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Note: Coronavirus can also be spread by farts.
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Apr 5, 2020 18:53
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Yesterday when i went to hemköp at least two other customers went around coughing while shopping. 
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Apr 5, 2020 18:53
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ICA Påskgodis this year of the by-weight kind. In the middle of this pandemic. Staff pulled out bins full of unwrapped candy for people to shovel from.
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Apr 5, 2020 18:58
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Katt posted:ICA Påskgodis this year of the by-weight kind. That's because lösgodis is not a relevant vector for transmission. https://fragor.livsmedelsverket.se/org/livsmedelsverket/d/losviktsgodis-och-corona/
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Apr 5, 2020 19:11
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Me and my girlfriend was very naughty yesterday and went for a early dinner at Prinsen. It was us, a man with his laptop in the opposite side of the room, and, after a while, a family of four. I've never seen the place so empty. Neither the rest of sthlm, for that matter.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:11
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Potrzebie posted:That's because lösgodis is not a relevant vector for transmission. That's a confusing page. quote:Coronavirus smittar främst från sjuka personer via små mikroskopiska droppar i luften som kommer ner i luftvägarna. Det finns inget som tyder på smitta om du äter lösgodis med viruset på. Viruset måste ner i luftvägarna för att orsaka sjukdom och inte ner i magtarmkanalen. Coronaviruset klarar inte magsäckens sura miljö. quote:För att ytor och föremål som till exempel plastskopor och slevar ska kunna överföra coronavirus måste först en sjuk person hosta eller nysa på ett föremål och en frisk person direkt därefter ta på samma föremål och på så vis få små droppar saliv eller snor på händerna. Om den friska personen sedan tar med handen mot näsa, ögon eller mun utan att ha tvättat händerna skulle hen kunna bli smittad
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Apr 5, 2020 19:22
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Katt posted:That's a confusing page. Here, this one is easier to follow: https://www.svt.se/barnplay/lilla-aktuellt/e9VGakV
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Apr 5, 2020 19:37
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[quote="A Buttery Pastry" post=""503875894"] It is reckless beyond belief. Alcohol encourages lazy and reckless behavior, the exact opposite of what you'd want when trying to not catch a disease. Moreover, it makes you more susceptible to infection, not to mention the fact that it increases your chance of coming into direct contact with drunks who care even less than yourself about your health. You might as well just go around frenching strangers. [/quote] There's no "might as well" here: After all of two beers in the early afternoon I actually became so uninhibited that I started to french everyone in the half-empty restaurant/bar. I had to leap across the empty "buffer" tables, but by god it felt good to give the bartender a wet-willy after I had licked the door-handles thoroughly. Alternatively, it is still possible to engage in some activities in a reasonably safe manner. (The swede that basically assaulted me with his fingers notwithstanding.) Of course there's always going to be additional risk compared to staying at home, but honestly I think the restrictiveness of the norwegian rules are in a good place right now, which the numbers so far bear out. I'm not going to break the rules, but I'm not going to feel shame for doing something I'm explicitly allowed to do.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:41
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SplitSoul posted:From 39% to 79%. Jesus gently caress, that's disheartening.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:37
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Potrzebie posted:Here, this one is easier to follow: https://www.svt.se/barnplay/lilla-aktuellt/e9VGakV Big Corona strikes again!  
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Apr 5, 2020 21:30
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«For å unngå at vi går fra en kortsiktig krise til en langsiktig dyp krise er det vår vurdering at en gradvis åpning av samfunnet må starte etter 13. april. Sentralt for å få samfunnshjulene i gang igjen er at barnehager og barneskoler gjenåpnes, slik at effektiviteten i arbeidsstokken bedres.» NHO has considered me expendable in order to get the wheels of business turning.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:45
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Time to oil & sharpen the guillotine yet?
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Apr 5, 2020 22:38
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Groke posted:Time to oil & sharpen the guillotine yet? 
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Apr 5, 2020 22:54
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MiddleOne posted:Big Corona strikes again! Lol, it seems one is not allowed to share links to svt. Lilla Aktuellt cares about the important stuff come Easter. It's very clearly not dangerous to eat lösgodis.
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Apr 6, 2020 01:05
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Katt posted:That's a confusing page. Not really, kinda basic stuff in disease transmission. The body is actually great at keeping foreign diseases out. The stomach kills off most things due to the presence of acid and proteases. Although the mouth might be an infection vector, so don’t suck on your candy too long. Or scratch your face while eating candy. I don’t have to say that grinding up candy as dust and snorting it in lines is also probably a bad idea.
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Apr 6, 2020 05:30
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No need to grind hockeypulver
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Apr 6, 2020 05:42
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luminalflux posted:No need to grind hockeypulver But that is also not lösviktsgodis so you were very likely not subjected to any infection risk anyway!
