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Sten Freak posted:They found the virus in pangolins. Are they eaten in China, used for TCM or both? TCM for sure, I don't know if they're also eaten.
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Grand Fromage posted:TCM for sure, I don't know if they're also eaten. Whew, good thing they included the exception for TCM in the new exotic animal laws to ensure the pangolins will still flow.
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shovelbum posted:The thing about pigs is that they very specifically breed weird flu. It's not a great situation either. just breeding weird flus isn't enough. You also need animal-human transmission. That requires prolonged close contact between animals and people, which relative to many traditional animal husbandry practices isn't as much of a problem in modern large scale feedlots. LimburgLimbo posted:The recent focus on China’s death count is primarily a pathetic propaganda attempt by the US. I haven't really seen much propaganda on this front really, except maybe itt. For example a reporter on NPR (American state media) the other day concluded that while China's covid numbers are probably an under count, the trend is probably real.
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yep. if the reported trend wasn't basically accurate (maybe not actually 0 cases per day but even just low double digits would be good), then they wouldn't be having such a hard time opening the economy back up without a resurgence of the virus
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If you don't think everyone in China is dead from Covid-19, you're a tankie.
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Apr 4, 2020 18:39
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China is like #53 or something. Taiwan tho? #1
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Apr 4, 2020 19:29
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Sten Freak posted:They found the virus in pangolins. Are they eaten in China, used for TCM or both? Both. Here's a CCTV/CGTN video about someone getting criticized online after bragging about eating pangolin. One picture is pangolin blood fried rice, and the other is some sort of soup or stew with pangolin meat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZY7x1166EQ I'm pretty sure pangolin is one of those things that people ostensibly eat for "health" benefits but in reality use it to show off their wealth.
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We dismiss things that Trump says and don't give him the benefit of the doubt on things because he has lied so often and so blatantly that you would have to be a giant idiot to believe anything he says based solely on his word. This is the exact same rationale for why you shouldn't believe anything the CCP says. This is not some sort of fringe theory at this point, it's common sense.
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Sten Freak posted:They found the virus in pangolins. Are they eaten in China, used for TCM or both? I saw one on the menu once in Vietnam and when I asked about it they said they were out. It was about $20 for a meal which is crazy expensive.
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Apr 4, 2020 21:40
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How many pangolins do you think Xi Jinping and his crooked family have eaten?
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Apr 4, 2020 21:47
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0 what kind of peasant billionaire would settle for pangolin when you can eat a tiger
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Depends on how easy it would be to gold-plate one, I guess.
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hakimashou posted:How many pangolins do you think Xi Jinping and his crooked family have eaten? Today? 4 or so
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hakimashou posted:How many pangolins do you think Xi Jinping and his crooked family have eaten? Well, he doesn't have Corona yet, so I guess not enough.
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Although it's hard to stomach the zoonotic explanation, if it helps stop pangolins etc being eaten I'll push that narrative
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Apr 5, 2020 05:08
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If only they'd been harder to stomach
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Kharnifex posted:Although it's hard to stomach the zoonotic explanation, if it helps stop pangolins etc being eaten I'll push that narrative What alternative explanation is there to zoonosis?
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Kharnifex posted:Although it's hard to stomach the zoonotic explanation, if it helps stop pangolins etc being eaten I'll push that narrative Isn't that... literally the truth though? Reservoir of respiratory viruses live in bats, pangolins carry it, close contact with the animals gets people sick? No more strange than stuff like dengue coming from monkeys or Ebola or even like Lyme disease is in deer and we get it from ticks. The only special thing about the covid virus and it's ilk is they don't need the parasite intermediaries like many of the sicknesses we're used to. Don't let bats cough on you I guess.
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Apr 5, 2020 06:09
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I thought it was an eating and poop joke.
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threelemmings posted:Isn't that... literally the truth though? Reservoir of respiratory viruses live in bats, pangolins carry it, close contact with the animals gets people sick? No more strange than stuff like dengue coming from monkeys or Ebola or even like Lyme disease is in deer and we get it from ticks. It just seems really convenient. early on, there was a few tinfoil hat theories, like the virus being released accidentally locally. My fave one was research animals being sold for food Atopian posted:What alternative explanation is there to zoonosis? The most hilarious one is deliberate spreading to downplay xinjiang slave workers in the apple store and combatting the trade war hakimashou posted:How many pangolins do you think Xi Jinping and his crooked family have eaten? Enough to make a five piece suit Telsa Cola posted:I thought it was an eating and poop joke. Yes i was trying to push a mess Kharnifex fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Apr 5, 2020 |
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hakimashou posted:How many pangolins do you think Xi Jinping and his crooked family have eaten? Zero. This type of ostentatiousness is reserved for the neuveau-riche or petty millionaires. People who're only mildly wealthy in the grand scheme of things and need to flaunt it to their friends and family. The totalitarian dictator of a nuclear armed pseudo-superpower? gently caress no, Xi isn't eating any goddamn bats for dinner.
