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Apr 4, 2020 17:48
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Hashy posted:I didn't literally mean achievement—never cared for them—so much as engaging with the game at its highest endorsed challenge. There's such a thing as encouraging dumb gameplay and not being able to make more than one mistake in a row for 5 hours crosses that line for me. The game is basically easy on nightmare at this stage but occasionally yes I will get boxed in a corner and be evaporated for reasons I can't fully strategize around. The people running this game don't do it that consistently either. It's a video game, dude
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Apr 4, 2020 17:54
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Hashy posted:I didn't literally mean achievement—never cared for them—so much as engaging with the game at its highest endorsed challenge. There's such a thing as encouraging dumb gameplay and not being able to make more than one mistake in a row for 5 hours crosses that line for me. The game is basically easy on nightmare at this stage but occasionally yes I will get boxed in a corner and be evaporated for reasons I can't fully strategize around. The people running this game don't do it that consistently either.
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Apr 4, 2020 17:54
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Highest endorsed challenge
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Apr 4, 2020 17:56
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Starks posted:Is there a point of no return for replaying missions? There is a point at which you'll be locked out of all fortress stuff until you've completed the game, and this is called out with both an in game line and a tutorial pop up.
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Apr 4, 2020 17:59
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I think Ultra Nightmare is stupid but that's just a reason not to play dumb gimmick difficulties, not to not play the game entirely
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Apr 4, 2020 18:04
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Arist posted:I think Ultra Nightmare is stupid but that's just a reason not to play dumb gimmick difficulties, not to not play the game entirely But the social contract
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Apr 4, 2020 18:09
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Between lore chat, the guy who couldn’t beat an archvile on the easiest difficulty, and now whatever this is, this thread has really overdelivered imo
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Apr 4, 2020 18:15
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It's weird to me to see this sort of critique, because sectioning off all the poo poo I don't like into its own gimmick mode would basically be my ideal case. I guess one can take issue with the fact that what should, in fact, be presented as a gimmick mode is instead being presented as the highest tier of a conventional difficulty ladder. It's like if Diablo 2 had permadeath suddenly appear when you got to Hell difficulty rather than being its own distinct game mode. I can see that argument.
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Apr 4, 2020 18:16
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Most people will not stand a chance on even regular Nightmare. It remains to be seen if I'll even have the fortitude to get through it. But I don't consider myself not having finished Doom Eternal, because I did finish it on UV and it presented a reasonable challenge to me all the way through and it gave me what I wanted from it. I've also never played the original Doom (1993) on Nightmare because it's not fun for me and, as the game literally tells you when you select it, it's not remotely fair. But it was put in the game post-release because people complained that UV was too easy and wanted a real challenge. There's no way to tune the difficulty so that everybody can play it at its hardest without it being way too easy for some people, so the safest compromise it to make it so that almost nobody will be able to complete it at its hardest. Steam achievements are meaningless except for one thing: they indicate what the developer expects of completionists. In Doom Eternal's case, there's nothing in there about difficulty levels, implying that it's purely for fun to play on Nightmare instead of UV, or ITYTD for that matter. If you truly care about fulfilling the social contract between the dev and player or whatever, the Steam achievements list is probably the closest thing to an endorsement of completion you'll find. Everything else is just between you and yourself.
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Apr 4, 2020 18:17
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Jack Trades posted:
ooh, which one is this
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Apr 4, 2020 18:59
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I wouldn't play ultra nightmare because of how much I loathe the gladiator boss and his ability to pretty much two shot you on nm and the end boss having the ability to do a big fist attack through walls for 100 damage. In a perfect world where both those obstacles were excised, then I think I could reasonably do it with a bit of persistence, given how smoothly extra lives mode went for me. I could probably figure out consistent ways to overcome those bosses consistently too if I spent a few hours practising and working at it, but I don't want to because the game just doesn't hold my attention enough to try. Outside of a tricky start and those aforementioned difficulty spikes, DE is fundamentally a game where you can neutralise most significant threats instantly with sensible resource usage and fights are static enough so you can build strategies to crush them. You can ignore the far more dangerous slayer gates and gore nest encounters and have enough magic tokens to upgrade your three important weapons to carry you through the entire game relatively quickly. Fundamentally, I think it's a reasonable challenge to have out there and is 'fair' enough. A challenge doesn't have to be something replicable over and over - a lot of great doom 2 uv-max demos require a lot of grinding and there's a vast amount of variance in that game, where a single projectile can instantly gently caress you over. Like with any game involving chance and chaotic situations, a good player can minimise the risk to themselves over time through good decision making and massively increase their probability of success. DE gives you lots of health, armour and ammo on tap with iframes galore so there's always opportunities to recover from mistakes. Even the bottomless pits won't kill you when you gently caress up platforming unlike many other games. It doesn't require a gigantic investment of time for every attempt or waste the player's time with mindless busywork for hours before putting up a brick wall of difficulty and enough people seem to have been able to achieve it already so I can't see the problem myself. But like others have said it doesn't matter. If you think it's unfair, changes the way the game works to radically or silly then just treat it like the original doom's nightmare mode and don't worry about it. Nobody is out there inspecting ultra nightmare passes.
