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Communist Thoughts posted:broad tent-y looking with the expected sidelining of corbyn figures I still think it's funny that at some point she must've got a phone call to say "You've got Shadow Chancellor! ...of the Duchy of Lancaster." Shadow Cabinet looks middle of the road though. Corbyn allies totally sidelined with the exception of RLB, but Labour right also (to my eye) not well represented aside from Reeves and Murray. I'd call it more soft-left than broad tent.
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XMNN posted:presumably they're keeping Boris in for a second night if they've not announced he has been discharged yet? Nothing to see here citizen, he's in good spirits and said something suitably boris-ian before retiring for tea. Reports that he medically died and has been placed in an iron lung constructed from a re-purposed dyson hoover are just malicious scuttlebutt, now move along!
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dispatch_async posted:The problem with British parks is that we already used them as plague pits so you can't do any digging without pulling up piles of bodies lmao this is moments away from me i was just imagining the links turning into a graveyard ...ahh sad lmao
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I would ask people to think twice before abandoning Labour, given that is exactly what the Blairites want us to do and there is still no other viable left-wing party or mass movement with a chance of achieving political success. Organising within the party provides an advantage lacking outside of it, and there are plenty enough pissed off people there to form a seriously powerful internal faction. If they then break away as a unified group (why yes I have been reading about the history of the russian social democratic party) that's one thing, but members dropping out as individuals is counterproductive and tbh neoliberal as all hell. It's about more than one person here, and you don't need to support the leadership or even vote for the party to take advantage of its structure.
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XMNN posted:presumably they're keeping Boris in for a second night if they've not announced he has been discharged yet? I assume they're looking for a taxidermist right now to stuff him for many more years of service.
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ThomasPaine posted:I would ask people to think twice before abandoning Labour, given that is exactly what the Blairites want us to do and there is still no other viable left-wing party or mass movement with a chance of achieving political success. Organising within the party provides an advantage lacking outside of it, and there are plenty enough pissed off people there to form a seriously powerful internal faction. If they then break away as a unified group (why yes I have been reading about the history of the russian social democratic party) that's one thing, but members dropping out as individuals is counterproductive and tbh neoliberal as all hell. It's about more than one person here, and you don't need to support the leadership or even vote for the party to take advantage of its structure. No, it's neoliberal to abandon the lovely succdem party is a dumb take.
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Ms Adequate posted:Is that floppy haired posho oval office not dead yet Which one?
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forkboy84 posted:No, it's neoliberal to abandon the lovely succdem party is a dumb take. If Starmer had said he was abandoning Corbyn's policies and also scrapping the one-man-one-vote system for electing the leader, I could understand quitting. But as of yet the only thing that's happened is a change of personnel. Has it occurred that some of the performative right-wing crowing on Twitter about Corbyn's demise is intended to demoralise the left and encourage it to abandon Labour? We're still a very powerful voice within the party, especially given a large new intake of MPs and the number of old-guard right who purged themselves. EDIT: Momentum aren't giving up on Labour, neither is Corbyn and neither am I. https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1247191095051718659 jabby fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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forkboy84 posted:No, it's neoliberal to abandon the lovely succdem party is a dumb take. lol RIP the Labour left, banished to obscurity again.
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jabby posted:If Starmer had said he was abandoning Corbyn's policies and also scrapping the one-man-one-vote system for electing the leader, I could understand quitting. and while he hasn't given jobs to Corbyn's crew he also hasn't handed them out to any of the big wreckers like Emily Maitlis wanted him to so let's not act like all hope has been lost immediately
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ThomasPaine posted:I would ask people to think twice before abandoning Labour, given that is exactly what the Blairites want us to do and there is still no other viable left-wing party or mass movement with a chance of achieving political success. Organising within the party provides an advantage lacking outside of it, and there are plenty enough pissed off people there to form a seriously powerful internal faction. If they then break away as a unified group (why yes I have been reading about the history of the russian social democratic party) that's one thing, but members dropping out as individuals is counterproductive and tbh neoliberal as all hell. It's about more than one person here, and you don't need to support the leadership or even vote for the party to take advantage of its structure. It's a sliding scale, be moderately poo poo and I'll probably sling them a vote but otherwise pay no mind, be extra poo poo and I'll stay home and not vote or chuck a vote to the lost deposits party. If they want me out knocking doors giving up my time, then I have to believe in what I'm campaigning for. I'm not going to go door to door to pitch controls on immigration/austerity etc. to my neighbours. I'm not just going to vote for them no matter what though; absolutely fantastic way to make yourself irrelevant. If you want to have a say in the exercise of power you have to have some leverage; right now the ability to vote (or not vote) as a bloc is the biggest thing keeping the left's feet under the table.
