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So, Bob of all Trades has said that the 2060 MQ is likely the most powerful Nvidia GPU we are going to see paired with the new Ryzen processors for the majority, if not all, of this year.
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bull3964 posted:So, Bob of all Trades has said that the 2060 MQ is likely the most powerful Nvidia GPU we are going to see paired with the new Ryzen processors for the majority, if not all, of this year. Well, obviously. Nvidia never launches laptop parts on the same day that they launch desktop parts. And it takes a few months after announcement to get them into release products. Even if Ampere releases on-time in August, you're not going to see it in laptops this year. 2060 launched a year ago, so they are doing their first refresh.
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Apr 6, 2020 08:13
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Nevermind next gen parts, I would be fairly shocked if one if the oems didn't pair it with a 2070/80 in a a larger chassis. Find that hard to believe.
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Apr 6, 2020 12:59
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defaultluser posted:Well, obviously. Nvidia never launches laptop parts on the same day that they launch desktop parts. And it takes a few months after announcement to get them into release products. Yeah, not talking about Ampere. Taking about anything in the current lineup. VorpalFish posted:Nevermind next gen parts, I would be fairly shocked if one if the oems didn't pair it with a 2070/80 in a a larger chassis. We'll see, but he seemed pretty sure of his sources that 2070 and 2080 parts were going to be reserved for Intel in the near future. I could see that simply because the Super versions of these are incompatible with Ryzen right now, but I dont think Nvidia is discontinuing the 2070 non-super yet. That said, there's always Radeon graphics.
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, not talking about Ampere. Taking about anything in the current lineup. Oh yeah I missed that they were discontinuing the 2080. Still, the 2070 should be noticeably faster than the 2060mq, and I'd be very surprised if that didn't make its way into the 15 inch+ form factor.
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VorpalFish posted:Oh yeah I missed that they were discontinuing the 2080. Still, the 2070 should be noticeably faster than the 2060mq, and I'd be very surprised if that didn't make its way into the 15 inch+ form factor. Well, forget even the 2070 for a minute and focus on the fact that the 2060 is being limited to the MQ variant, a variant that didn't even exist until the launch of these notebooks. There seems to be a concerted effort to limit the GPU TDP of these Ryzen notebooks to 65w with only 1660Ti MQ and RTX2060 MQ being the offerings from Nvidia. They are clearly targeting a very specific level of gaming performance since the GPU is going to be the biggest limiting factor here. We already have the G15 and A15 announced and they also only have an RTX 2060 MQ as the top graphics choice despite being in a 15" form factor. You have the Dell G5 15, but that's going to have an RX 5600M. MSI has the Bravo 15 which is also RX 5600M. If we look at this another way, the time for manufacturers to announce their Ryzen 4000 lineup is with the launch of the Ryzen 4000. It's not like they are going to suddenly announce more models two months from now (which would then be another 1-2 months away from launch.) Razer isn't going to announce AMD models this year. None of the Chinese ODMs are likely to either since their chassis are based on intel reference designs. The traditional AMD OEMs (Acer, Dell, MSI, and Asus) have announced their Ryzen 4000 series lineups already. I'm not saying this is a Nvidia/Intel conspiracy, but it is likely a perception and product lineup issue. Ryzen 4000 paired with equivalent GPU is going to be the superior solution pretty much every time compared to the current Intel lineup, but how would the OEMs price them? Price them in relative performance and AMD is going to be the more pricey option for the first time which I can understand would give OEMs jitters since this is the first time they are on top in mobile. Price them the same and they create the situation where there's not enough product differentiation. Price them less and you are going to cannibalize the sales of your Intel offerings. So, they are going with the 4th option, create a performance tier not covered by their Intel lineup. I think it's going to take at least a product cycle for the OEMs to have enough faith in the AMD options to let them stand on their own merits in all aspects of the market. The OEMs are understandably nervous about limiting their Intel lineup in order to make room in the product roadmap for the AMD offerings. Things get even more confusing right now with the Super GPUs since Ryzen isn't currently compatible with them. So, you have one machine with the Ryzen 9 4900H w RTX2070MQ and one machine with an i7-10875h w RTX2070 Super MQ. Both are going to perform exceedingly similar on the thing they are being sold for (games) and while the Ryzen 9 will have the edge in multithreaded CPU performance and power usage, both of those are going to be less important for the target market so it's not worth doubling your component inventory (different CPU and different GPU).
