|
Katt posted:Corona chart:
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 18:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 18:07 |
|
|
A Buttery Pastry posted:Why do you keep up with this insane trolling?? Sweden is not on the North Sea, and never has been! https://imgur.com/GensaJ9 
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 18:51
|
|
|
I think A Buttery Pastry was born on the shores of Ladoga because they sound like a real Nöteborgare. A Buttery Pastry posted:Why do you keep up with this insane trolling?? Sweden is not on the North Sea, and never has been! 
Katt fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 3, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 18:57
|
|
|
Those territories either don't border the North Sea, or were territories under the Swedish king but not part of Sweden itself!
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 19:43
|
|
|
If anything, referring to the Stormaktstiden only strenghtens Swedens case as a Baltic nation.
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 19:45
|
|
|
Falukorv posted:If anything, referring to the Stormaktstiden only strenghtens Swedens case as a Baltic nation. The Baltic nation list is full I'm afraid. Nothing I can do.
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 20:13
|
|
|
After ravaging the Swedish east coast. Corona finally hit the west coast in full force but results are a lot less severe than expected so far. Speculation is that all those middle class people who were quick to bring Corona to Stockholm in droves from their ski trips ended up sacrificing the capital to give Gothenburg time to prepare.
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 21:02
|
|
|
Katt posted:After ravaging the Swedish east coast. Corona finally hit the west coast in full force but results are a lot less severe than expected so far. Speculation is that all those middle class people who were quick to bring Corona to Stockholm in droves from their ski trips ended up sacrificing the capital to give Gothenburg time to prepare.
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 21:13
|
|
|
Katt posted:Corona chart: 
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 21:34
|
|
|
Germany has a longer coastline on the Baltic than on the North Sea too, its current category seems a little suspect. I suggest adding the Netherlands if you want to fill out the North Sea league a bit.
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 21:46
|
|
|
big scary monsters posted:Germany has a longer coastline on the Baltic than on the North Sea too, its current category seems a little suspect. I suggest adding the Netherlands if you want to fill out the North Sea league a bit. Deal. North Sea: Sweden: 6,078 Netherlands: 15,723 United Kingdom: 38,168 Germany: 87,244 How much of a North Sea cost does France have? I see some coast line! I see it!
|
|
#
?
Apr 3, 2020 21:54
|
|
|
A Buttery Pastry posted:Why do you keep up with this insane trolling?? Sweden is not on the North Sea, and never has been! Honestly, sometimes the simplest trolls are the most entertaining, especially when people get so riled up over it. On a different topic, has this been discussed yet? https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-ber-om-storre-makt "Regeringen vill med anledning av coronakrisen få makt att fatta beslut kopplade till pandemin utan att behöva gå via riksdagen. De har sökt stöd hos oppositionen för att få igenom en lagrådsremiss – men mött på motstånd från Moderaterna. en promemoria från Socialdepartementet till oppositionen, som SVT har tagit del av, beskrivs ett utkast till en lagrådsremiss. Den innehåller förslag om att ge regeringen tillfällig befogenhet att meddela vissa föreskrifter för att stävja spridningen av covid-19 – utan att behöva vända sig till riksdagen. I promemorian står det att regeringen föreslås få rätt att ta snabba beslut om att bland annat införa tillfälliga begränsningar för folksamlingar, stänga köpcentrum, nattklubbar och restauranger och att införa restriktioner för transportsektorn. Regleringen ska om den träder i kraft vara tillfällig och föreslås gälla mellan april 2020 och september 2020." Never let a good crisis go to waste, I suppose.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 02:27
|
|
|
McCloud posted:Honestly, sometimes the simplest trolls are the most entertaining, especially when people get so riled up over it. https://twitter.com/javierblas/status/1237492620588470272
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 05:45
|
|
|
A Buttery Pastry posted:Just close the drat border, this Malmö connection is gonna be an open wound letting uncontrolled Swedish infection run wild in Copenhagen and then the rest of Denmark. Alternatively, if they insist on keeping the border open to commuters, then isolate Zealand from the rest of Denmark.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 06:02
|
|
|
ted hitler hunter posted:"Access" or the capability to enact a quick response. Not an actual quick response. Create the appearance of doing something while doing nothing. Genius! It’s the Swedish way. Instead of doing something we need to first tillsätta en utredning to form consensus around an utskott.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 06:32
|
|
|
Denmark has a land border with Germany and the rest of Central Europe. They should close the border between Denmark and Sweden to protect Sweden 
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 06:45
|
|
|
LOL looks like many swedes in this thread yearns for a big-daddy lockdown, not surprised. Save the boomers! gently caress the poors, the immigrants and the homeless! White liberal supremacy must go on! Yes I know this is a controversial take, and what might come after is scary. But chill, the next election is scary enough already. Edit: Lagom is the way of the swedes. (btw I think people should distance themselves or whatever and take this seriously, not happy seeing loads of people in slottskogen yesterday) Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Apr 4, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 07:34
|
|
|
