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LimburgLimbo posted:The thing is you don’t even have to be a massive surveillance state like China (not that there’s no surveillance in other states but there’s certainly a qualitative difference to mainland China) to get it to work, you just have to move quickly and competently, provide good guidelines, and have most people follow them or get punished for not following them, like Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, etc. i agree, taiwan and south korea were just as able to contain this pandemic without going to the same measures china did and they both are things to look at but, considering the extent of china's lockdowns i don't know how you can't look at their similar situations and claim that china is the one with a massive coverup to hide hundreds of thousands dead. you can't hide exponential growth and all of the "sources" claiming there's a cover up are american-funded propaganda outlets and just flat out "CHINESE PEOPLE ARE LIARS" LimburgLimbo posted:I also think that the cremation thing is very shaky evidence at best and that it’s being repeated so much mostly just says that there’s no good evidence, but “I saw something the other day” and not linking it or providing any more information is just as bad dude you're right, i was irresponsible for not linking it. i was speaking off the cuff but i found the source i got it from https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1246156916797116419
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Georgia's stay at home directive took effect at 6pm tonight, but the beaches were reopened 1-2 hours later. What? How? I uhhh, what? Is this like a loving trap? Like go to the beaches they are open, but j/k stay at home is in effect so welcome to jail style poo poo?
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Serf posted:is meniscus moldbug still around Maybe he’s hanging out with Lucian witnrich the third
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Zotix posted:Georgia's stay at home directive took effect at 6pm tonight, but the beaches were reopened 1-2 hours later. What? How? I uhhh, what? Is this like a loving trap? Like go to the beaches they are open, but j/k stay at home is in effect so welcome to jail style poo poo? nobody here knows what the gently caress is going on. my mom is being told that after two weeks of work from home they're supposed to come back next week
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spaceblancmange posted:https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1246241766782545920 "They coughed on me." is the new "Stop resisting!".
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Spoondick posted:bad news is ive developed a cough, chills and a fever... the good news is fevers are like free drugs for me i'll be praying for you spoondick
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Celexi posted:Taiwan owns I think you mean Formosa.
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Shipon posted:i agree, taiwan and south korea were just as able to contain this pandemic without going to the same measures china did and they both are things to look at but, considering the extent of china's lockdowns i don't know how you can't look at their similar situations and claim that china is the one with a massive coverup to hide hundreds of thousands dead. you can't hide exponential growth and all of the "sources" claiming there's a cover up are american-funded propaganda outlets and just flat out "CHINESE PEOPLE ARE LIARS" The Chinese government lies about its massive slave/torture camps constantly. The notion that they wouldn't lie about this to improve their image is absurd. It's incredibly easy to cover up which deaths are COVID-19 and which are not. The US is doing the same thing already with plenty of undiagnosed flu/pneumonia/respiratory failure deaths. We certainly aren't testing the undiagnosed bodies. Lots of countries are going to lie about their COVID-19 figures before this is through.
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Serf posted:is meniscus moldbug still around this dude's wikiquote page is filled with the most amazing poo poo quote:Can democracy terminate democracy? Isn't this a contradiction in terms? Not at all. Here is one straightforward way by which Americans can terminate democracy: elect a President who has promised to cancel the Constitution. Once he is inaugurated, he can cancel the Constitution. Of course, the military must also support this autogolpe. This given, the operation is trivial and entirely safe. one weird trick states DON'T want you to know!!!
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Taintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/naderdissa/status/1246232950007627776?s=21 It's a libertarian paradise!
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Inceltown posted:I present to you this short film called "USA's response to COVID" for a moment i thought that was a collection of shaving brushes that plink's cats had brought him
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Vox Nihili posted:The Chinese government lies about its massive slave/torture camps constantly. The notion that they wouldn't lie about this as well is absurd. It's incredibly easy to cover up which deaths are COVID-19 and which are not. The US is doing the same thing already with plenty of undiagnosed flu/pneumonia/respiratory failure deaths. We certainly aren't testing the undiagnosed bodies. i don't doubt that the true total might be higher but that's more due to the same factor as other countries which didn't count all the deaths properly. china's true death total will be higher but for the same reason as every other country's, and we won't find out except in a decade after careful studies of mortality rates and whatnot. china isn't shovelling mountains of dead bodies into mass graves and incinerators, no matter what the new york times would have you believe. they lie about the slave/torture camps because they don't give a poo poo about the uighurs. they do, actually, have an incentive to not let their population die off in a mass pandemic.
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Grapplejack posted:this dude's wikiquote page is filled with the most amazing poo poo holy poo poo its amazing
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Serf posted:nobody here knows what the gently caress is going on. my mom is being told that after two weeks of work from home they're supposed to come back next week Yeah I live in Atlanta now. I have recently lived in Glynn country which was probably a big driver of getting the beaches open, and what a shithole that place was. I'll tell my employer to gently caress right off if I'm told I can no longer work from home.
