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Darth Walrus posted:He may be thinking he can pull an Attlee here. I don't have a detailed enough understanding of the wartime coalition to get whether that's workable, though. He might be thinking it for the same reason.
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Gonna be honest, the personal attacks on Azza are loving disgusting and making me reconsider my opinion of this thread. I don't agree with how they voted, but people are acting like Glinner in blackface has just popped in to do a reading from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They're a good poster and as far as I can tell a good person, and posts likeGonzo McFee posted:Just dumb as all gently caress. (and dozens of others) are *way* over the line. A lot of people ITT really seriously need to take a deep breath and work out what they actually stand for, because I don't think this kind of thing is helping anyone.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They're a good poster and as far as I can tell a good person Azza Bamboo posted:It's a loving flu, we'll get through it and some grannies will die and a few nurses will quit their NHS jobs in favour of the much less stressful cosmetic procedure industry. Life goes on whoop de doo.
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All I'm seeing is that some people on the right, Phillips included, are wanting appointments. Not that theyre anywhere near. For sure it'll hurt a lot of feelings in the possible scenario where Abbott gets the boot. What needs to be seen, though, is what they come out with.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Gonna be honest, the personal attacks on Azza are loving disgusting and making me reconsider my opinion of this thread. I don't agree with how they voted, but people are acting like Glinner in blackface has just popped in to do a reading from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They're a good poster and as far as I can tell a good person, and posts like lmao gently caress up.
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Azza Bamboo posted:All I'm seeing is that some people on the right, Phillips included, are wanting appointments. Not that theyre anywhere near. Are you actually going to be shocked when the Labour right get the good appointments and the left are reduced to an absolute rump or the most niche positions if not fully excised?
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An opinion expressed (in slightly less direct terms) by a lot of posters in this thread (and around the entire internet) last month. But by all means keep Helldumping someone to try and justify acting like a total oval office to someone. Dig out the posts I made joking about how great politics will be when all the boomers die while you're at it. There's been some serious Lord of the Flies energy in the last few pages, and I hope people can reflect on this in a few days time and realise that (and what it means more broadly for their politics).
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Apr 4, 2020 12:49
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Abbott already said a month ago that she wants to return to the back benches: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51607512
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goddamnedtwisto posted:An opinion expressed (in slightly less direct terms) by a lot of posters in this thread (and around the entire internet) last month. But by all means keep Helldumping someone to try and justify acting like a total oval office to someone. Dig out the posts I made joking about how great politics will be when all the boomers die while you're at it. I’m the beast
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Gonzo McFee posted:lmao gently caress up. Seriously take a good long look at yourself and how you've acted.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:An opinion expressed (in slightly less direct terms) by a lot of posters in this thread (and around the entire internet) last month. But by all means keep Helldumping someone to try and justify acting like a total oval office to someone. Dig out the posts I made joking about how great politics will be when all the boomers die while you're at it. https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1246393098617446400 Be Kind Online.
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Well that was a fun (checks calendar) 3 months in the Labour party but I think my money might be better spent rejoining the union instead.
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I for one am glad that I can now stop pretending to care about Labour and treat them just like the Democrats. Now where did I put my cybernat shitposting handbook...
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Bobstar posted:Well that was a fun (checks calendar) 3 months in the Labour party but I think my money might be better spent rejoining the union instead. Quitting the union to join Labour is a pretty interesting move in the first place
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...Out of interest, what exactly did the thread expect Starmer to say? "Haha no! We won't work constructively with you! We're going to impede and question your every motive, bwahaha! For it is I - Starmer! *twirls moustache*"? If he did the opposite of saying Labour will work constructively on the current pandemic they'd be absolutely crucified.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Quitting the union to join Labour is a pretty interesting move in the first place Sorry, not very clear, I left the union a few years ago when I left the country and (sort of) the industry, but being reminded of the importance of unions when we were being Covid shut down made me think I should still be supporting them, if only financially.
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Coohoolin posted:I for one am glad that I can now stop pretending to care about Labour and treat them just like the Democrats. Yeah, it's a weird kind of relief in its way Also, Azza, I think you've made a terrible mistake and I hope you come to recognise that's the case, but if I have stepped over the line into cruelty then I apologise. It's not good for either of our insides
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Are you actually going to be shocked when the Labour right get the good appointments and the left are reduced to an absolute rump or the most niche positions if not fully excised? It depends where your scalpel makes the cut on left and right. I can see Abbott getting the boot, which is a huge token statement that she didn't deserve. Is Rayner's election to the right? Well she's had lovely opinions on trans issues but on the economic front I'd have a hard time saying she's a Tory. As for who else they come out with, if Kinnock becomes a shadow something then I say "yeah, this was misguided"
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goddamnedtwisto posted:An opinion expressed (in slightly less direct terms) by a lot of posters in this thread (and around the entire internet) last month. But by all means keep Helldumping someone to try and justify acting like a total oval office to someone. Dig out the posts I made joking about how great politics will be when all the boomers die while you're at it. Sorry if calling someone a loving idiot for voting like a loving idiot isn't  enough for you.