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What's the best place to shop for refurb Thinkpads in Canada? Ebay? X1 Carbon is nice, and playing around with a friend's Legion laptop reminded me of how good Lenovo's keyboards are. A sober evaluation of what I actually need for what I'll be using a laptop for versus what shiny bullshit I want has led me to backing off the precipice of a major donation to Tim Apple. Wheeee fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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Apr 6, 2020 18:02
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Hard drive death on my 2017 Acer. It was $350, so eh, ya get what you pay for. Anyone really feeling some of the general use laptops in the $600 to $1000 range? Gaming is nice in theory but I don't want to pay for it since I got a Switch and PS4.
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X390, XPS 13 are fine laptops in the $900 range Apple just updated their MacBook Air and it's really impressive at $999, especially if you don't care about gaming all that much. Between my Switch and my Quest I don't use my gaming laptop but once a quarter now. I almost sold my gaming laptop but got busy with this pandemic thing.
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Old job gave me a macbook air that I used as my personal computer for 5 years, and then I got a new job in February and got fired from it last week, so I'm left with my wife's HP laptop from like 2007 and my 9 year old asus g73 that has a glitchy screen and turns on only some of the time. All that to say I am very out of the loop with computers and whats good these days. What I'm looking for would mostly be used for browsing the internet, I doubt I'll play any games on it, but I do want to render 3D models in Blender and edit videos on occasion. My ideal goal is in the $500 - $600 range, but I can maybe stretch to $800 if it's worth it. Is this a decent deal for a laptop with GTX 1650 at $750? It got a bunch of upvotes on slickdeals at $700, but I can't tell if that is more than I need or if I can get the same performance for cheaper with something that doesn't light up like a christmas tree.
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Apr 7, 2020 01:25
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16:10 is back baby! And upward firing speakers! https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leake...59802.0.html%5C Looks like practically all USB-C though...
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Apr 7, 2020 01:56
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FCKGW posted:
I'm not trying to sound like an Apple dingus (I am, but it's my job), but what is windows S mode all about? Can these two handle "home" windows without a lot of effort ?
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TheReverend posted:I'm not trying to sound like an Apple dingus (I am, but it's my job), but what is windows S mode all about? It's a mode that Microsoft made that is supposed to prevent installation of any application not from the Windows Store and limit the browser to Edge only. It was intended as a cheaper Windows SKU for cheaper laptops with a $50 upgrade path to unlock the "full" version. They (obviously) caught heat for it and now there's just a simple switch to convert it completely over to a regular Windows version completely free. No reinstall or anything necessary. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/128622-switch-out-s-mode-windows-10-free.html
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Seamonster posted:16:10 is back baby! And upward firing speakers! Link redirects to top page, need to delete the %5C off the end of it. Long live 16:10. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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Apr 7, 2020 02:52
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Thanks goons!
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Link redirects to top page, need to delete the %5C off the end of it. Power/fingerprint scanner button is gone. And PgUp/Dn buttons are useful too. 
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Seamonster posted:16:10 is back baby! And upward firing speakers! Just buy a dock that supports 100w USB-C PD and stash it away in a drawer, and plug everything into that. A USB-C dock ought to last you until the heat death of the universe USB4 will be better but you ought be be able to get five or six years out of the dock before you have an actual use case for a USB4 dock USB-C has been in consumer devices for over five years now and Anker brand/Cable Matters brand cables are cheap and last forever Also solves the ridiculous problem of having 19 different cables fanning out from your laptop in all directions.
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Phone posted:isn't PgUp/Dn usually aliased to Fn+Up/Down if there aren't dedicated keys? Probably, a two button combination is far less convenient though.
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Hadlock posted:XPS 13 is a great laptop, the build quality isn't as good as Apple, but really close. There's no bullshit, they're great laptops. i have both a 16 inch mbp (the "good" one, according to the internet) and a 2020 xps 13 and i use the xps like 95% of the time. it's so much better than the macbook in every way
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Hey. Want to replace my old laptop (Alienware M14 R2 from 2012) due to it having more issues than it feels worth getting fixed (smashed screen, hosed battery and charger, missing Enter key) Don't really play games much these days so poo poo hot graphics are not a priority at all. If it runs CK2 well enough I'll be happy. After looking about for a bit I'm leaning toward this cheapish option. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T460-i5-6300U-2-4GHz-512GB-SSD-16GB-Ram-Windows-10-Laptop-HDMI-/153847380126 Don't really have much more than that to spend unless I'm really shafting myself for want of £100 or so in which case I can probably suck it up. Any thoughts or advice?