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Rime posted:The totalitarian dictator of a nuclear armed pseudo-superpower? gently caress no, Xi isn't eating any goddamn bats for dinner.  bat.jpg
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Wasn’t the clip of the woman eating a bat actually from Indonesia?
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Wasn’t the clip of the woman eating a bat actually from Indonesia? Palau
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There is several bat videos, eating fruit bats is more an Islander thing, Palau and Papua niu guinea etc Some interesting videos emerging of mainlanders buying up masks in America, not linking them.
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Kharnifex posted:Some interesting videos emerging of mainlanders buying up masks in America, not linking them. I saw an infuriating video posted by one of the motorcycle guys, which if it ever got widely publicized on fox or whatever would absolutely become an excuse for lovely hate crimes against anyone billy bob thinks looks chinese
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Yeah, the one I saw earlier is a mainlanders trying to poo poo on Hong Kongers by pretending to be one and doing nefarious poo poo Ignorants won't know the difference or care
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Apr 6, 2020 03:40
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Kharnifex posted:Although it's hard to stomach the zoonotic explanation, if it helps stop pangolins etc being eaten I'll push that narrative It's not like it came out of nowhere. https://twitter.com/doctorkarl/status/1241602531366539266
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It's not like it came out of nowhere. To be fair, how many such statements are made about diseases or other health concerns that do not turn out to be a worldwide pandemics? It is easy to now look at things like that and make sanctimonious twitter posts while the world is burning from a SARS pandemic. However, that's a reaction fully in hindsight. How prominent was that paper in 2007, and how many other similar papers were published alongside it about other topics.
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didn't SARS mk1 happen pretty much the same way
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Cheesemaster200 posted:To be fair, how many such statements are made about diseases or other health concerns that do not turn out to be a worldwide pandemics? It is easy to now look at things like that and make sanctimonious twitter posts while the world is burning from a SARS pandemic. However, that's a reaction fully in hindsight. How prominent was that paper in 2007, and how many other similar papers were published alongside it about other topics. What's the point of doing epidemic research at all if you're going to blow it off every time because "Yeah, they are actually researching this and not just making wild guesses or anything. But... What if they are wrong?"
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The US even followed the report's advice and set up a pandemic unit. Until Trump closed it and fired everyone for not being "loyal" enough.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:The US even followed the report's advice and set up a pandemic unit. Cutting costs! 
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If any of you are still living in China or planning to be, you might want to reconsider and think about what things might look like in a year or two. When all this is over there are going to be a lot of people all over the world looking for justice or compensation for all the death and economic destruction the PRC has caused, and one of the only ways the communist party or angry nationalist mobs will be able to retaliate is against the persons of foreign nationals living in China.
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hakimashou posted:If any of you are still living in China or planning to be, you might want to reconsider and think about what things might look like in a year or two. This is advice that I would consider if you are a visible foreigner living in China. Unfortunately the reverse is true as well. One thing that I am worried about (besides all of the obvious things to be worried about) is that my visibly Chinese wife and half-Chinese son might face some sort of very visible (probably audible) discrimination when this blows over. Luckily we're moving back to Ontario, and on the island we're well-known and liked, but still, this kind of thinking gives me the odd sleepless night.
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We got a several million euros worth of medical PPE from China, mainly masks, gowns, goggles, gloves etc and over 1/3 of the shipments are not fit for purpose. The stuff we can use is the shittiest quality gear I've ever had to use. I'm seeing articles from several other EU countries including Spain and the Netherlands saying the same things. Just lol
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hakimashou posted:If any of you are still living in China or planning to be, you might want to reconsider and think about what things might look like in a year or two. Yeah I'm in Australia where there's nothing more Australian than to tell the people who run the Vietnamese bakery to gently caress off back to China, if that gives an idea how a lot of people seem to be feeling, and I think as time goes on more people are going to be demanding our government grow some balls (lol) and tell China to please pay bill for the endless river of money they're giving out. Best that can come out of this clusterfuck is maybe something will happen to cause the Chinese themselves to overthrow the commies which would probably lead to a couple million of them getting shot until the soldiers get tired of murdering their own people (happens) then a new happy era of Taiwan number one can begin and wealth beyond measure will resume for all. plz critique this fan fic
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Setting a trend of originating countries paying for pandemic sounds like it could lead to interesting places. I mean, not that this sort of thing is going to get beyond a "minor diplomatic negotiation tool" level, but if it did.
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