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Communist Bear posted:...Out of interest, what exactly did the thread expect Starmer to say? "Haha no! We won't work constructively with you! We're going to impede and question your every motive, bwahaha! For it is I - Starmer! *twirls moustache*"? If he did the opposite of saying Labour will work constructively on the current pandemic they'd be absolutely crucified. There’s doing effective opposition, and there’s working with the government. They’re very different things.
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I never voted until Corbyn, might switch to the Greens now, as a signal that my vote is still there but just not given out for free to centrist dickheads that work against me and my friends. I'm sure after a long purge of the left wing of the party, they'll be back cap in hand not begging for us to vote for them, but demanding it on a moral basis because of that lesser of two evils poo poo. gently caress em. Corbyn was the compromise.
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Tarnop posted:Sorry if calling someone a loving idiot for voting like a loving idiot isn't I've said my piece and I hope people will reflect on how they've acted.
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Apr 4, 2020 12:57
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Sanitary Naptime posted:There’s doing effective opposition, and there’s working with the government. They’re very different things. You can't do effective opposition if you set fire to your house before you have even started.
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Apr 4, 2020 12:58
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Losing the NEC seats is almost a bigger self-own for the labour left because as a FPTP contest they were purely about putting up consistent candidate slates. Instead everyone and their grandmother had their own set of left-slates due to petty infighting vs the united slates of Labour First/Progress.
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Jose posted:How did the nec results go I stopped paying attention One Progress candidate, one Labour First candidate. Hoping they turn out to be secret leftists
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Apr 4, 2020 12:59
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Well lads after 5 heady years the Labour Party is back to being shithouse again. Get involved in local non-electoral politics imo. gently caress em.
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I remain surprised that Long-Bailey did so badly. Only a third of the membership? drat. Owen Smith did better in 2016. On the deputy race Burgon survived until round three... successfully making enemies, but not displacing them. Of all the big losers here, the Unite faction seems to have fared the worst. Webbe is off the NEC too. Corbyn has urged supporters to join Momentum yesterday.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:An opinion expressed (in slightly less direct terms) by a lot of posters in this thread (and around the entire internet) last month. But by all means keep Helldumping someone to try and justify acting like a total oval office to someone. Dig out the posts I made joking about how great politics will be when all the boomers die while you're at it. But that poster's opinions leads to ppl dying?
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Lightningproof posted:Well lads after 5 heady years the Labour Party is back to being shithouse again. Get involved in local non-electoral politics imo. gently caress em. Let's all join AFed
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Lightningproof posted:Well lads after 5 heady years the Labour Party is back to being shithouse again. Get involved in local non-electoral politics imo. gently caress em.
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Yeah I posted about Azza's coronavirus post initially but tbf only a few people called them out on it at the time and there were quite a few other people expressing similar sentiments, including "oh it'll only kill the most vulnerable so it's no big deal" and "more people will die of car accidents every day than coronavirus will ever kill in one day" so it definitely wasn't just them who looks bad in hindsight.
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Communist Bear posted:You can't do effective opposition if you set fire to your house before you have even started. Yeah there’s no hope of effective opposition from labour under starmer. Wonder how long before the Carrie Symonds story gets pulled out, the moment a whiff of anything less than full cooperation with the government comes out no doubt.
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If Corbyn didn't quit Labour through the Blair years I'm pretty sure we can hang on through Starmer. Personally I'm reserving judgement. We need to remember he's only been an MP since 2015, and despite being an Oxford grad he wasn't exactly born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I doubt he's a proper socialist at heart but from he's at least positioning himself as further left than Blair, Brown or even Miliband. Best case? He's the palatable face and personality the PLP need to make them get behind more left-wing policy offerings. Worst case? He tries to take Labour back sharply to the right and the left is cast (again) into the political wilderness for decades. But we'll be back. Socialism or barbarism remains the only choice facing humanity in the long term and we need to be around to offer the 'socialism' bit.
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Eyeballing the NEC list it still looks like the left still has a comfortable majority of the seats The left still has the NCC and will continue to hold it until this year's Conference at least. Starmer has already pledged to abolish the NCC - but that would have to wait until Conference too. So I guess this year's will have especially bitter fireworks, at least if the 'rona subsides by then
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Personally I'm going to wait and see what Starmer actually does, but I'm not optimistic. If he keeps the left policies I'll stick around even if talk and cabinet are very centrist. Obviously there are some red lines like scapegoating minorities, benefit claimants, immigrants, trans people, etc. I don't think he's incapable of winning an election (if only because this country is full of people who don't pay attention to politics at all). It'll depend on what he'll do if he wins, and he'll almost definitely be better than the tories. I won't work up a sweat for neoliberal policies, but I'll campaign for leftist ones even if they're being touted by a neoliberal shitter. jabby posted:If Corbyn didn't quit Labour through the Blair years I'm pretty sure we can hang on through Starmer. Yeah agreed.
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Jose posted:Lol I'm probably done then It means the NEC balance is back to ~2017 levels. Corbynite majority but not by much. It means that Jennie Formby will probably remain as Gen Sec, but other Corbynites who've hosed over more people (e.g. Karie Murphy, Karie Murphy, and erm, Karie Murphy) are dead in the water.
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