Zombiepop posted:LOL looks like many swedes in this thread yearns for a big-daddy lockdown, not surprised. Save the boomers! gently caress the poors, the immigrants and the homeless! White liberal supremacy must go on! Numbers from other countries show that mortality among the marginalized are higher than the middle and upper classes... and one story I heard was that families of Somalian descents have been hit especially hard in Sweden, due to a higher average number of individuals under the same roof. I don't about Sweden, but in Denmark it's the wealthy and the middle class who want society to reopen, so they can get back to their comfy lifestyle and try to pretend the economy will magically recover... the working class is already at work and exposed like no others. So it's not a controversial take - it's an incorrect take. The poors, immigrants and homeless are the ones who'll die in the greatest numbers alongside the elderly, who are not "boomers". I know many Swedes think that a lockdown increases inequality, but that's entirely up to how you structure the aid packages. I guess that in the aftermath of a 10% reduction in the population of Sweden, the disadvantaged will prosper.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 07:53
|
|
|
Yes of course, have you looked how the economy is structured in the world? Its always the poor dying? Corona or no Corona. Your cellphone got loving blood on its screen. Not saying people should do nothing, just keep it cool and keep it lagom. Swedes is roughly twice as many people as denmark and we got roughly twice the amount of corona patients, the death numbers are higher here but that could be for a multitude of reasons, we dont know yet, and its a small country so I can see how a lockdown was a better choice for denmark, and I wouldnt mind a lockdown in sthlm... Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Apr 4, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 07:58
|
|
|
Zombiepop posted:Yes of course, have you looked how the economy is structured in the world? Its always the poor dying? Corona or no Corona. Your cellphone got loving blood on its screen. Not saying people should do nothing, just keep it cool and keep it lagom. Yes, a lockdown is mostly for urban areas. But in places like England the rich have fled London and brought Corona into the countryside. I don't think you want people fleeing Stockholm and spreading it to tiny communities without infrastructure to handle outbreaks. In Lombardy at one point more people died daily waiting for ambulances than in hospitals.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 08:09
|
|
|
Should be atleast, lol they already fled to the country, so that damage is done.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 08:14
|
|
|
PederP posted:Numbers from other countries show that mortality among the marginalized are higher than the middle and upper classes... and one story I heard was that families of Somalian descents have been hit especially hard in Sweden, due to a higher average number of individuals under the same roof. It will not be a 10% reduction in population, only 6-7% will require hospital care and not all will die at the hospital. The real death rate is likely sub 2% of the population even with a greatly strained hospital system as the infected in need of care will get staggered out over time. It will not change the Swedish demographics in any way that is noticable for any part of the population not directly involved in elderly care.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 08:21
|
|
|
Zombiepop posted:LOL looks like many swedes in this thread yearns for a big-daddy lockdown, not surprised. Save the boomers! gently caress the poors, the immigrants and the homeless! White liberal supremacy must go on! You are aware what constitutes boomers in Sweden are old social democrats? Don't try to apply US politics on Sweden. As for the immigrants, they have in general a lower median age than people born in Sweden ie less at risk from Covid19. Of course they have the issue of limited information due to issues with language and literacy, which increases the risk for them.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 08:43
|
|
|
Cardiac posted:You are aware what constitutes boomers in Sweden are old social democrats? Don't try to apply US politics on Sweden. Hahaha yeah I know, so what? Still the boomers that can work from home etc, so they are the ones being saved. Aint nobody freezing the rents here right? All my friends got fired these last weeks, young people wont find a summer job etc. Oh cool a racist trope, stfu. Its a global world, information is widely available in a lot of languages online, and ya know people talk to each other, got relatives in other countries etc. Zombiepop fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Apr 4, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 09:04
|
|
|
Cardiac posted:You are aware what constitutes boomers in Sweden are old social democrats? Don't try to apply US politics on Sweden. The outreach in English in Sweden felt limited, let alone any other language. My colleagues trying to get info to determine whether it’s worth setting up WFH was really difficult. I was lucky that I had a decent SFI program - others do not. Others have the loving local.se and that’s it (and admittedly they’ve stepped up). Additionally please, PLEASE keep in mind that getting general information from the Swedish government about anything not in Swedish feels like pulling teeth. Many of us have had instances of conflicting info, key things not relayed to us, and just a lack of giving a poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 09:27
|
|
|
Zombiepop posted:Hahaha yeah I know, so what? Still the boomers that can work from home etc, so they are the ones being saved. Aint nobody freezing the rents here right? All my friends got fired these last weeks, young people wont find a summer job etc. quote:Oh cool a racist trope, stfu. Its a global world, information is widely available in a lot of languages online. Old immigrants, surely the most tech savy demographic with relatives that have time and resources to care for them.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 09:39
|
|
|
this, friends, is why generational politics are dumb as heck
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 09:50
|
|
|
Anyone who uses the concept of generations in a serious discussion I immediately dismiss in the same way as I would someone who suggested we could use prayers to fight corona. It has no analytical value and does more to confuse discussion further than clarify. It’s kept alive mainly through management consultants hocking their wares to the rubes and journalists selling newspapers via outrageous headlines. I really wish SA would stop taking it seriously and see it for the anti-vax, atoms-bad, style “”””science”””” it is.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 10:23
|
|
|
