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Eej posted:Child-soldiers: not great people Eej posted:I feel sad that Hawks, the one character who really resonated with me, is gonna fuckin die Hmmm....interesting. Do you prefer Raiden, or Jack? TheHan posted:Also Twice killed somebody like, one chapter ago. They're all on the same page here. Man that guard James Bond killed probably had a family too...
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Lt. Lizard posted:Hawks is one of the very few people in this manga that actually murdered someone in cold blood. He is absolutely a horrible person, but he is also an incredible character and I hope he sticks around for a while longer. Really stretching the definition of "cold blood" here. That would be Dabi roasting people he thinks aren't good enough for the League, but offscreen doesn't count.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:34
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It's gonna be intensely funny when Hawks, a man molded by and mutated by the systems of society at large who then decided to go on to defend those systems, dies to some cry baby loser who went through something similar and just wants to burn it all down, literally. Here lies Hawks, he learned no lessons and idealized a man who would tell you himself that he's a worthless sack of poo poo.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:35
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It's gonna be intensely funny when Hawks, a man molded by and mutated by the systems of society at large who then decided to go on to defend those systems, dies to some cry baby loser who went through something similar and just wants to burn it all down, literally. I get what you're saying, but that doesn't happened unless Tokoyami gets crippled or killed. Don't you dare put that evil on him.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:42
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oh jay posted:I get what you're saying, but that doesn't happened unless Tokoyami gets crippled or killed. Don't you dare put that evil on him. I could see him just getting punted away eventually. Hawks doing one act of actual heroics before getting finally owned, setting Tokoyomi up for an appropriately chuuni revenge drive.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:43
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cool chapter but i had to do the  motion when i saw dabi's identity is still being teased out
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Apr 5, 2020 19:45
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The fight between Dabi and Tokoyomi is going to get interrupted when Gigantomachia wakes up and bursts through the ground, sending them flying in different directions. There's also still enough of Hawks' backstory left unknown that he'll probably make it out of here alive.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:46
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Hori chickened out a bit and had Fatgum run the rest of the kids out of the Gigantomachia own-zone so I think we have the answer on if he's up for killing the kids, probably.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:51
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i'm fine with not seeing children murdered, even if one of them is less a child and more a terrifying mushroom gremlin
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Apr 5, 2020 19:53
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Same.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:55
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There’s no way in hell hawks survives, maybe he gets nomufied at best? And with dabi bringing back stain after all this time there has to be a jail break on the horizon surely?
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Apr 5, 2020 19:56
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I forgot what did Stain want, that Dabi is trying to bring forth?
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Apr 5, 2020 19:59
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Stain wanted hero society gone too but hated the heroes AND villains
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Apr 5, 2020 20:01
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Electric Phantasm posted:I forgot what did Stain want, that Dabi is trying to bring forth? Stain thought most Heroes were phonies who didn't deserve to be called that and wanted every Hero to be All Might-tier moral. As such, he liked Deku because he lived up to that but hated everyone who may have even the barest minimum of interest in self-gain, including Iida's brother who from what we've seen in Vigilantes was actually completely dedicated to helping people but also had the great sin of having his own agency and probably getting a good amount of money out of his life-risking job. Dabi is full of poo poo though and it's pretty obvious his goals aren't the same as Stain's, he's just a psycopath that has a gigantic hate boner for his dad (not without reason, mind you) and translates that to hatred towards society in general because everyone must be just as bad as Endeavor, but even that feels like just a lame excuse for the reality of him being a horrible human being.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:06
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Kind of loving the dramatic irony here -- Hawks finding out that the idealized figure of Endeavor in his head, as the man who'd do anything to surpass All Might... is entirely correct, and that it's specifically that ambition he admired (and even unconsciously emulated, maybe, through his "pragmatic assassin fighting to improve Hero society via extrajudicial murder" shtick) that made Endeavor a horrible, horrible person. Complete with getting directly fire-murdered by that ambition's byproduct.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:08
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Dabi: You took everything from me. Endeavor: I don't even know who you are.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:09
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Hmmm....interesting. Do you prefer Raiden, or Jack? I'll have you know I take him at face value when he says all he wants is a society where heroes won't have to do anything
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Apr 5, 2020 20:27
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Eej posted:I'll have you know I take him at face value when he says all he wants is a society where heroes won't have to do anything Still at Raiden. You'll get to jack one day.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:33
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Man that guard James Bond killed probably had a family too... James Bond is like the one example you coulda picked where the narrative criticizes his actions!