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Shipon posted:i don't doubt that the true total might be higher but that's more due to the same factor as other countries which didn't count all the deaths properly. remember when people here were posting that 4chan "research" that they said proved 14 million rona deaths in china
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Zotix posted:Yeah I live in Atlanta now. I have recently lived in Glynn country which was probably a big driver of getting the beaches open, and what a shithole that place was. I'll tell my employer to gently caress right off if I'm told I can no longer work from home. tybee island should be burned to the ground in a videogame
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:lol I just had the most grand realization today. Yeah basically this, look at how slowly Italy deaths and cases are falling with a more strict lockdown than we have, we're gonna be a lot worse than that.
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So I went out today during the "lockdown" here in FL and it's about as busy as it ever was. Nothing has changed
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Phi230 posted:So I went out today during the "lockdown" here in FL and it's about as busy as it ever was. Nothing has changed Same thing in Georgia. I had a teledoc appt this morning and had to go to CVS to get a prescription filled, and the roads were ~75-80% of a normal workday. I drove to CVS and immediately back home. I bet the rest of the people on the road weren't doing the same thing.
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Vox Nihili posted:The Chinese government lies about its massive slave/torture camps constantly. The notion that they wouldn't lie about this to improve their image is absurd. It's incredibly easy to cover up which deaths are COVID-19 and which are not. The US is doing the same thing already with plenty of undiagnosed flu/pneumonia/respiratory failure deaths. We certainly aren't testing the undiagnosed bodies. When France and Italy and Spain weren't getting an accurate report of their death tolls it was because resources were stretched so thin that people couldn't check up on old folks homes to count the numbers of seniors dead in theirs beds of corona When China does it, it's because they're lying?
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Vox Nihili posted:Lots of countries are going to lie about their COVID-19 figures before this is through. Given the nature of our global economy and state actors, I don't think any will. why would they?
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Zotix posted:Georgia's stay at home directive took effect at 6pm tonight, but the beaches were reopened 1-2 hours later. What? How? I uhhh, what? Is this like a loving trap? Like go to the beaches they are open, but j/k stay at home is in effect so welcome to jail style poo poo? The beaches closing were from popular resort towns closing themselves the gently caress off because rich dipshits from New York Atlanta Miami Chicago etc keep deciding to ride the pandemic out on vacation, deplete the local groceries, and bring the virus with them to small towns with far less medical resources. See Jersey Shore, Hamptons, Sun Valley Idaho, Edwards Colorado etc. Kemp is a dumb dumb CHUD governor whose resisted putting in place a stay at home order. Now hes putting it in place about three weeks too late but also hes doing the newly popular CHUD move of also repealing and forbidding stricter local measures from taking effect. Which means Tybee Island and other tourist communities on the coast are being forced to reopen because its moved from local mandate to state.
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Phi230 posted:So I went out today during the "lockdown" here in FL and it's about as busy as it ever was. Nothing has changed Uh... that's because you're in Florida. The people there are dumb as gently caress, op. Present company excluded, hopefully.
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D1E posted:Uh... that's because you're in Florida. The people there are dumb as gently caress, op. Nah I'm dumb as poo poo and it rules
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:lol I just had the most grand realization today.
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Zeriel posted:The southern states are useless dead weight and for the 2nd time they are going to needlessly kill millions of Americans. As a Kentuckian I am really enjoying the plot twist of Kentucky AND West Virginia having a more competent and quickly done response than almost any other state except maybe Washington and Cali while the rest of the South burns itself down to the ground out of spite as expected.
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snoo posted:is there a reason I couldn't boil or bake an N95 lol baking them for like 30 mins at 150 is apparently effective. Look up the actual numbers (was from some study) before doing it obviously
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MaxxBot posted:Spent an hour refreshing +1321 deaths hoping for +1337 And like 1120 for France, yikes!
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Serf posted:is meniscus moldbug still around moldbugs actually a successful computer guy. the last i saw of him were his emails to steve bannon about how he got drunk with peter thiel that were written in the exact same tone as a GBS guy in 2005 proudly describing drinking four IPAs
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Shipon posted:i don't doubt that the true total might be higher but that's more due to the same factor as other countries which didn't count all the deaths properly. We'll never be able to confirm the figures out of China. Maybe they're accurate to a reasonable extent (good faith estimates that downplay only somewhat) or maybe they're off by an order of magnitude. China was also placed in the unique position of experiencing it's first cases before anyone had any inkling of what was going on. In terms of drawing comparisons to the United States, we can look at countries like South Korea and immediately see that the US response has been laughably ineffective at a glance anyway.
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Zeriel posted:The southern states are useless dead weight and for the 2nd time they are going to needlessly kill millions of Americans. the governments of the southern states, sure
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