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Aphrodite posted:He lost the hot claws before Dawn of X. Thats her. Thank you. She was a bad idea so i dropped the whole return thing snd only came back to X for house/powers.
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maltesh posted:I can think of at least a few panels where Spider-Man has been ripped off a wall or a ceiling and come away with little pieces of debris stuck to his fingers and toes. Spider-Girl (the OG one, not Arana) had a development of her stick-'em powers where she could stick other people and things to the same surface she was on. She can also launch objects with her powers (so if she's stuck a pipe to her hands, she can 'fire' it). I think that Peter's also passively used his powers to stick his mask to his face so people can't unmask him easily?
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bessantj posted:Was "Heroes in Crisis" any good? Oh sweet child.
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bessantj posted:Was "Heroes in Crisis" any good? Heroes in Crisis was not good.
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Rhyno posted:Oh sweet child. Oh, that sounds promising! How Wonderful! posted:Heroes in Crisis was not good. Oh. 
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bessantj posted:Was "Heroes in Crisis" any good? Arguably the worst event since Identiry Crisis.
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bessantj posted:Was "Heroes in Crisis" any good? No. There were some flashes of interesting, IMHO (Gnarrk!), and it was certainly pretty, but it was not good.
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I also found the art pretty gross outside of a very cool spread with Booster Gold and Blue Beetle. For the most part there was an uncomfortable tension between trying to tell a pretty somber story about super heroes and mental illness, and pencils that constantly had all the women twisting and contorting in ludicrously male-gazey ways.
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Retro Futurist posted:There's also the Counter Earth from that weird not-2099 Spider-Man cartoon, not sure if that counts as separate God, Spider-Man Unlimited. I haven't thought about that show in years. NASA sends a space probe to the Counter-Earth. It is destroyed. NASA sends John Jameson on a manned mission to the Counter-Earth, to demand answers. Venom and Carnage (hostless symbiote pals) sneak aboard the ship. Spider-Man is spotted trying to stop them, but fails. Contact is lost, Spider-Man is blamed. A distress call is received. Spider-Man steals the space shuttle for the next manned mission to the Counter-Earth, announces that he's doing it to rescue John Jameson, and pretends Peter Parker is coming along with him. No screen time is spent telling Mary Jane, his wife, he's doing this.
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Apr 4, 2020 23:35
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bessantj posted:Was "Heroes in Crisis" any good? If for some reason you really hate Wally West, then it was excellent. Otherwise, it was a garbage fire.
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It's quite disappointing because a super hero murder mystery does sound like it could be fun. What makes Heroes in Crisis so bad? Is Batman: Hush good for the mystery thing?
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bessantj posted:It's quite disappointing because a super hero murder mystery does sound like it could be fun. What makes Heroes in Crisis so bad? Is Batman: Hush good for the mystery thing? Hush is kinda fun because all of Batman's major villains show up, but as a mystery it's not great.
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bessantj posted:It's quite disappointing because a super hero murder mystery does sound like it could be fun. What makes Heroes in Crisis so bad? Is Batman: Hush good for the mystery thing? Wat if heroes had PTSD like me. What if the PTSD is caused by me figuring out everything I believed is a lie. What if I write a story where I have ptsd because I found out the war crimes I did because of a lie overwhelmed me and I tried to pin it on other victims of ptsd.
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HiC is poo poo as a murder mystery but it's also not really interested in being a mystery and is upfront about that.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:HiC is poo poo as a murder mystery but it's also not really interested in being a mystery and is upfront about that. Yeah. It's ostensibly more about how superheroes would react to PTSD and what therapy in a superhero universe would look like-- both pretty good questions, but handled really glibly and shoddily in HiC, mostly because for one thing by the end of the first issue the superhero therapy retreat has been almost entirely massacred, and secondly because King is more interested in structuring the plot around the idea of superheroes needing therapy as a big scandalous shock rather than thinking seriously about what that therapy would constitute. There are some fun talking heads segments where mostly obscure characters talk about their traumas and issues that are pretty compelling but ultimately the story is more interested in these characters as tragic victims and corpses than as people, which is a shame because I think beneath the dumb spectacle there's a decent idea at the base of the mess. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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bessantj posted:It's quite disappointing because a super hero murder mystery does sound like it could be fun. What makes Heroes in Crisis so bad? Is Batman: Hush good for the mystery thing? Read Astro City Tarnished Angel. That's all you need (well I guess Top 10 as well) but if you want a superhero murder mystery Tarnished Angel is the best thing you will read. Also I remember hearing that HiC was like Identity Crisis and that said everything I needed to know about the title.
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Madkal posted:Read Astro City Tarnished Angel. That's all you need (well I guess Top 10 as well) but if you want a superhero murder mystery Tarnished Angel is the best thing you will read. reading "Tarnished Angel" is good advice whether you want a mystery or not, it is brilliant
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Thanks for the replies. I agree with How Wonderful! that super hero PTSD and therapy would be interesting especially if that character has died and been resurrected. I have been meaning to read Astro City the premise seems really interesting and the reviews always seem good.
