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I agree with Ryan, Bryan is an absolute moron saying that The Roni is just like other ‘extenuating circumstances’. It’s obviously not, and comparing it to an election year or Monday night football is an extremely bad faith argument. I also agree with Bryan, Ryan Satin’s bootlicking will never get him anywhere with Vince, and these last few months have totally stripped him of all credibility.
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bryan didnt say what that crazed twitter psycho is saying
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mkay0 posted:I agree with Ryan, Bryan is an absolute moron saying that The Roni is just like other ‘extenuating circumstances’. It’s obviously not, and comparing it to an election year or Monday night football is an extremely bad faith argument. His bigger point, that this decline was happening for years before the virus, still stands.
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Bryan basically said that there was no real excitement going into Wrestlemania this year and that COVID isn't the only reason for that lack of buzz and that while they can perhaps blame it for there being literally none its not the only reason, and that continually blaming external factors isn't going to solve their issues. Which is 100% correct: while it'd be tough for literally any wrestling company ever to try and build towards a big show at this point things wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't alienated over half of their fans in the last five years
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Bryan does a much clearer case on b and v on this ratings debate
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Apr 3, 2020 13:34
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I'll be the first to say it. Ryan Satin SUCKS!
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Everything you need to know about Ryan Satin is that he follows meltzersaidwhat
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bryan and vinny not understanding how cults work and understand how The Exalted One is a successful cult leader is strong gen x energy
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Lid posted:bryan and vinny not understanding how cults work and understand how The Exalted One is a successful cult leader is strong gen x energy also listing off several ways the Dark Order is a metaphor for WWE without making the connection. I feel like some people are seeing Brodie making fun of Vince as a completely unrelated thing for some reason instead of The Whole Point.
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I kinda agree with them. Cult leaders etc aren’t evil psychos 100% of the time. They manipulate people precisely by being nice one minute and horrible the next.
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Seams posted:I kinda agree with them. Cult leaders etc aren’t evil psychos 100% of the time. They manipulate people precisely by being nice one minute and horrible the next. They manipulate people by making them think the cult provides them something they need so they just have to suck it up and live with the abuse. The way I see it Evil Uno and the actor who's been doing those videos recruited everyone and convinced them they needed the cult. Brodie Lee didn't show up until they had a bunch of recruits and convinced them they needed to be in the Dark Order. Now he can abuse them because they're locked in, it's part of their identity. Is this a bit of a logic leap? Yeah, but it's how some cults work and makes sense with what they've done.
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Gumball Gumption posted:They manipulate people by making them think the cult provides them something they need so they just have to suck it up and live with the abuse. The way I see it Evil Uno and the actor who's been doing those videos recruited everyone and convinced them they needed the cult. Brodie Lee didn't show up until they had a bunch of recruits and convinced them they needed to be in the Dark Order. Now he can abuse them because they're locked in, it's part of their identity. I would really love to see them go hardcore with some of these things. Have Brodie run a "struggle session" where he makes the rest of the Dark Order turn on someone and psychologically tear them down. Elevate and excessively praise Grayson, telling the others they need to be more like him, and tell Uno in private to keep tabs on Grayson because Uno is your REAL favourite. Promise greater secrets not yet revealed. Tell each of them something different in private and swear them to secrecy.
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Lamuella posted:I would really love to see them go hardcore with some of these things. Have Brodie run a "struggle session" where he makes the rest of the Dark Order turn on someone and psychologically tear them down. Elevate and excessively praise Grayson, telling the others they need to be more like him, and tell Uno in private to keep tabs on Grayson because Uno is your REAL favourite. Promise greater secrets not yet revealed. Tell each of them something different in private and swear them to secrecy.
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Edge & Christian posted:Wait, so the NWO was a cult too??? Hulk Hogan was a massive cult.
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Hunter Leopardson posted:Everything you need to know about Ryan Satin is that he follows meltzersaidwhat seriously, what kind of reporter looks at that twitter account and doesn't even at least make a cursory mention that it might be a biased towards defamation?
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Someone should make a meltzersaidwhat parody account called "whatvdvabenmeltzersaid"
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extradite THIS! posted:Someone should make a meltzersaidwhat parody account called "whatvdvabenmeltzersaid"
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it's not worth doing without all the words. stand up for your rights
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Seams posted:I kinda agree with them. Cult leaders etc aren’t evil psychos 100% of the time. They manipulate people precisely by being nice one minute and horrible the next. They are a very extreme case, but Aum Shinrikyo were extraordinarily cruel to everyone in their thrall aside from the upper echelon. But yeah, I think there should've been some build to Lee's more awful behavior. At least a week or two.