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Apr 6, 2020 06:07
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PederP posted:Speaking as someone who think Keynes is often used as excuse for populist fiscal policy, and generally not fond of interventionist economic policy - right now is a perfect time for Keynesian intervention. So when the crisis is over you want to go back to 'non interventionist' economic policy? What kind of pullback from state direction of the economy would you like to see?
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Apr 6, 2020 07:13
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Media styrer kaoset. De jager rundt etter overskrifter som skremmer. Den rolige analysen og motstemmene høres knapt. I et vanlig år mister ca 900 livet i løpet av et år av influensa. Dette viruset vil trolig drepe mange ganger flere, men er hvert sparte liv verdt 50 millioner kroner? It's not often you see someone so nakedly admit that they value money over lives. The schools and kindergartens in Oslo will remain closed regardless of what the government decides. And I think it's cool that someone prioritizes my safety over what's convenient. Alhazred fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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Apr 6, 2020 10:59
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The current R0 of Corona in Norway appears to be under 1. Pretty awesome news. However, it is not really clear where we should go from here. I guess we should ease up on the restrictions at some point, but we're still really vulnerable to new flare-ups. I imagine it is going to be pretty difficult to publicly justify keeping the schools/kindergartens closed for much longer, no matter how necessary it might be.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:33
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SplitSoul posted:Mette Frederiksen's popularity has doubled.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:35
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Cardiac posted:It is not so much immigrating to a new country like Spain as it is getting out of the dark, windy, rainy, cold hell otherwise known as winter in Scandinavia.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:54
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mila kunis posted:So when the crisis is over you want to go back to 'non interventionist' economic policy? What kind of pullback from state direction of the economy would you like to see? In that case I want the state to provide for the people, not companies. I do not want fiscal policy aimed at stimulating GDP growth and such nonsense. I want a democratic government to determine a level of healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc. and levy the taxes needed to pay for that. Public spending is done to deliver the desired level of welfare and so forth - not as part of turning the knobs in a simplistic model of the economy. If companies go broke, the state provides for the workers laid off - not the company. I'm not averse to the state as an employer of last resort. I'm not averse to the state regulating markets. But I do not want fiscal or monetary policy aimed at indirectly creating jobs by stimulating demand. Such policy creates inequality, corruption and inefficiency. That kind of attempting to nudge the invisible hand is dumb and wrong. I also do not want the state to operate companies which are actors in a market economy. It's free or it's private. Otherwise we get nepotism and corruption. In the current political system, governments flail about and arbitrarily slash some taxes, raise other taxes, slash some spending and increase different spending alike - claiming they are guiding the economy towards improvement, when all they do is move money into the hands of nepotists, oligarchs and unsavory individuals in general. They should focus on service to the workers and citizens - nothing else. I do not want governments to run the state like a corporation, attempting to maximize arbitrary metrics (I hate the current focus on GDP). I want a regulated market economy taxed to whatever extent needed to provide welfare, social security and a universal basic income. It's irrelevant if that level of taxation has a positive or negative effect on GDP or whatever. Politicians and elite technocrats are inept and corrupt and should not be trusted to intervene successfully in the economic cycles. They must be forced into a role of servitude and never be allowed to become masters. I would prefer a two-chamber system where one chamber is chosen randomly from the population. Elected representatives should not be allowed to run over and over - career politicians are an abomination. I am an anti-utilitarian. I believe in an ethics of justice and rights, and find utilitarianism de-humanizing and conducive to the downfall of any system, be it socialist or capitalist. In times of crisis there is a place for utilitarianism, but in times of peace and prosperity, utilitarianism will eventually destabilize and stratify society (the reverse also applies, in times of crisis a lack of utilitarianism will lead to chaos and injustice). military cervix posted:The current R0 of Corona in Norway appears to be under 1. I think it's weird how everyone is going "vaccine or bust". Non-vaccine treatments exist for several viral disease. I expect treatment protocols to appear way before a vaccine. At that point it's still a dangerous virus, but it becomes much more manageable. To me, that's really what we're waiting for. There's a lot of incredibly smart and determined people working on this around the globe. Of course there'll be treatment. It's rather fatalistic to expect otherwise. No virus is invulnerable - there are way to mitigate the damage it does and/or to murder the virions. Hopefully the side-effects won't be too bad and hopefully it won't be some pharmaceutical megacorporation figuring it out and extorting the world for big bucks. PederP fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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Apr 6, 2020 12:01
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It`s not just business ghouls that want to things to reopen, people are extremely worried that they migth not have a job to come back to. My sister manages a kindergarden and she`s expressed strong hope for a full reopening soon. Personally it does not matter to me, not directly. But i do worry how we are going to get out of this dark pit we find ourselves in. It is also important to remember that the "lockdown" measures are only effective if people feel like they are neccessary. That`s why we have to start loosening some restrictions after easter or face mass civil disobedience with would really cause the virus to grow rapidly. Allow shops and hairdresses to reopen at least. Outside of oslo perhaps restuarants and pubs could be allowed to reopen albeit with reduced hours? Then wait 14 days and see what happens. The tourist sector is loving dead tough. We will probably have to keep our borders closed until late autumn and i can`t imagine the goverment wants domestic tourists crawling all over the country during the summer, that would certainly undo all of our efforts so far.
