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Mar 18, 2020 05:45
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much like my brain
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Mar 18, 2020 06:03
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it makes sense that amd is good again just as the apocalypse happens
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Mar 18, 2020 11:38
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advanced microbe disasters
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Mar 19, 2020 00:42
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Soricidus posted:advanced microbe disasters
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Mar 19, 2020 00:50
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rip cooper lake. ironic since it's shitcanned for not ripping them threads so well!
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Mar 19, 2020 01:43
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Soricidus posted:advanced microbe disasters
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Mar 20, 2020 13:11
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:rip cooper lake. ironic since it's shitcanned for not ripping them threads so well! jesus christ intel is in a bad spot if the stock market weren't plunging this would have wrecked their stock price
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Mar 20, 2020 15:38
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how did intel get itself into such a bad place? for the longest time they had the best virtuous cycles: they make the best chips so they sell the most chips so they have the most money so they spend the most on r&d so they keep making the best chips - and in volumes where their efficiencies of scale make it a really hard loop for another company to break why did that stop working? what undid them? was it the rise of arm/mobile?
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Mar 20, 2020 15:54
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diminishing returns on process efficiency and the general shitshow that has been their 10nm process?
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Mar 20, 2020 15:56
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FMguru posted:how did intel get itself into such a bad place? for the longest time they had the best virtuous cycles: they make the best chips so they sell the most chips so they have the most money so they spend the most on r&d so they keep making the best chips - and in volumes where their efficiencies of scale make it a really hard loop for another company to break dumping 16 billion into atom based phones and tablets instead of getting 10nm to work didn’t help. idk if that’s the only thing, but that’s a lot of money. thats also the unwritten thing that got BK fired from the CEO post (consensual fraternization with a subordinate was the listed reason i would bet that’s not the “whole” story, as he got fired right around when all the 10nm delays started getting announced)
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Mar 20, 2020 16:00
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:dumping 16 billion into atom based phones and tablets loving ouch
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Mar 20, 2020 16:16
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cooper never made much sense as a product except as a sop to the oems who had icl mobos ready to go but no icl to put on them and rome at the door not hitting 10nm on schedule has been loving them for a long time, losing the process hammer was one big advantage and when phone cpus went high feature and high volume that generated a lot of fab workload that used to be driven by pcs
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Mar 20, 2020 16:23
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FMguru posted:how did intel get itself into such a bad place? there's no need to innovate on cpus when your one theoretical rival spends a decade flubbing it
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Mar 20, 2020 16:50
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Lutha Mahtin posted:there's no need to innovate on cpus when your one theoretical rival spends a decade flubbing it AMD seems to be doing great though?
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Mar 20, 2020 16:56
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Asleep Style posted:AMD seems to be doing great though? it was a pretty incredible turnaround from bulldozer
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Mar 20, 2020 16:58
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yeah, the point is their turnaround and how it shows intel was coasting for years brb gonna compile linux in 90 seconds
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Mar 20, 2020 16:58
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yeah you tend to take your foot off the gas when you have no competition and no reason to innovate or get better
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Mar 20, 2020 17:05
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PCjr sidecar posted:cooper never made much sense as a product except as a sop to the oems who had icl mobos ready to go but no icl to put on them and rome at the door cooper lake was necessary as a sop because ice lake sucks balls EIDE Van Hagar posted:dumping 16 billion into atom based phones and tablets instead of getting 10nm to work didn’t help. idk if that’s the only thing, but that’s a lot of money. that's 16 billion across like ten years. not a lot of money by intel's standards also they need a lot of side businesses to use up out-of-date fab capacity. they still have operating 22 nm fabs in addition to 14 and 10, and some even older than 22
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FMguru posted:how did intel get itself into such a bad place? for the longest time they had the best virtuous cycles: they make the best chips so they sell the most chips so they have the most money so they spend the most on r&d so they keep making the best chips - and in volumes where their efficiencies of scale make it a really hard loop for another company to break
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Mar 20, 2020 19:05
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:it was a pretty incredible turnaround from bulldozer bulldozer took amd this close to bankruptcy they sold literally 100% of their physical assets. they're fabless now lol