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To pile on the "recommend me a laptop" requests- Recommend me a laptop. I am what some people call a "creator" in that I have to edit videos in Premiere for my father in law occasionally, I'm a DJ (serato), and I sometimes do stuff in Ableton. I have a late-2014 13" MBP (it's an i7) that's getting pretty long in the tooth. It's been taking 15 minutes to render out a minute long 1080p clip in Premiere and it's starting to get to me. Also it seems like Serato DJ is eating up like 95% cpu now and I don't remember that being a problem until lately. Ableton still works fine. So all that being said, I think I want a Windows laptop with a decent GPU. I was looking at the Nvidia Studio Creator laptops and they seem like everything I want but they're expensive. I am willing to go up to $1500 I guess but cheaper would be better. Would a last year gaming laptop be fine for my needs? What about a Surface book or one of those XPS 13s? Premiere is probably the most resource intensive thing I do so whatever I get needs to be good at that. If it's good at Premiere it should be able to handle the other stuff no problem since it's audio only.
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sebzilla posted:Hey. Want to replace my old laptop (Alienware M14 R2 from 2012) due to it having more issues than it feels worth getting fixed (smashed screen, hosed battery and charger, missing Enter key) Which version of that laptop are you looking at? There's multiple specs to choose from. I would suggest not getting the 4gb/128gb option.
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FCKGW posted:Which version of that laptop are you looking at? There's multiple specs to choose from. 16GB RAM, 512 SSD
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Best Chromebook / laptop right now for about 20 chrome tabs open and youtube. Budget is up to $500, mainly they want it to boot up quick and be able to watch youtube/porntube
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Hadlock posted:Just buy a dock that supports 100w USB-C PD and stash it away in a drawer, and plug everything into that. A USB-C dock ought to last you until the heat death of the universe I actually love USB-c for a single standard across phone, tablet and laptop. I already have a USB-C dongle because its super convenient for KB/mouse and a storage device all on one line. Was more pointing out the generalized "we're just copying MBP HARD now" angle.
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kaworu posted:I loathe desktop computers, and I hate being stuck in a chair with a tower staring at a monitor, nowhere to go... I grew up with a desktop computer in my room, and it never ceased to drive me fuckin' crazy that I had to be OUT OF BED and sitting UP in a chair to use the internet, especially when my bed was a foot and a half away. I wanted a laptop so badly for years and years... This. Most of the desktop gamer crowd don’t get it. I don’t care if my laptop weighs 5kg and has a battery life measured in seconds, I can and do plug in anywhere and am not confined to a small room if, say, I want to get my VR on in the lounge or want to play RDR2 in bed while the wife reads a book or whatever. Totally worth the extra price of admission imo. I will say though that I’ve done the 17” laptop thing (I named that one Bricky) and 15” is the sweet spot if you can get the right spec. I will also say that I’m on my second consecutive ASUS RoG laptop and have no complaints about build quality, the first one (the 17”) was completely bulletproof and never had any issues, it was even pretty quiet when running flat out. My current Zephyrus is similarly solid if noisier due to having a 8750 and non-mobile GTX1070 in a 15” frame... ROFLBOT fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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does anybody want to conduct some tests with overclocking laptops and playing outside in the cold/with a refridgeration unit for cooling? i mainly want somebody to bounce ideas off of on discord, irc, whatsapp, whatever preferably with some knowledge or at minimum passion for laptops, gaming, and thermals. im using the laptop to test other theories for different applications. if we get something concrete ill hire you as a 1099 and pay you or paypal you. added bonuses for chemists and lawyers
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ROFLBOT posted:This. You prefer the mobility of the laptop while most of the desktop gaming crowd prefer having a larger monitor, good keyboard/mouse, better performance, and cheaper upgrades. It's just a different set of priorities, and the push for in-home streaming in recent years means you can take advantage of a high performing desktop with a cheaper, lower spec laptop around the rest of the house too.