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I think Poison Ivy finished doing a face turn in HiC so there is that I suppose.
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Nessus posted:I think Poison Ivy finished doing a face turn in HiC so there is that I suppose. And Blue Beetle (Ted) and Booster Gold were back together (bros before heroes) and helped solve the mystery and save the day, so there was also that.
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If you want good comic book mysteries just read everything Brubaker has ever done
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bessantj posted:Was "Heroes in Crisis" any good? Probably the worst crime a CIA agent has ever been involved in.
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Marvel must have used the "It's not Attuma" joke by now in a comic, right?
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Vincent posted:Probably the worst crime a CIA agent has ever been involved in. Holy poo poo 
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How does one pronounce “Sub-Mariner?”
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Beerdeer posted:How does one pronounce “Sub-Mariner?” sub-mare-in-er, just like the people who drive submarines.
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Mariner with Sub- in front of it, not submarine with -er on the end of it.
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Lobok posted:Mariner with Sub- in front of it, not submarine with -er on the end of it. Yeah, this.
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now i'm trying to say submarine as sub-mariner without an er on the end.
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Ghostlight posted:now i'm trying to say submarine as sub-mariner without an er on the end. In Link's Awakening, Link was the dom and Marin was the sub.
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Thanks. Last night I was reading Agents of Atlas and started to wonder if I'd been doing it wrong all along. I had it right.
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I could swear there's an old panel where the Thing calls him "Sub-mahreener," but then no one is looking to Ben Grimm for elocution lessons.
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I've been a bit behind reading through the Marvel catalogue. I've just finished the Avengers v Defenders crossover and it was pretty good. Is this the first crossover of its type (i.e. over several issues rather than just two)?
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bessantj posted:I've been a bit behind reading through the Marvel catalogue. I've just finished the Avengers v Defenders crossover and it was pretty good. Is this the first crossover of its type (i.e. over several issues rather than just two)? There were a few two part crossovers before. The time the FF and Avengers went up against the Hulk around issue 25 of FF, for example. The Avengers/Defenders War is probably the first big crossover, though.
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Random Stranger posted:There were a few two part crossovers before. The time the FF and Avengers went up against the Hulk around issue 25 of FF, for example. The Avengers/Defenders War is probably the first big crossover, though. Even with DC?
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bessantj posted:Even with DC? I can't even think of a storyline that went between two comics at DC until the mid-70's. DC was generally more focused on single issue stories (there's some big and interesting exceptions in the 60's, but I'm generalizing). Even when there was a storyline that involved multiple heroes teaming up, it was confined to just one comic. There weren't stories that started in Flash and finished in Green Lantern. The first example of this that I know of occurred when Roy Thomas moved to DC and started up All-Star Squadron where there were a few story arcs that jumped over to JLA and then back again.
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Thanks. So this didn't kick off the seemingly endless crossovers that we have, when did that start?
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bessantj posted:Thanks. So this didn't kick off the seemingly endless crossovers that we have, when did that start? That one is easy: 1985. Up to that point, there were the occasional storylines that moved between series. Then we get into the 80's and people realize that they have have an epic storyline in its own special comic and that will be an event. Marvel's Contest of Champions is the first such event books and a few years later that was followed up with the even bigger Secret Wars. The thing is, however, that 95% of this stuff was contained in just those series. In Secret Wars, some characters that were participating had an event at the end of one issue where they wind up in ship taking them to battleworld, then in the next issue they return and something is different: She-Hulk has replaced the Thing in the FF or Spider-Man has a spiffy black costume. You had to read Secret Wars, though, to see how that event happened. Despite some problems, that worked out really well for Marvel and DC decided to get into the act but they took it one step further. Crisis on Infinite Earths had a year long build up where every single comic in the DC line had a page somewhere during that year where a mysterious figure was monitoring the heroes. Then the 12-part series kicked off and it wasn't self-contained. Most of it was there, but subplots would trickle out to "See current issue of Whatever for what happens next!" and those ongoing series would suddenly drop into the middle of the Crisis story and tell readers that they should have been reading Crisis to understand what's going on. The comics tying into Crisis had a banner across the top to let readers know that it was part of that enormous story and response was huge. Well now there was a model for how to do this and make all of the money. Marvel's Secret Wars II followed the Crisis plan exactly right down to the cover indicators telling readers that "Secret Wars II continues in this issue!" Of course, as flawed as Crisis was, Secret Wars II was unimaginably worse. But it still sold piles so it kept going and going. It's mutated a lot since then; writing for the trade means that nobody can just suddenly drop a crossover issue into the middle of their storylines. I doubt we're going to see an end to this until superhero comics themselves come to an end.
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Thanks, that's really informative!  I agree that we won't see an end to crossovers, they do seem to make all the money. I can see some appeal of crossovers, I did enjoy seeing both Thanos and Man-Thing appear in the Avengers v Defenders.
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