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forkboy84 posted:No, it's neoliberal to abandon the lovely succdem party is a dumb take. It's consumer politics. Liberal individualism in action. If you have been a comitted Labour member I think you at least owe it some sober reflection over a decent length of time.
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Thank you to the people who recommended Sarah and duck as good lockdown kids TV, I am liking the mixture of salad fingers and lsd
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Julio Cruz posted:and while he hasn't given jobs to Corbyn's crew he also hasn't handed them out to any of the big wreckers like Emily Maitlis wanted him to thespaceinvader posted:The shad cab doesn't look too bad I don't think? It's givign me It's literally more left-wing than Corbyn's first shadow cabinet when he tried to unify the party, so anyone saying it's proof Starmer is a secret Tory needs to calm the gently caress down.
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jabby posted:If Starmer had said he was abandoning Corbyn's policies and also scrapping the one-man-one-vote system for electing the leader, I could understand quitting. I sincerely hope you're right, good luck with it
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Aramoro posted:lol RIP the Labour left, banished to obscurity again. Labour left let itself become banished to obscurity by not bothering to vote in the leadership election or being beguiled by Starmer'd mythical electability. Because bloodless succdem technocracy was sure successful in 2010 and 2015. Zalakwe posted:It's consumer politics. Liberal individualism in action. I haven't been a committed Labour member, I joined to vote for an open socialist who was willing to actually make an argument against capitalism, it was never more than a vehicle for an aim that was bigger than a Labour government, (I certainly kidded myself of their electoral chances last year but that was at least accepting compromises to get a socialist elected) they have punted almost all the democratic socialists out of the shadow cabinet which quite clearly signals intentions on that front. The vehicle isn't going in my direction anymore so why bother wasting time, effort or resources on something that is inherently at odds with my politics. Let's be upfront, Corbyn was my compromise candidate. I have insurmountable ideological differences with Labour soft left. Ironically I might have accepted this if 2015 hadn't happened but it did and this is a huge step back away from even vague promises of socialism. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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forkboy84 posted:Labour left let itself become banished to obscurity by not bothering to vote in the leadership election or being beguiled by Starmer'd mythical electability. Because bloodless succdem technocracy was sure successful in 2010 and 2015. I mean by this logic just give up on politics entirely the minute things start to go in a direction you don't like. Not sure how that achieves socialism though, or anything other than abandoning the field to your opponents.
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There are lots of open socialists who are willing to actually make arguments against capitalism still in Labour, and all of them going their own way just makes it harder to organise and do anything effective while also allowing the right to dictate the messaging. While there is still a very significant Corbynite presence Starmer and whoever else will be forced to at least factor that into their strategy.
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I've considered leaving Labour a number of times during the Corbyn era due to their total inability to tackle transphobia. Electing Beige: The Man as leader is a non-zero part of my decision to leave but it's absolutely not the central reason. Labour is not safe for LGBT+ people in my opinion.
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1247197373320671232?s=20 lol this reads like some dictator who is definitely not being couped right now also those tests seem to be taking a while? I hope Boris is ok lol
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jabby posted:I mean by this logic just give up on politics entirely the minute things start to go in a direction you don't like. Electoral politics, yeah. You're getting there. I don't think I've hidden that I am far closer to anarchism than social democracy in my political beliefs.
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Wachter posted:Good to see the insane 5G COVID conspiracy theory getting platformed on the evening news Clearly this ridiculous bollocks is being deliberately spread to distract from the truth that Bill Gates created coronavirus as part of a human depopulation scheme.
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mfcrocker posted:Could people take me out of the OP for Labour contacts? I resigned my membership this afternoon after Keir appointed a transphobe to the NEC. Who's the transphobe appointed? it's hard to keep track of them
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Weekend at Boris' during a pandemic with no deal brexit looming lmao
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Angepain posted:Who's the transphobe appointed? it's hard to keep track of them Jo Stevens
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Huh so my girlfriend and I just found out that now they're only letting one person per couple/household into supermarkets at a time. Guess I'll sit in the car then!!!
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Darth Walrus posted:This 2016 New Statesman article is interesting from the new Shadow Work and Pensions guy. Thanks, that is a really encouraging article. quote:The modern evolution of the welfare state – conditionality, sanctions, and adults being forced to fill in job search diaries as if they were in primary school – I find unconscionable.
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Aphex- posted:Huh so my girlfriend and I just found out that now they're only letting one person per couple/household into supermarkets at a time. Guess I'll sit in the car then!!! We've been doing this anyway because I can drive and my partner doesn't have asthma
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