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ROFLBOT posted:This. That's kind of the sentiment I had with when I got my Alienware 13. While it was portable, I got caught off guard by its weight of 2.7 kg which combined with its small screen made it less desirable to disconnect it from my 40" monitor and move it around. It also didn't help that none of its USB-C ports could perform as display outputs so I had have power, HDMI, and USB-C for a USB hub hooked up at my desk which felt a little too much to connect and disconnect when I wanted to move it. On top of that, I kept treating it like a small laptop and carried it in laptop handbags which physically wore me out when I took it out and about. The fact that I never moved the laptop had the double whammy effect of destroying the battery after being hooked to AC for almost 2 years. I ended up with only 2/3rds of the original battery life and a swollen battery which I had to remov and safely dispose of. So now it's just a glorified mini desktop until I get around to ordering a replacement battery. Next time around, I'm going to get something bigger with an appropriate amount of mass for its size. Probably something in the 14" - 16" range and maybe lighter than 2.7 kg depending on what the power options look like.
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I'll be in the market for a "DTR" whenever the laptop next Gen gpus get released, basically because I use it much more like a carryable mini itx system (transport between bedroom, living room to plug into tv in evenings, office, it's basically never on my actual lap), but don't need much battery life, dont want to buy monitors that will be be too big for my tiny desk anyway, and want something powerful enough to be an all in one system. So i started saving for it last year coz lol its gonna be expensive, especially getting spare power bricks, and I might regret it, but frankly I'm sick of having 2 systems and want to consolidate and this seems like the easiest way to do it. Shrimp or Shrimps fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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isndl posted:You prefer the mobility of the laptop while most of the desktop gaming crowd prefer having a larger monitor, good keyboard/mouse, better performance, and cheaper upgrades. It's just a different set of priorities, and the push for in-home streaming in recent years means you can take advantage of a high performing desktop with a cheaper, lower spec laptop around the rest of the house too. For sure, and for say a competitive FPS player my scenario wouldn’t cut it. Luckily most of the games I like are either playable with a gamepad or in VR. It just seems hard to explain sometimes to people who think the whole point of a laptop is extreme portability and battery life...
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Any opinions on a laptop that will be mostly for running music software (DAW, synth VSTs, etc)? Budget is around $800. I'd like a 15" screen for my old-rear end eyes, maybe a Thunderbolt port, but those are my only real requirements. Being able to do PC gaming on it would be a bonus, but I don't want to spend any more for that, so definitely not a requirement.
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the talent deficit posted:i have both a 16 inch mbp (the "good" one, according to the internet) and a 2020 xps 13 and i use the xps like 95% of the time. it's so much better than the macbook in every way as someone who almost irrationally stepped over the mbp 16 cliff recently and just ordered an xps, this is the best post in the thread to read Thanks for answering questions earlier, it's useful to be able to ask about things with people who have experience. Wheeee fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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Engadget got 12 hours 45 minutes on their HD video loop test with the G14. This is seriously the do everything machine and I can't see how someone could buy something like an XPS 15 instead unless they really had to have TB3 instead of just using USB-C.
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These days due to Corona I have to record lectures and upload them for my university. So I need a laptop! Portability is key. I also have to be able to edit videos and stuff on a basic level. If it can play some simple games of course that would be nice as well. Use will primarily be for office stuff though. I would like to be able to use it for as long as possible. Budget is up to around 1500 US I think. I live in Korea so something I could get here is important. I was looking at the new MacBook Air because I have an iPhone and like apple, but I 100% need Windows to use my university’s programs, and I don’t know how well a MacBook Air runs Windows. I’ve also been considering a Samsung or Microsoft Laptop, but I’m open to anything if I can get it here. What should I be going for? Any suggestions? Specs? Things to watch out for?
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The XPS 13 is $1100 and the standard to beat for a thin and light Windows machine. If I can't get a Macbook Air I'd get that. You might need to buy a cheap hub because it doesn't have USB-A ports.
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People are really holding onto their DDR2 laptops (MacBooks?) I'm seeing 2x4GB DDR2 laptop kits going for over $100.
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Shaocaholica posted:People are really holding onto their DDR2 laptops (MacBooks?) I'm seeing 2x4GB DDR2 laptop kits going for over $100. That RAM has always been expensive 
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