article with an interview with one of the people who were involved in that recent preprint study about correlations between BCG policies and death rates, which I have google-translated and am posting for the real BCG heads because it has some interesting info about strains and policies in specific countries

https://www.flagman.bg/article/211173

Since this is hellworld everyone in The Village in FL will probably get a clinical trial of the vaccine with the most effective strain and end up with 0 death.

kater
Nov 16, 2010


disney good??

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

Xaris posted:

this is true. the only thing we hate more than other goons is ourselves isntead of thinking we're self-important freshmen philosophy student types we correctly acknowledge we're all oozing primordial keyboard goop. also you can post 'sever the rich's heads' and people won't pearl clutch about bluh bluh that's just too far, we need radical centrism. well, i guess D&D does. also can post about how much we hate liberals and they're worse than chuds being more interested in the aesthetics of progressiveness co-opting language of 'woke' to be ignorant reactionary pawns and more interested being a inciting divisiveness and destroying solidarity in order to be morally superior and tut-tuting people for not following their college-educated smug language than actually improving vast majority of people's lives because it's all performative.

maybe its the hurricane hg talking but im lost

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/arentvn/status/1244884437374046214?s=19

:corona:

The genocide of the elderly is in full swing in Holland thanks to our world-renowned system of death panels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz7I1CP-G2M

Jon Pod Van Damm has issued a correction as of 11:06 on Apr 3, 2020

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

its been so long since i could keep such a good long sentence that made sense in my own mind keep flowing

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

coke posted:

Since this is hellworld everyone in The Village in FL will probably get a clinical trial of the vaccine with the most effective strain and end up with 0 death.

Given that place is almost single handedly the place stopping the state going full blue it's likely that they'll kill everyone else in Florida to make a vaccine for them before they let anyone die there.

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят


jesus christ i meant to open this in a private browser window but hosed up and am rushing to delete it from my youtube watch history asap or ill prolly get algorithmically infected by twee disney poo poo

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят


lol that this cutting social commentary prolly only came to exist because it was overshadowed during the pitch meeting to a room of executives by the big rubber dinosaur puppets

Often Abbreviated
Dec 19, 2017

1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"

coke posted:

Since this is hellworld everyone in The Village in FL will probably get a clinical trial of the vaccine with the most effective strain and end up with 0 death.

Being The Villages, they'll also complain endlessly about the vaccine, how it gave them all autism or had government mind control serum in it, take the state and federal governments to court and win.

kater
Nov 16, 2010


what the poo poo this was a kids show

the world needs more

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


kater posted:

what the poo poo this was a kids show

the world needs more

It's been a long time since I've seen it but it looks like it has some extremely CSPAM nuggets in there

https://mobile.twitter.com/tim_mahoneyy/status/1124723907473346560?lang=en

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
https://twitter.com/Japanology15/status/1245767466996977665?s=19

Expectation:



Reality:



Number 3 on both lists

Lpzie
Nov 20, 2006

Xaris posted:

this is true. the only thing we hate more than other goons is ourselves isntead of thinking we're self-important freshmen philosophy student types we correctly acknowledge we're all oozing primordial keyboard goop. also you can post 'sever the rich's heads' and people won't pearl clutch about bluh bluh that's just too far, we need radical centrism. well, i guess D&D does. also can post about how much we hate liberals and they're worse than chuds being more interested in the aesthetics of progressiveness co-opting language of 'woke' to be ignorant reactionary pawns and more interested being a inciting divisiveness and destroying solidarity in order to be morally superior and tut-tuting people for not following their college-educated smug language than actually improving vast majority of people's lives because it's all performative.

amen brother *cough cough*

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
https://twitter.com/ChinaScience/status/1245984381665267714?s=20

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1246009805497606144?s=20

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Mr. Lobe posted:

It's been a long time since I've seen it but it looks like it has some extremely CSPAM nuggets in there

https://mobile.twitter.com/tim_mahoneyy/status/1124723907473346560?lang=en

Don't forget the infamous finale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9b9aoINXzk

Good luck getting away with that today. Between this and the episode that was one extended dunk on Disneyworld, the showrunners must have murdered all the Disney execs assigned to watch them or something.

AceOfFlames has issued a correction as of 11:49 on Apr 3, 2020

Tei
Feb 19, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

twoday posted:

Expectation:



Gosh, but they have all the ISO's, and silver bullets and all the other "Feel Good" marketing-security theater things. Are you telling me that security threater is not actual security and sometimes even detrimental to actual security?

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1246025060118233088?s=20

https://twitter.com/editorji/status/1246023890675142656?s=20

lol they only do 7 days in the UK

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


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haha those wack assed modernized double decker busses

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Doesn't it take over a week for the symptoms to really start to kick in?

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

twoday posted:

. . .



Number 3 on both lists

so pretend im a naive fool...



dumb government response aside, are there other obvious reasons about why the number is so much higher??

is it an especially busy hub for euro trade or something etc?

I dont remember anything right now about countries and won't look it up.

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
America is asleep, time to post international news

https://twitter.com/bopinion/status/1243481275475865601?s=20

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1246029334919479296?s=20

https://twitter.com/dw_europe/status/1246024366665728000?s=20

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1246027873900728321?s=20

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Bulgakov posted:

so pretend im a naive fool...



dumb government response aside, are there other obvious reasons about why the number is so much higher??

is it an especially busy hub for euro trade or something etc?

I dont remember anything right now about countries and won't look it up.

dumb response, no bcg vaccine, just rotten luck? anyone's guess

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


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twoday posted:

America is asleep, time to post international news

. . .

i will never sleep :twisted:



ok i will sleep but its all upside down lately

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012



when he's right, he's right

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
I've already had a two wine bottle night this week

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Bulgakov posted:

so pretend im a naive fool...



dumb government response aside, are there other obvious reasons about why the number is so much higher??

is it an especially busy hub for euro trade or something etc?

I dont remember anything right now about countries and won't look it up.

Yes, the biggest port in Europe, and the airport (normally) carries more passengers than JFK. Slow government response and no BCG vaccine come to mind come to mind as potential reasons. Also the media was totally downplaying the seriousness of the virus, a month ago the newspapers were filled with op-eds about how “level-headed” the Dutch are, and how smart they were for not panicking like other countries, and how there probably wouldn’t be an outbreak here, so everyone rushed into crowded parks on the first warm day of spring and lots of big events happened which spread it to around, including the catholic carnaval in the south of the country, and a giant fair of household appliances and such that brought in visitors from every tiny village in the country to the capital to be packed into a convention hall and mill around looking for free samples of washing detergent and such

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LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

poty posted:

https://twitter.com/Johnson_DavidW/status/1245987384551821312

singapore had been so far the poster boy for containing the virus just through aggressive testing and contact tracing

stephenthinkpad posted:

That leaves Taiwan the only place left that hasn't done a lock down; still having school opened; and does not forced quarantine people coming back from US/Europe. Looking forward to a mini outbreak soon.

Don’t know where you’re getting your news but Taiwan is and has always been doing much better than Singapore and is the real poster boy for aggressive testing and tracking.

*all* entrants to Taiwan have mandatory quarantine and there’s no entry now for non-residents. Nothing is shut down because they’re confident that local transmission is under control; almost all their new infected are coming from overseas. That’s the benefit of being the earliest and most aggressive to enact control measures; you don’t *need* to shut everything down if you stop community transmission in the first place.

Edit: not to say an outbreak is impossible as a single super-spreader can cause a lot, but Taiwan has controlled things fantastically and is poised to make whatever actions necessary to control.

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