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Ciaphas posted:I assume I get an in-game map at some point? I have no idea how big this world is (trying to see how far I can get without wiki'ing everything) Yes, you do.
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Make sure to pick up all resources you find, even if you can't use them right now. Research everything you can in the MAM.
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Apr 1, 2020 18:30
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I am a tractor fan and tractors would be fine for ore, but most of the starting zones are set up where you are really in beltable distance of iron nodes next to coal nodes meant for your first steel factory. Logistics law says to transport the densest stuff so might as well turn it into beams, pipes, and encased beams on the spot at the least. There's not really the same commonality of components to live with the 3d downsides of having to live inside the bus for me to want to bus. I have fairly specific "this is my space elevator 1 line and 2 and 3" and so on and they don't really mix in the way bused Factorio does. You can keep fairly contained raw-intermediate-final lines so you should feel no obligation to only do value add steps at base instead of doing all your processing 5 ft from the miner for anything but wires and then you ship a final product. By the time you mix stuff I think more along the lines of depots than buses, so I have a fat warehouse of plastic and rubber that I end up just pulling from a trainstation.
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Apr 1, 2020 18:57
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I chose to bus because it meant I don't have to be so precise with input/output ratios. Without the bus, any left-over iron ore (or whatever input) just sits there backed up on its conveyor with nowhere to go. With it, the ratios problem goes away and becomes an Add More problem instead. not enough reinforced plates? just Add More depots to construct screws and assemble plates. Now I don't have enough iron plates but I can Add More constructors, etc. all the way back to the ore mines. (Point taken about item density re: transportation, though. That's a solid counter-argument.) Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Apr 1, 2020 |
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Apr 1, 2020 20:41
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I want to see a wall of linked industrial storage, the whole length of the map, from ground to skybox
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Apr 1, 2020 22:09
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ok as pretty as the result is I've decided I hate trying to expand this stupid bus anymore  Working on my steel foundry; I found another site of coal, iron and limestone to build it on. Foundries are tapped out at making 240 steel ingots a minute. I know I need a shitload of bars for mk3 logistics; how much of the steel pipes and encased bars am I gonna need: few enough to just make a few alongside the steel bars, or enough that I want separate sites?
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Apr 2, 2020 18:24
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Ciaphas posted:ok as pretty as the result is I've decided I hate trying to expand this stupid bus anymore You're gonna end up wanting a lot of steel pipes before long, in similar or greater volumes to beams. Encased beams not so much, you can probably just have one assembler on them and leave it at that.
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Apr 2, 2020 18:42
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You need tons of the steel pipes later one for...stators...over all I went with 2 beam production lines and one pipe production line...ended up having really slow production towards the end of the space elevator research. I just got burnt out and didn't want to deal with making a better steel works, so I slogged through it.
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Apr 2, 2020 18:48
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You can easily flex manufacture from pipes to beams and back. You just relink the output from a pipe merger to a beam merger or back again. I had beams dead headed because I finished structure early but didn't necessarily want to run that line into the sink so I just swapped recipes and outputs to have more pipes to the stator God.
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Apr 2, 2020 18:59
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Lots and lots of stators coming my way soon, got it. I should probably bumrush the rest of the elevator parts to unlock tiers 5 and 6, while I'm at it; I have no more milestones to get at the HUB and I'm still dinking around with steel foundries I want to run three tractors between my steel foundry and my main line; if they're all on the same route will they destroy each other eventually or does the game take care of that somehow?
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Apr 2, 2020 19:15
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Generally when I unlock a new tier I do the bare minimum to get the new outputs up and running, shunt them into a container, and then go out looking for hard drives to get recipes applicable to the new production. Building up large without alt recipes is rarely worth it. Also another tip: if you're exploring for a bunch of drives at once don't forget to drop a mam and kick off research while away from the base.
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Apr 2, 2020 22:11
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Generally when I unlock a new tier I do the bare minimum to get the new outputs up and running, shunt them into a container, and then go out looking for hard drives to get recipes applicable to the new production. Building up large without alt recipes is rarely worth it. I'll be honest I've barely explored at all. Only found one hard drive and got the screws-from-ingots recipe which I haven't even implemented yet 
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Apr 2, 2020 23:06
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Ciaphas posted:Lots and lots of stators coming my way soon, got it. I should probably bumrush the rest of the elevator parts to unlock tiers 5 and 6, while I'm at it; I have no more milestones to get at the HUB and I'm still dinking around with steel foundries When you're not near visible range, vehicles on autopilot are simulated as teleporting from arrow to arrow, which sounds to me like a recipe for more than one vehicle eventually being simulated in the same place, resulting in some out-of-view simulated physics fuckery which will likely end with one vehicle in a lunar orbit and one at the bottom of the sea. When you're in visible range, they will just plow right into each other, get knocked off course, and then desperately try to get back to whichever arrow they have designated as 'next.' Both of these scenarios would be hilarious to see happening to someone else's factory, but the only time I've had multiple vehicles picking up from the same location, I built a separate pair of truck stops for each of them and carefully kept the autopilot paths from intersecting.