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Apr 5, 2020 20:40
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By the way, we saw Twice's body.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:10
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Endeavour pancaking dabi was cool
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Apr 5, 2020 21:11
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oh jay posted:Really stretching the definition of "cold blood" here. Him killing was Twice was deliberate and dispassionate act which is literally the definition of "in cold blood". You don't have to be a mass-murdering psychopath like Dabi to be capable of being ruthless.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:13
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Lt. Lizard posted:Him killing was Twice was deliberate and dispassionate act which is literally the definition of "in cold blood". You don't have to be a mass-murdering psychopath like Dabi to be capable of being ruthless. I'm probably splitting hairs about the difference between "being cold blooded while murdering" vs "murdering in cold blood. He's clearly emotionless when doing it, but it's war. Jose posted:Endeavour pancaking dabi was cool That was a High End.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:21
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Jose posted:Endeavour pancaking dabi was cool That was him coming to help Mirko and flattening the nomu that was stopping her.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:22
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profileusername posted:That was him coming to help Mirko and flattening the nomu that was stopping her. Yep -- Endeavor, Mirko, Crust, Eraser, Mic, and presumably the other crack duelists are at the hospital going after Dr. Garaki, Shigaraki, and the High-Ends. The hideout is where all the general brawlers and wide-range heroes are since that's where the MLA is. The city, near the hideout, is where most of the students and sidekicks are, doing evac.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:31
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If the heroes were going to have any shot at winning here, Twice had to be captured or killed. He single handedly overturns any sort of numbers advantage the heroes can muster and turns the whole encounter into a total war of attrition if he cuts loose. Hawks made a very cold and pragmatic choice but I don't know what other option he had. I've really liked these last few chapters. Hawks is a great character and so was Twice. Dabi reiterating the very first thing he said when he first entered the story actually kind of surprised me. I wasn't expecting him to actually still be motivated by Stain, but I kind of respect it.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:32
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No wonder Dabi messes up all the time, he doesn't believe in the power of evil friendship.
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profileusername posted:That was him coming to help Mirko and flattening the nomu that was stopping her. Oh lol
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I really don't think you can be called a horrible person for using lethal force against a guy who very much could single-handedly turn the tides of this battle and cause the deaths of hundreds of heroes and civilians. I love Twice but he is a murderer and the stakes here are seriously way too high to mess around. Hawks tried doing it non-lethally as much as he could, but there wasn't any other option at that point. I'm not sure how this is going to go down now though. I think, ironically, Dabi's blue-flames won't actually produce enough bright light to seriously affect Dark Shadow. This could be a great match-up for Tokoyami. He's pretty hosed otherwise though.
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Brother Entropy posted:cool chapter but i had to do the if you turn up the brightness on your monitor you can actually tell what he said that freaked Hawks out so much he said im gay
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Apr 5, 2020 21:39
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Rhonne posted:No wonder Dabi messes up all the time, he doesn't believe in the power of evil friendship.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:41
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It's a shame because itd be funny if endeavour did kill dabi to save hawks then hawks told him who it was
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Tokoyami's going to rip Dabi in half.Rhonne posted:No wonder Dabi messes up all the time, he doesn't believe in the power of evil friendship.
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It's true, one of the worst and most dangerous things you can do in a manga is mock or deride the concept of friendship. It's like gluing a giant fist magnet to your face.
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Apr 5, 2020 22:15
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Dabi is going to be a hard matchup for Tokoyami.
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Jose posted:It's a shame because itd be funny if endeavour did kill dabi to save hawks then hawks told him who it was That would be a trip. "hey endeavour turns out the bad guy you just BBQd was actually your presumed-dead son!" Also is there a betting pool for Deku, Todoroki, and Bakugo having to hold back Gigantomachia from reaching the town before the evacuation is complete? I don't see anyone beating the beastly this early in the story but the three of them fighting such a high ranked threat to a standstill right now would fit.
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Apr 5, 2020 22:41
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Turns out that Endeavor has known that Dabi is Touya from the start and doesn't really care.
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Apr 5, 2020 22:51
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oh jay posted:I'm probably splitting hairs about the difference between "being cold blooded while murdering" vs "murdering in cold blood. He's clearly emotionless when doing it, but it's war. It isn't war, it's a police raid. Though in either context shooting a fleeing opponent in the back is not an action one typically considers heroic.
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Apr 5, 2020 22:54
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ZiegeDame posted:It isn't war, it's a police raid. Though in either context shooting a fleeing opponent in the back is not an action one typically considers heroic. He wasn't running away. He was running towards the bigger battle, intent on killing heroes to protect the villains.
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M_Gargantua posted:That would be a trip. "hey endeavour turns out the bad guy you just BBQd was actually your presumed-dead son!" It's going to be Kirishima going beyond Unbreakable in order to protect Mina in a callback to his flashback during the Overhaul raid.
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