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Hunter Leopardson posted:Everything you need to know about Ryan Satin is that he follows meltzersaidwhat that account and everyone that follows it has the brainworms
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is that a twitter account that just coughs and says um a lot
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Lol I’ve never seen Bryan ether someone so solidly
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sportsgenius86 posted:Lol I’ve never seen Bryan ether someone so solidly There was the time someone (Moose?) asked how he could know anything about wrestling, Bryan pointed out he has like 500 matches experience and has worked multiple HOFers. Shut them right up.
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coconono posted:I'm convinced MeltzerSaidWhat, SliceKnows and that other gossipy stalker twitter are all the same weirdo. Liek teh son of Dr Mike Lano or something. IIRC Lano was a tool but never an aggressive jerk Also a good photographer
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Bryan has been on a roll, slaughtering these idiots. Satin, Moose, Corbin, J Snowden. Good work lad
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sportsgenius86 posted:Lol I’ve never seen Bryan ether someone so solidly Second only to this. https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1215033670966247424
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mariooncrack posted:New Pacific Rim podcast is up. Oh hell yes!
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MJeff posted:Second only to this. A sensible ref would stop the fight here, good god
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MJeff posted:Second only to this. Next came a personal shot at me, saying “there were a couple of top wrestlers who at one point used to leak a lot of information to Dave Meltzer.” Pot call kettle black. My experience with almost everyone in wrestling these days is positive, and believe me, it wasn’t always that way. There is a public negative attitude from WWE, which at this point is both sad and funny. He used the term “moles” that leak information. Can you imagine that in 2006? Let alone given the person saying it. He also claimed now nobody feeds me any information because there is only one wrestling organization (huh?) and Vince is adamant about nobody talking. I haven’t noticed any difference in ability to communicate with people or get information other than there is more news than ever, and it’s harder for me than any time in my life to keep up with the people calling, hence a record number of issues this year. Worse, he linked me in the same sentence with Wade Keller without any sort of differentiation. For better or worse, we do completely different jobs.
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davidbix posted:Eh, it's not really true, though. From the 11/20/2006 Observer feature reviewing Eric Bischoff's book: I don't read that as an insult and I don't think Dave intended it as one.
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DangerDummy! posted:They are a very extreme case, but Aum Shinrikyo were extraordinarily cruel to everyone in their thrall aside from the upper echelon. But yeah, I think there should've been some build to Lee's more awful behavior. At least a week or two. I think you might be over thinking the Dark Order. I see it just as the cult getting recruits based on a community and sense of belonging, and suddenly there's a cruel overlord who doesn't give a gently caress about them and just wants to up the level of violence. Time to get serious, fuckers; Mr. Brodie is here.
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IceAgeComing posted:Bryan basically said that there was no real excitement going into Wrestlemania this year and that COVID isn't the only reason for that lack of buzz and that while they can perhaps blame it for there being literally none its not the only reason, and that continually blaming external factors isn't going to solve their issues. Which is 100% correct: while it'd be tough for literally any wrestling company ever to try and build towards a big show at this point things wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't alienated over half of their fans in the last five years And given that WWE has shown no ability to rebound its viewership since The Rock came back for those two Manias (and I don't think Rock is coming back) what exactly do they do if they hit 1.5 million viewers by the end of this? What if it is even lower? It's at 1.9 for the Mania go home.
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now that WWE has some competent competition, its going to be very interesting to see what shakes out of the post-virus wrestling boom.
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coconono posted:now that WWE has some competent competition, its going to be very interesting to see what shakes out of the post-virus wrestling boom. Alot of the viewers that are giving up on wwe aren't coming back period Being that their main numbers are from 50+ their base literally might not survive it
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coconono posted:I'm convinced MeltzerSaidWhat, SliceKnows and that other gossipy stalker twitter are all the same weirdo. Liek teh son of Dr Mike Lano or something. MeltzerSaidWhat definitely had another account they'd reply to themselves with as they replied to things from the wrong account a couple of times which outed them. They also used that account for casual bigotry. Can't remember the username but it was banned after a bunch of us from here reported the account.
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