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Coohoolin posted:I for one am glad that I can now stop pretending to care about Labour and treat them just like the Democrats. Yeah I'll stick around long enough to see them do poo poo that makes me cancel my membership then go back to what I was doing before Problem is I voted SNP before and theyr handling the covid thing embarrassingly badly. Its become extremely clear they have no real power at all and just follow in whatever bojo does but say they did it themselves.
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I'm going to hang on and see. Starmer might turn out to be a floppy Milliband 2.0. He might turn out to be the dull, boring suit wearing rock of a competent politician that everyone wants to hear amid the chaos. He might take a move from Boris' playbook- "say what they want, and do what you want". The next election will be in a completely different world to the last. Desperate conservatives are flat out implementing a Labour manifesto. We're off the loving map. There are plenty of people ITT pretending that they were only pretending to care about Labour right now, and I understand the disappointment. There was a sense, for a while, that we were winning. In the face of such a defeat, the instinct is to disown the lot, run and hide. Live in a cave off grid. But the Labour party are still the biggest political party in Europe. Its left wing is in finer fettle than it's been for decades. We're battle hardened. We've got connections. We've learned from the Labour right how to play the underdog game. This party isn't over until the last one of us stops dancing.
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Apr 4, 2020 13:50
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https://twitter.com/Trickyjabs/status/1246411799102140417 People just gave up.
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Jimbola posted:Yeah agreed. The pile-on on Azza has been particularly ugly. Supporting technocrats is particularly ugly
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Apr 4, 2020 13:53
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Communist Thoughts posted:Problem is I voted SNP before and theyr handling the covid thing embarrassingly badly. What have they been screwing up? Haven't particularly noticed anything in the media about it, except that Sturgeon can deliver more concise and coherent speeches compared to Johnson.
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Hoping for the best but I don't see how electing the centrist is in any way the practical or good option given how the worlds going. Either way the labour right basically threw a years long tantrum over the membership daring to elect a left leader and now they've gotten their way it'll never happen again. Thats how unity works I guess lets all be kind and sensible just as long as the arm of the party with MSM support has absolute control. Also yeah things got nasty but Azza coming in here with his redpill SOCIALISM IS IMPOSSIBLE poo poo seemed needlessly antagonistic
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Apr 4, 2020 13:57
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Azza Bamboo posted:I never said the people are pathetic I said the excuses that socialists make for their failures are pathetic. When you're trying to get into power "It's not fair" doesn't cut it. I agreed with that post entjrely It's still wicked dumb to vote for starmer imo Anyway. Some people saying pidcock or raynor might have swung it. Nah labour isn't voting for a woman leader any time soon. That's what kiers "Authority" pitch meant. And it worked well. My mum has been banging on about labour unwilling to elect a woman leader for literal decades and it does seem to be very true so far. RLB was particularly shite but so was the whole field and at least RLB didn't mean scrapping the last 5 years and trying to do Brown again
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Apr 4, 2020 13:58
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Prince John posted:What have they been screwing up? Haven't particularly noticed anything in the media about it, except that Sturgeon can deliver more concise and coherent speeches compared to Johnson. They've more or less just marched in lockstep with the Tories in regards to whatever they're doing. So the failings of the Tories are theirs too. They just hide it better because, like you said, Sturgeon is more coherent than Boris.
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stev posted:Seriously did all of the Corbynites in the party actually vote for Keir? Have they just collectively given up? I don't think there ever really was a specific "Corbynite" figure. Corbyn's thing was unifying, bringing together the radical left, Labour hard left, moral / fairness left who wanted a just generally "better" society, and people who wanted things to be better for themselves personally. There wasn't really a common foundation to Corbynism other than Corbyn himself. Most of the Corbyn supporters weren't radical or hard left, and have a different model of how the world (and politics) works. From that point of view, Corbynism and (what they see as) radical leftism has failed, and who does RLB represent? Radical left would vote for her but not with any enthusiasm, orthodox left would probably be ok with her, but for the others she's not particularly inspirational or a moral leader, or she's a relic of a failed strategy which couldn't help them out. Jose posted:in other good news i just made an excellent bacon and egg sandwich and absolutely recommend the enconca carolina reaper sauce. by far the nicest of their main sauces and no hotter than them ed: Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Trickyjabs/status/1246411799102140417
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Azza Bamboo posted:It's easy for you to criticise now that your preferred outcome will never be put to the test. I can't show you what another five years of socialists making pathetic excuses for themselves looks like. "Stop making excuses for the ship sinking" I say as I jump into the water covered in chum.