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Mar 20, 2020 19:09
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genius
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Mar 20, 2020 19:22
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:dumping 16 billion into atom based phones and tablets instead of getting 10nm to work didn’t help. idk if that’s the only thing, but that’s a lot of money. the atom thing was a waste of money, as were modem chips. but intel has a lot of money to waste without it hurting them. as for BK, if things are going well, the board covers up whatever happened there. if things are going poorly, they use it as an excuse to fire. clearly they had other reasons they wanted him gone
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Mar 20, 2020 21:02
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
icl design is fine, or would have been if fabs had shipped 10nm anywhere near on time. ipc is better than the skl derivatives. doesn’t clock as high but again that’s 10nm. they explicitly didn’t backport icl to 14 (and couldn’t lol). one of the recent intel futures planning for a backport to previous nodes for future uarchs if (when) fabs gently caress up again
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Mar 20, 2020 22:13
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:bulldozer took amd this close to bankruptcy which has in the long run probably been a really good call, owning fabs is a fools errand
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Bloody posted:which has in the long run probably been a really good call, owning fabs is a fools errand well the amd/ibm joint venture, global foundries, used to be second only to intel. it went to hell after amd sold their stake as ibm lost interest
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Mar 21, 2020 19:25
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:well the amd/ibm joint venture, global foundries, used to be second only to intel. it went to hell after amd sold their stake as ibm lost interest nah they were at least a year to two behind Intel, see 32 nm lol they has real trouble on previous generations trying to launch a uarch and die shrinks on the same product bulldozers long pipeline was designed for much higher clocks that the fab promised but couldn’t deliver amd didnt have the cash to keep up on foundry tech even when things were going well
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Mar 21, 2020 20:16
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PCjr sidecar posted:
AMD completely repeating what Intel did 2001-2007 with a stupidly high-clocked power hungry pile of poo poo and then a smartly designed multi-threading platform is amazing.
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Mar 21, 2020 20:46
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PCjr sidecar posted:nah they were at least a year to two behind Intel, see 32 nm lol so bulldozer was netburst two, electric boogaloo?
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I bought a 3900x system last week, didn't like the noise levels on the stock amd "wraith prism" cooler and upgraded to a noctua nh-u9s this week I wanted to scream when I undid the cooler clamps and discovered the CPU glued to the back of the dumb amd cooler with a bunch of bent pins because their thermal paste is so sticky  it still works after bending the pins back, but clearly intel has the better socket since the cpu retaining clamp actually goes around the chip. You'd have to pull the whole integrated heat spreader off for the same thing to happen on a intel socket seems like this happens all the time too https://community.amd.com/thread/231853 r u ready to WALK fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 5, 2020 |
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Apr 5, 2020 21:19
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r u ready to WALK posted:I bought a 3900x system last week, didn't like the noise levels on the stock amd "wraith prism" cooler and upgraded to a noctua nh-u9s this week this is why you give the cooler a little twist-twist to break the tim free then make sure you pull straight out, so if it stays stuck it wont bend many/any pins you'll get the hang of it after 5 or 6 of them come out that way 
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Apr 5, 2020 23:38
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AMD chips still have pins??
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Apr 5, 2020 23:44
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The pins are either on the chip (AMD) or on the socket (Intel), doesn't really make a difference. Shaggar is uninformed, what else is new.
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well the intel version is pretty much impossible to bend by accident and the amd ones are pretty hard to keep from bending, so yeah that's a pretty big difference.
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Apr 5, 2020 23:48
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Shaggar posted:AMD chips still have pins?? the non-threadripper ryzens still have pins, yeah. threadripper and epyc are lga tho
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Shaggar posted:well the intel version is pretty much impossible to bend by accident and the amd ones are pretty hard to keep from bending, so yeah that's a pretty big difference. If "bending pins" is a real risk to you, you shouldn't be building computers. wtf are you doing. Really sounds like you're an idiot that knows nothing talking nonsense on a forum.
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one difference is that it's less expensive if the broken pin is on the motherboard rather than the cpu itself
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Progressive JPEG posted:one difference is that it's less expensive if the broken pin is on the motherboard rather than the cpu itself Except it's very hard to "break" pins. What the gently caress are you doing, are you using a hammer to seat your CPU?
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Also, shaggar is a moron. If you agree with an opinion shaggar has, you might be a moron as well. Shaggar has no practical experience with anything he is critical of.
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