My favourite part of the CORONA CRIME fast-track legislation, apart from increasing the penalty for loving wearing a mask in public, was MPs arguing there was no such thing as a trivial matter when it came to stealing sanitizer, who had themselves been stealing sanitizer from parliament.teen witch posted:Additionally please, PLEASE keep in mind that getting general information from the Swedish government about anything not in Swedish feels like pulling teeth. Many of us have had instances of conflicting info, key things not relayed to us, and just a lack of giving a poo poo. Same here. An NGO had to have the general spread mitigation guidelines translated into Arabic, Farsi, etc.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 10:28
|
|
|
Zombiepop posted:Oh cool a racist trope, stfu. Its a global world, information is widely available in a lot of languages online, and ya know people talk to each other, got relatives in other countries etc. This is a weird as heck reaction. The Nordic governments have done a terrible job at communicating vital information to all groups of people in their societies, and saying that minority groups can just get that information elsewhere, from other countries, is crazy. Also, generational politics are just the same reactionary, divisive politics that always come out of the US. The fact that some progressives fall for it is heartbreaking. I have spent most of my life in progressive, left-wing organisations and social circles, and benefitted immensely from learning from older generations.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 10:29
|
|
|
Zombiepop posted:Oh cool a racist trope, stfu. Its a global world, information is widely available in a lot of languages online, and ya know people talk to each other, got relatives in other countries etc. The minority groups themselves are saying that they have had a hard time finding information on their language.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:02
|
|
|
Azram Legion posted:This is a weird as heck reaction. The Nordic governments have done a terrible job at communicating vital information to all groups of people in their societies, and saying that minority groups can just get that information elsewhere, from other countries, is crazy. What is it they haven't been doing? (Not asking to dismiss it, curious about what should be done).
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:08
|
|
|
in norway at least it's fallen to municipalities to put out info in large minority languages like somali, polish and arabic which is not ideal
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:12
|
|
|
in general municipalities have been pushing a lot of policy, including driving the initial lockdown measures like school closures etc. if this turns out to have been the right thing to do it's going to be a hell of a process to address this because the government is going to try to take credit
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:15
|
|
|
Crimpolioni posted:What is it they haven't been doing? (Not asking to dismiss it, curious about what should be done). Basically, they haven't ensured that crucial information was also translated into minority languages. I think the Danish government even had a significant lag in translating information to English in the beginning of the crisis. This is such a basic error in crisis communication, but it was largely downplayed in the media because everyone was busy praising the prime minister for handling communication (to the majority population) well.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:16
|
|
|
It's been a problem for a while. The Danish public system still sends a lot of information in Danish only to my Indian colleagues here in Denmark. They have to rely so much on Google translate, it's a travesty.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:20
|
|
|
KozmoNaut posted:It's been a problem for a while. The Danish public system still sends a lot of information in Danish only to my Indian colleagues here in Denmark. it's deliberate policy to try to keep the language alive. if it becomes redundant to english it's going to disappear very quickly
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:22
|
|
|
KozmoNaut posted:It's been a problem for a while. The Danish public system still sends a lot of information in Danish only to my Indian colleagues here in Denmark. Yeah, when I worked with international PhD students this was a constant problem as well. The informal junior researcher Facebook group we used to arrange social stuff often became an impromptu translation service, which is pretty damning.
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:24
|
|
|
V. Illych L. posted:this, friends, is why generational politics are dumb as heck Agreed, though in my (limited) experience, those I know who feel the Swedish response has been good and who feel closing at least some public spaces is going too far are older adults, whereas younger people I've talked to seem more in the loop. But again, limited sample, correlation etc. The older ones I know generally just don't seem to take it seriously, and unlike the crazy religious nut-jobs in the US they don't really have "let god sort it out" as an excuse in general so I'm not sure where its coming from. In general though I think information regarding the virus in Sweden has been poor even for native speakers so it's not unexpected then that it's far worse for immigrants... But it is loving lovely that it is, regardless. The worst thing is that given how Swedish politics are looking right now, it's not likely to get better either. Talk about regressing. Anyway friends, stay socially isolated as far as you can and be careful out there. I seem to have gotten caught and have been ill since Monday though with relatively mild symptoms, but I consider myself lucky if this is it. Not worth bothering a hospital or health center with (yet, at least) so I'll just keep myself in isolation. The coughing and itchy throat can gently caress right off, tho.
Inepta Lacerta fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Apr 4, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:27
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 18:07 |
|
|
Zombiepop posted:Swedes is roughly twice as many people as denmark and we got roughly twice the amount of corona patients, the death numbers are higher here but that could be for a multitude of reasons, we dont know yet, and its a small country so I can see how a lockdown was a better choice for denmark, and I wouldnt mind a lockdown in sthlm...
|
|
#
?
Apr 4, 2020 12:36
|
|