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Apr 6, 2020 12:46
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We need to buy more time until we at least some clue what the immunological profile of this virus is. If it's actual immunity something like "antibody passes" could form the basis of a reopening. If it's "reinfections for all!" then we don't really have a choice but to hunker down. If it's "reinfection but worse", I hope they work real fast on treatment/vaccine. Not looking to start dumb discussion about China like they have in the other thread, but one scenario where the CCP would have committed a crime against humanity: If they know that immunity does not exist and reinfection is a thing - but have kept silent about for reasons. Because that has pretty dire implications for the countries who gave up on containment.
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Baudolino posted:It`s not just business ghouls that want to things to reopen, people are extremely worried that they migth not have a job to come back to. My sister manages a kindergarden and she`s expressed strong hope for a full reopening soon. The thing is I want kindergartens to reopen because it is safe and not to keep the wheels of capitalism turning. And right now it pretty much everyone agrees that it isn't safe, at least not in Oslo.
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I guess people who hopes for a quick reopening has no faith that the capitalistic system they live in will care for them if it comes to them losing their job without being able to get a new one quick, and honestly, who can blame them? Food and electric bills care little for your pandemic woes.
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I feel like people have already taken it upon themselves to relax over Easter. I'm still working and Trondheim centre seems packed. Lots of families with children especially - parents have apparently made the decision that staying at home with their kids any longer is worse than the virus. e: Maybe that was a bit strong. Probably it just looks like a lot of people because it's been so quiet lately, and I'm sure most are being sensible. And of course it's reasonable to take the kids out cycling, or for a walk along the fjord or whatever. It's just seeing two parents and three children going on a family trip to Coop and feeling perhaps that's a little unnecessary. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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Apr 6, 2020 13:54
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Alhazred posted:The thing is I want kindergartens to reopen because it is safe and not to keep the wheels of capitalism turning. And right now it pretty much everyone agrees that it isn't safe, at least not in Oslo. Noone knows if it's safe. We don't know if children can be asymptomatic carriers. We don't know if they are infection vectors. We don't know the risk when kids with asthma are infected. It's too early. In Denmark rumor is that third-year high school students are to go back shortly after Easter. That's insane. How do they know that they won't bring back infection to their parents and siblings? What about pupils with conditions that put them at risk. If they do this, they'll blood on their hands. There's not even an economic argument for such an action. It would purely be desperation for normalcy. gently caress that. I don't want my family to die because of people who are unwilling to cope with a crisis and have no patience. And idiot Lars Løkke is given front page in media on a weekly basis, where he spout his nonsense about how we need more infected - not too many, but not too few. As if we can control a viral epidemic with a high R0. I'm so glad he's no longer in charge. He'd be worse than Trump.
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I see less people out here in Stockholm but there's still a lot of people out, doing whatever
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PederP posted:Noone knows if it's safe. We don't know if children can be asymptomatic carriers. We don't know if they are infection vectors. We don't know the risk when kids with asthma are infected. It's too early. In Denmark rumor is that third-year high school students are to go back shortly after Easter. That's insane. How do they know that they won't bring back infection to their parents and siblings? What about pupils with conditions that put them at risk. If they do this, they'll blood on their hands. There's not even an economic argument for such an action. It would purely be desperation for normalcy. gently caress that. I don't want my family to die because of people who are unwilling to cope with a crisis and have no patience. It's flu. Children give people the flu all the time.
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Honestly, we should get rid of them altogether. Start again later. Maybe.
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In the world wars women entered the work force and took over many jobs previously thought of as male jobs while many men were doing military service. It's time for children to step up. Let kids do the work their parents cant. It'll save the economy and the lazy children will finally start contributing to the economy.
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Fader Movitz posted:In the world wars women entered the work force and took over many jobs previously thought of as male jobs while many men were doing military service. It's time for children to step up. Let kids do the work their parents cant. It'll save the economy and the lazy children will finally start contributing to the economy.
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Where would we even find that many steam looms nowadays? And modern apartments have completely ruined the demand for chimney sweeps.
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Children are good at computers, I'm sure they'll do just fine operating industrial robots. They are also full of energy, so they can deliver packages and groceries. That should also help them blow off some steam, so they don't pester their parents so much about being bored.
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Baudolino posted:It`s not just business ghouls that want to things to reopen, people are extremely worried that they migth not have a job to come back to. My sister manages a kindergarden and she`s expressed strong hope for a full reopening soon. That is already happening. Two friends working as consultants for major Swedish industries have had their positions terminated. Both Volvo’s got rid off 5000 consultants. The bloodbath have just started.
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Danish Industry is already asking for almost 40 billion more in handouts from the state (PDF in Danish), on top of the 287 billion they've already gotten.
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PederP posted:Children are good at computers
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