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Azza Bamboo posted:I never said the people are pathetic I said the excuses that socialists make for their failures are pathetic. When you're trying to get into power "It's not fair" doesn't cut it. Then let me retract my previous statements; you're not a gullible idiot. You just cast a vote in a gullible and idiotic way for a gullible and idiotic reason, while also holding a lot of opinions that I consider idiotic. I hope that conforms to the strict rules of polite discourse here on somethingawful.com
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Apr 4, 2020 14:02
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Trickyjabs/status/1246411799102140417 Yeah, to be fair its hard to marshal people when an election is 5 years away
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Communist Thoughts posted:Yeah I'll stick around long enough to see them do poo poo that makes me cancel my membership then go back to what I was doing before That was my first reaction too but subsequent reports seem to indicate they're handling it a fair sight better than that. https://www.thenational.scot/news/18343608.pm-decided-close-schools-pressure-fm/?ref=fbshr Also the testing rates so far are a little bit higher in Scotland at the moment. Still early days though so we'll see how it pans out. The 6 month rent and eviction ban is a good step, but will potentially cause problems at the end of the period if people can be evicted after the ban for being in arrears. The lack of protection for rural communities from people escaping cities for their second homes is what I'm most upset about.
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Prince John posted:What have they been screwing up? Haven't particularly noticed anything in the media about it, except that Sturgeon can deliver more concise and coherent speeches compared to Johnson. She's very good at speeches compared to bojo, and is acting within her limited remit basically to produce "expert guidelines". But not a peep from them during the herd immunity plan, and not a peep from them since then about Westminster handling this badly. They have been full on LARPing that she is prime minister. Like announcing the lockdown before bojo was gonna do it anyway, announcing pub closes just before he was gonna do it anyway. Basically the question on the SNP has always been whether they actually want to rule or they like their position where they have power but not full responsibility. This points towards the latter imo. It's such a huge sign that Scotland needs devomax as a matter of life and death, but nothing from them on that. Also clearing Salmond of his multiple assaults on the same day the lockdown buried all news. The SNP looks corrupt as poo poo rn. Which makes sense, I wouldn't expect anything else from a dominant regional party.
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Apr 4, 2020 14:03
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I'm gonna go for the sick flip off the back propeller.
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Communist Thoughts posted:
That's a weird attitude to take given that Salmond and his allies are convinced the accusations were a stitch up from the Sturgeon faction originally. Salmond's a sleazy fucker but I don't think the SNP rigged a trial that saw him exonerated by a jury.
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Apr 4, 2020 14:06
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Jel Shaker posted:Yeah, to be fair its hard to marshal people when an election is 5 years away The absence of a really good candidate doesn't help
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jabby posted:They don't need one, it's just their least worst option. They know it will help confer legitimacy on Starmer's Labour after they spent so long trying to remove it from Corbyn. But they are desperate to avoid carrying the can for this gently caress up. why do you think forming a government of national unity is less worse than continuing with their large majority to govern alone? you don’t see it happening in other countries affected as badly or worse by the pandemic. as bad as this gets, it’s not an existential threat to the UK itself
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Firos posted:I'm gonna go for the sick flip off the back propeller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz4JSTXuP9E
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Prince John posted:
you’re probably right. I don’t have Sky to check the actual interview. oh god, I’ve been unfair to Jess Philips. this is a new personal low
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Jel Shaker posted:Yeah, to be fair its hard to marshal people when an election is 5 years away Like in 2015?