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Apr 3, 2020 00:16
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Pave the route and stack multiple tracks, with an origin and destination depot for each level
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Apr 3, 2020 01:21
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Naylenas posted:Pave the route and stack multiple tracks, with an origin and destination depot for each level Now we're on to a project I can sink my teeth into! Too bad you can't make curved roads with foundations except on a grand scale 
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Apr 3, 2020 01:47
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I'm firmly of the mind that by the time you exceed the throughput of your tractor, you can/should just upgrade to the next vehicle up. The explorer isn't that much more expensive than a tractor is and while it has one fewer cargo slots, it's faster and handles terrain better, resulting in generally improved throughput. Especially if there's any form of halfway difficult terrain along the route. Edit: Let me reprase that, yes the explorer is more expensive in the sense that you need quartz and steel to make it, but by the time you've outgrown tractors you should more or less that have handled. Drake_263 fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Apr 3, 2020 |
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Apr 3, 2020 06:23
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Soooo I picked this up yesterday. I didn't go into it totally blind, mainly because I watched Let's Game it Out's satisfactory videos. I'm trying to get as far as I can sans wiki or walkthrough or anything. Honestly though I think I've been slightly infected by LGIO because while you people are all talking efficiency and vehicles, all I can think is "Well why not just a 15 kilometer long conveyor belt".
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Apr 3, 2020 17:05
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khy posted:Soooo I picked this up yesterday. I didn't go into it totally blind, mainly because I watched Let's Game it Out's satisfactory videos. I'm trying to get as far as I can sans wiki or walkthrough or anything. That's my solution too, even in Factorio. As long as your belts aren't doing loop-de-loops or something wild, who cares.
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Apr 3, 2020 17:16
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khy posted:"Well why not just a 15 kilometer long conveyor belt". Oh no that is the best method I've found. But you do this 5 or 6 times and it gets kinda old. Hell I didn't realize you could upgrade conveyors at first, so I had 3 really long conveyor lines that I manually deleted and rebuilt at one point (hell I only figured out you could delete multiple objects at once like after I had completed the last tier of space elevator). Also I have a bunch more sky bridges going off to areas so I can pick up hard drives and what not. They need an auto build feature while you walk to just build a path in front of you, but I know that's asking way too much. Also you can go without using a wiki for a long time, and most of the research stuff I would generate things I needed at the bench and get it done...when it came to the space elevator you need to optimize things better (which requires way more power) or you'll be waiting days and days to get it done.
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Apr 3, 2020 17:17
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You don't need a wiki, there is a recipe database within the game.
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Apr 3, 2020 17:21
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ymgve posted:You don't need a wiki, there is a recipe database within the game. Yep, hit "x". It was patched to be more useful within the last couple weeks. When you unlock a new alternative recipe, it'll show up in that part's entry, too! I'm having trouble with train stations, if anyone knows - I keep getting certain "invalid stop" errors. This almost certainly has to do with my track layout, where I have the station of a stop at the very end of the track. My trains are typically 4 freight cars with a locomotive facing opposite of each end. I have enough track laid out between my initial factory (south of the map by the arch formation the Manta flies through regularly, aka "Archway") up to the north side of the "blue jungle" where there's two quartz mines, to the South-east of the map around the "Blue Crater" where there's some good nodes including oil ones! I have facilities in each area and have taken to shipping extra pumped crude oil back to the archway for processing into plastic, rubber, and turning the heavy residue into turbo fuel (which along with compacted coal I was lucky to unlock early on). The point of this story is, my rail lines are full of gently caress and madness, and despite my honest attempt to compartmentalize power generation, I ended up having lots of fuel generators powering everything via rails. So I know every rail is connecting okay, because I don't have any outages at any of my outposts. Having two locomotives makes it so a train can dock at a terminal station and reverse out to another station... except when it doesn't. I've tried adding loopbacks but the time table really, REALLY doesn't like it when the entire train turns around with a choo-choo on each end. Clearly, the solution is build another mega-factory on the opposite side of the map and just connect it back to all the trains I have that actually work, so the new area can concentrate on making high-end parts. yes, this is what I must do. Man, I feel better about this now, thanks guys, I really appreciate the pep talk. 