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Apr 4, 2020 19:09
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OxySnake posted:Also, if you miss any challenges / secrets etc you can go back with full cheats and get them. The mission select with cheat codes letting you grab secrets is a nice touch. Wouldn't mind fast travel but I think they did a good job of letting you go back to hunt down remaining things without punishing.
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Apr 4, 2020 19:19
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Escape Goat posted:The mission select with cheat codes letting you grab secrets is a nice touch. Wouldn't mind fast travel but I think they did a good job of letting you go back to hunt down remaining things without punishing. Yeah its pretty nice, with full cheats you can blitz through the levels until you get to the point you need. Like I think I got through both necrovals in 10 minutes or so
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Apr 4, 2020 19:25
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Pollyanna posted:ooh, which one is this Ultra-Nightmare run. I'm not confident in my ability to git gud to be able to do it. 
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Apr 4, 2020 19:31
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Jack Trades posted:Ultra-Nightmare run. I'm not confident in my ability to git gud to be able to do it. Yeah, I think im pretty decent at the game, then I get owned on the 2nd level and welp. I've half considered learning speed run glitches, and alt F4ing out when I actually have to fight.
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Apr 4, 2020 19:44
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If you use mastery tokens you don't get the achievements or milestones  Oh well
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Apr 4, 2020 20:08
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:If you use mastery tokens you don't get the achievements or milestones I don't know about milestones but I used 4 or 5 of the mastery tokens and I have the Steam achievement for mastering all mods in one save slot. edit: I have the milestone as well BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 4, 2020 |
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Apr 4, 2020 20:11
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Maybe it's a bug then. Oh well no regerts, I'd rather lose the achievement to a bug than do the microwave beam mastery
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Apr 4, 2020 20:13
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I should have gotten the remote detonation mod for the launcher first. You can grind out the lock on mastery on the Taras Nabad slayer gate when they throw fifty Prowlers at you. Not that the lock on mastery is any good, mind you. It's a great way to slow down your rocket burst or waste ammo as you fire off half your ammunition instead of deleting the single target you wanted dead.
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Apr 4, 2020 20:14
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Arcsquad12 posted:I should have gotten the remote detonation mod for the launcher first. You can grind out the lock on mastery on the Taras Nabad slayer gate when they throw fifty Prowlers at you. Prox mastery goes by super fast thankfully, because it's "gimmick" is still killing trash every mouse click and very fast to spam out. Unlike "Hold on, hold on, I need to shoot the floor to warm up my heat blast without killing you" or "75 headshot kills. Kill me now" As for the restrictive feeling nature of multi lock when you only have 13 rockets tops? Instead think of it as not having to start over when an imp leaps in front of the first lock like hell's secret service. fadam posted:Between lore chat, the guy who couldn’t beat an archvile on the easiest difficulty, and now whatever this is, this thread has really overdelivered imo Section Z fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Apr 4, 2020 |
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Apr 4, 2020 20:22
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Lock-on was my go-to when I needed to get rid of a Revenant or Whiplash when there was too much more dangerous stuff around them. I'm not saying I'm a good player though.
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Apr 4, 2020 20:24
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Jack Trades posted:Ultra-Nightmare run. I'm not confident in my ability to git gud to be able to do it. I mean the one where you got that cool arch.
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Apr 4, 2020 20:47
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i'm pretty sure it just refreshes the flag on whether they are able to be gloryholed or not, i've tested 50 punches on a zombie to apparently zero actual damage dealt because it requires the same amount of pellets to kill it after that What kind of sick game is this
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Apr 4, 2020 20:59
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I've been playing the poo poo out of the game, I absolutely love it. I managed a pretty good Hudless Nightmare run on 2016 so I was pretty confident. I hadn't played it in awhile.l, though. It kicked my rear end at the beginning, and I had a real hard time adjusting to all the mechanics they throw at you in the first two levels I beat it on UV and immediately replayed it on UV and I finally really got it. The gameplay is everything I wanted and more from this game. I've just been unlocking things, doing a extra lives run on easy to get the Phobos skin and get used to the levels more. I'm really looking forward to the DLC, I would imagine it's going to be prequel stuff like what happened between the two games, and something with the Night Sentinels, but who knows. Question, do you unlock anything by doing the fights in the basement of the base? I completely forgot about it during both runs.