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Cerv posted:why do you think forming a government of national unity is less worse than continuing with their large majority to govern alone? They might not end up going for it. But if they do, it will only be to avoid sole blame and maybe to try and exert some influence over Starmer/Labour. Honestly they'll probably just offer 'co-operation' without actually changing the government. I was just making the point that if they do offer a GNU, it will be because they have no better options and Starmer should accept because he would have no better options.
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Cerv posted:you’re probably right. I don’t have Sky to check the actual interview. It's impossible to be unfair to Jessflaps, you're okay
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Coohoolin posted:That's a weird attitude to take given that Salmond and his allies are convinced the accusations were a stitch up from the Sturgeon faction originally. Salmond's a sleazy fucker but I don't think the SNP rigged a trial that saw him exonerated by a jury. Internal party disputes spilling into the courts with rape allegations getting quashed suggests corruption to me You say sturgeons faction, so what's stopping salmonds faction rigging the courts? Whether salmond got off through a salmond faction judge or just classic UK courts not trusting women it doesn't make a huge amount of difference to my first paragraph imo. Love you hoolie, stay safe
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Lot of loving whining going on in here. Re: Stormgale posted:Last I remember he was the one palling around on Mumsnet, I could be wrong though. Yes, Starmer did a Q&A on Mumsnet. No, he was not supporting an anti trans agenda. https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/04/labour-leadership-hopeful-keir-starmer-mumsnet-trans-rights-human-rights/ (10 seconds in the search engine of your choice). Guilt by association alone is bullshit.
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yo next time vote for the purges when we've got the option. also someone become lenin tia, i will write your speeches
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They do not need Starmer to corral Labour MPs They do need Starmer to corroborate that the expert advice the government claims to be acting on is indeed the expert advice received by the government (this is not normally under question but in the age of Boris Johnson trust has fallen to especial lows) They also need to defang Labour from any future attacks like "why didn't you challenge the expert on X or ask them to clarify on Y" by letting LOTO have the opportunity directly national unity - probably just idle columnist sketching. Having LOTO sit in on the meeting - likely and it does seem to be what Starmer has agreed to do. This does not make it less of a trap (the actual minister still retains much more oversight than a shadow minister sitting in for thirty minutes) but it also gives the opposition the opportunity to press for an official position on questions the government might prefer to leave open-ended ronya fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Apr 4, 2020 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:Internal party disputes spilling into the courts with rape allegations getting quashed suggests corruption to me So you're saying that the SNP internal fighting has leaked over to the High Court? That seems a reasonable belief and not at all mental.
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EmptyVessel posted:Lot of loving whining going on in here. Starmer didn’t sign the Trans Rights pledge, RLB and Nandy did. This was on purpose to attract the TERFs.
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Lorra new posts today... 😧 Think the treatment of Azza was pretty hosed up and I hope he continues contributing to the thread, although certainly wouldn't blame him if he doesn't. That's all, thanks in advance for calling me a dumb gently caress too if you want.
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I'm very disappointed for Dawn Butler, she got my vote with Burgon as 2nd pref. I'm not enthused by Starmer but I don't think quitting the party is right. Of course Reeves as Shadow Chancellor and Jess Phillips in the Shadow Cabinet may make me change my mind.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Internal party disputes spilling into the courts with rape allegations getting quashed suggests corruption to me The "Salmond faction" is not largely present in the leadership of the SNP, and would have less power to attempt to rig a trial. As for UK courts not trusting women, I believe the jury was mostly comprised of women- not that women are immune from misogyny and rape culture.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Starmer didn’t sign the Trans Rights pledge, RLB and Nandy did. This was on purpose to attract the TERFs. Demonstrable fact or merely presumption?
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biglads posted:I'm very disappointed for Dawn Butler Me too. I actually voted Burgon 1 Butler 2 in the faintest chance an odd-couple leadership, though I never expected it to work out.
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