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Apr 3, 2020 18:43
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You can get double-ended trains to work with a single, non-looped track. Make the train station arrows pointing away from themselves <-----------> and put each stop twice in a row, so: Home, Home, Coal, Coal or whatever names you want to use.
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Apr 3, 2020 18:52
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kloa posted:You can get double-ended trains to work with a single, non-looped track. Oooh, didn't think of that!
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Apr 3, 2020 19:11
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I think my favorite part of this game is that a fully autonomous self-driving vehicle with included automated pick up and delivery from stops is somehow less complicated than a loving train.
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Apr 3, 2020 19:47
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Train pros: can drive up a cliff or over the void without 45 minutes of foundation building Train cons: takes understanding Satisfactory specific shuttle stop science to have more than 2 stops without a loop. I just have a simple A-B double headed shuttle now and it works fine but will keep in mind the shuttle tricks if I ever want more.
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Apr 3, 2020 20:59
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So are trains in this going to infuriate for me if I actually (gasp!) understand how signaling in Factorio worked, then? 
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Apr 4, 2020 00:13
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Ciaphas posted:So are trains in this going to infuriate for me if I actually (gasp!) understand how signaling in Factorio worked, then? Not even slightly. There is no train signals and trains don't have collision with each other, so there's no management to be done around having multiple trains on the tracks. Presumably this will be improved at some point, but for now it's very straightforward.
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Apr 4, 2020 00:18
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Nah trains in this are much simpler than Factorio. There's no collision, so you can have all your trains use the same line back to HQ if you want. e: f;b
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Apr 4, 2020 00:19
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part of me is happy about that; another part is sad about no spectacular cargo train collisions. something something contrasts etc
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Apr 4, 2020 00:21
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I read on the wiki that there's an issue with the branching tracks where a train that wants to go in one direction can cause an error where another train coming up too soon can change the direction and cause a train to split or something. Other than that, trains decide where they are going and switch the tracks on their own.
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Apr 4, 2020 00:21
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Cojawfee posted:I read on the wiki that there's an issue with the branching tracks where a train that wants to go in one direction can cause an error where another train coming up too soon can change the direction and cause a train to split or something. Other than that, trains decide where they are going and switch the tracks on their own. They said the most recent patches has a hack fix for trains splitting. You will still see it split but after a moment it should snap back into the right position and go on its way.
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Apr 4, 2020 01:24
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Train snapping....I'm all about that. drat I'm really having a lack of motivation to do aluminum...I hate that there's no more research to do, makes me sad.
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Apr 4, 2020 01:36
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I have a question. In watching earlier videos of Let's Game it Out, it shows not only factory foundations but also stairs unlockable at Tier 1. I cannot build stairs. Why can I not build stairs? Were stairs removed?
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Apr 4, 2020 03:11
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khy posted:I have a question. You have to get to the awesome sink and the ticket store and you can buy the plans from there.
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Apr 4, 2020 03:15
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The videos you’re watching are of an earlier version of the game. They’ve moved around where and when certain things are unlocked. (Stairs suck)
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Apr 4, 2020 03:26
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tranten posted:The videos you’re watching are of an earlier version of the game. They’ve moved around where and when certain things are unlocked. Stairs are great aesthetically and wrap around the new column supports perfectly. They’re outdated as soon as you have tubes but every osha compliant factory needs code compliant fire exits after all.
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Apr 4, 2020 03:47
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One thing I don't like about this game is how the walls interact with foundations. It seems like the intended way to make walls and floors is to build the walls up and then attach floors to the walls. This is how the ramps line up with floors. But then you can't put the pillars between floors, because the pillars want to be at the same height as the foundations. And also stairs don't seem to line up with floors, but stairs suck anyway. Also, I wish there were more sizes to for the foundation frames. I want 1m tall frames so I can use them as rafters or something.
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Apr 4, 2020 04:35
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M_Gargantua posted:Stairs are great aesthetically and wrap around the new column supports perfectly. They’re outdated as soon as you have tubes but every osha compliant factory needs code compliant fire exits after all. Oh god I didn’t think of that either!! Stairs are such an odd duck, especially when walkways look much nicer
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Cojawfee posted:But then you can't put the pillars between floors, because the pillars want to be at the same height as the foundations. I don't think I understand your complaint here... I can put a pillar bottom on top of a foundation just fine, and if I'm underneath a foundation I can put a pillar top under it no problem. The pillars themselves will allow themselves to be shorter than their normal length in order to fit between pillar tops and bottoms, you just have to already have the bottom and top in place.
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