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Apr 4, 2020 21:01
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Pollyanna posted:I mean the one where you got that cool arch. Beat Extra Life mode with more than 10 lives left.
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Apr 4, 2020 21:05
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Pollyanna posted:I mean the one where you got that cool arch. Extra lives "beat it with 10+ spare" and even Ultra Nightmare don't list gates. But I expect a lot of people go for extra lives mode and perfection at the same time to double up on per save slot challenges. Oh right. The famine cheat challenge will give you a gate covered in tentacles and eyeballs.
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Apr 4, 2020 21:07
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Just started my play through of Nightmare and completed the first and second level with under 8 deaths. This game knocks the wind out of me mentally. I have to kinda focus and see the arena around me to know what I need at certain times when kiting enemies around. I got weapon swapping a bit with the early game going on and knowing that has helped me out a lot so far. But I just know this game is gonna kick me back down when I meeting the later heavy mobs.
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Apr 4, 2020 21:20
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Dunno why these master levels taking so long. Just replace the spawns, 1/2 imps, 1/4 tyrants, 1/4 archviles 
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Apr 4, 2020 21:49
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Haven’t posted in this thread since the day I uninstalled the game but thanks for the dumb loving avatar. Why don’t you use that $10 towards something more meaningful next time, like donating to Doctors Without Borders or some other group currently swamped with Covid 19 cases.
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Apr 4, 2020 22:08
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when did people stop being able to make red text titles funny
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Apr 4, 2020 22:13
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GenderSelectScreen posted:Haven’t posted in this thread since the day I uninstalled the game but thanks for the dumb loving avatar. Why don’t you use that $10 towards something more meaningful next time, like donating to Doctors Without Borders or some other group currently swamped with Covid 19 cases. goddamn between this and the bad marauder red text someone in this thread sucks rear end at doing these
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Apr 4, 2020 22:15
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I don’t find that avatar funny; why does being trans insinuate that I’m a furry? I’m not; but the fact that someone would think that’s a funny response has something really wrong in the head.
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Apr 4, 2020 22:16
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GenderSelectScreen posted:I don’t find that avatar funny; why does being trans insinuate that I’m a furry? I’m not; but the fact that someone would think that’s a funny response has something really wrong in the head. You need to step away you melting down isnt helping you at all in this. Just walk away and buy a new avatar.
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Apr 4, 2020 22:17
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I just beat the game on UV. I got it on release day but took my tim, doing about a mission a day or so. It took me a while to get used to all the mechanics and I still wasn't used to juggling them all by the end. I didn't find myself using Flame Belch very often in combat, instead using the flaming meat hook to get armour back. I kept forgetting to use grenades even though the utility of the ice grenade is obvious. I also didn't use blood punch very often and the times I tried didn't work out very well for me; during the final boss I stuck with the Crucible to take out things larger than fodder that got in my way and didn't bother bloodpunching even though there were tons of refill pickups for it. I'm going to play through the game in a fresh save file and see if I can improve. The gameplay is fantastic and I hope there is some good single player DLC or expansions (do they even do expansions anymore???) coming down the road.
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Apr 4, 2020 22:21
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Katamari Democracy posted:You need to step away you melting down isnt helping you at all in this. You’re right. I had wanted to come in here and apologize earlier for how I was responding when I lost my temper but honestly this is more childish than me failing at beating a game on easy. This place feels more and more like 4chan with each passing day.
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Apr 4, 2020 22:25
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BattleMaster posted:I'm going to play through the game in a fresh save file and see if I can improve. The gameplay is fantastic and I hope there is some good single player DLC or expansions (do they even do expansions anymore???) coming down the road. Hey friend I beat the game on UV too. And yes, there is a 30 dollar pass up for sale now to get the next two expansions coming out this year. I too love this game. It's what I needed during these trying times.
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Apr 4, 2020 22:26
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GenderSelectScreen posted:Haven’t posted in this thread since the day I uninstalled the game but thanks for the dumb loving avatar. Why don’t you use that $10 towards something more meaningful next time, like donating to Doctors Without Borders or some other group currently swamped with Covid 19 cases. gently caress sake Whoever is doing these avs you suck rear end
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Apr 4, 2020 22:28
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Moola posted:gently caress sake Yeah, the whining was definitely red text worthy, but what a sad red text.
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Apr 4, 2020 22:35
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man someone's got a hair trigger for red text avatars in here huh
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