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Kraftwerk posted:I think the current generation of Camry is great in higher trim levels and the only thing you need to do is justify the cost. The Accord is also excellent and seems deeper discounted around these parts, and if used is an option you can directly cross shop new or lightly used Camrys vs low-mileage used Kia K900 / Hyundai Genesis Sedans. I know we just had the "Koreans are not perfect", but the luxury Korean pricing is directly comparable to higher trim Honda / Toyota:  https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1432718 Heck, I need to dig to find it again but freaking Carmax had a 30 month old K900 for $20k the other week. Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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You ever drive the Accord 2.0T side by side with the Camry V6 XSE? All the auto review sites say the accord is the better car but my personal experiences put the Camry as the more comfortable and ergonomically friendly car. I’m convinced that auto review sites are just outsourced product marketing companies for the manufacturers and the reviews are full of bullshit and hot air.
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Kraftwerk posted:You ever drive the Accord 2.0T side by side with the Camry V6 XSE? Nope, I cross shopped the Accord & Camry recently, but only lower Hybrid trims. The experience there is that Camry hybrid pricing is $4500 higher sticker across the board, and Honda has more incentives & discounting on top of it too. Real world price difference between Camry and Accord in base hybrid trims here is that the Accord was $6000 cheaper. I ended up buying a plug-in hybrid Kia at the end though!
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Apr 6, 2020 16:54
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Frond posted:I generally feel that Subaru is one of (if not the worst) reliability wise when in comes to Japanese cars In a world where Nissan and Mitsubishi exists, this feels like you're being edgy.
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Is there suspicion that the upcoming subcompact truck from Ford will be based on the Ecosport? Because it didn't review well at Car and Driver and while some things, like cramped rear seats, won't carry over, interior quality might and engine performance even more so.
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Apr 6, 2020 18:06
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MrOnBicycle posted:
It says a lot about the American car market that I'm jealous of your Kia Optima PHEV wagon. 
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Apr 6, 2020 18:23
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Kraftwerk posted:You ever drive the Accord 2.0T side by side with the Camry V6 XSE? yeah this does not track with my experience with those two cars but i care about shifting my own gears so i'm not gonna buy the loving camry no matter what Jack B Nimble posted:Is there suspicion that the upcoming subcompact truck from Ford will be based on the Ecosport? Because it didn't review well at Car and Driver and while some things, like cramped rear seats, won't carry over, interior quality might and engine performance even more so. not quite. it will be based on Ford Global B which covers all Ford B-segment cars, including stuff that IS well regarded like the 7th gen Fiesta. so the platform can be made good. The EcoSport is also on Ford Global B and isn't very good.
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Apr 6, 2020 18:24
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Nidhg00670000 posted:In a world where Nissan and Mitsubishi exists, this feels like you're being edgy. Eh, Subaru has had some spectacular recall issues.
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Apr 6, 2020 18:35
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As has Toyota, but they seem to always get a pass when it comes to perception.
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Twerk from Home posted:Heck, I need to dig to find it again but freaking Carmax had a 30 month old K900 for $20k the other week.  Although, I've only ever seen one in the wild (i.e.: not at the dealership), and it was murdered out.
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Apr 6, 2020 19:01
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Goober Peas posted:As has Toyota, but they seem to always get a pass when it comes to perception. I think it's because they mostly get it right and when they do it's really good. They all have recalls at one point or another, but when you have recalls and your cars are still meh then you don't tend to get a pass like Toyota does.
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Twerk from Home posted:Heck, I need to dig to find it again but freaking Carmax had a 30 month old K900 for $20k the other week. These were like 40k new right?
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Apr 6, 2020 19:37
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Residency Evil posted:These were like 40k new right? Started at $60,235
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Apr 6, 2020 19:41
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Powershift posted:Started at $60,235 So like, 45k OTD?
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Residency Evil posted:So like, 45k OTD? Yeah, you can get a new 2019 for $47,595 https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/775070368/overview/ I like how they didn't even bother wiping the massive amount of dust on it.
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Apr 6, 2020 19:52
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Seems like the kind of car that you see diplomatic tags on because the SK embassy owns a few and that's about it.
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Apr 6, 2020 20:04
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Legit good looking car, though. There's a guy who drives one around Vegas that prooooobably doesn't have the original motor as it sounds like an LS with a very lumpy cam and glasspacks.
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probably just a massaged Tau V8, they can sound pretty aggressive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNEkVxG52iI
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Goober Peas posted:As has Toyota, but they seem to always get a pass when it comes to perception. I dunno. Half a million engines that may eat themselves seems more severe than what i recall from Toyota.
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Murgos posted:I dunno. Half a million engines that may eat themselves seems more severe than what i recall from Toyota. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/toyota-lexus-recall-replace-engine-avalon-camry-rav4-es/ https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/toyota-recalls-3-4-million-vehicles-worldwide-says-air-bags-n1120141 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-nearly-700000-cars-fix-faulty-fuel-pumps/ There's also been brake recalls, accelerator sticking open recalls....... Every single car maker has recalls for millions of vehicles for various faults ranging from hilariously silly to issues that are outright dangerous. Singling out one particular manufacturer to point and laugh at is dumb because it turns out making cars is loving hard and mistakes can escalate into millions of cars very easily. edit : Except the one where a manufacturer deliberatly tried to hide the defect and it killed someone. See ; Ford gearbox scandal, GM ignition locks, the well known Takata fiasco, VW emissions scandal......
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VW did nothing wrong. It wasn't sporting of them, but it's bullshit they got nabbed for that when every manufacturer in existence does (and is allowed to) recommend absolutely bizarre shift points, and designs gear ratios around testing cycles.
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They literally changed the ECU map when the system detected it was being tested for emissions, which means that it's literally impossible for the car to hit those numbers on the road regardless of how you drive. I'm sure they weren't the only ones doing it, but they sure as poo poo were guilty. It would be the exact same thing if a car manufacturer only let their engine hit rated power when on a dyno, and gave you 50hp less at all other times because they know the engine will blow up if they try to run it like that all the time.
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PT6A posted:VW did nothing wrong. It wasn't sporting of them, but it's bullshit they got nabbed for that when every manufacturer in existence does (and is allowed to) recommend absolutely bizarre shift points, and designs gear ratios around testing cycles. I seem to recall my mother teaching me that "everybody is doing it" doesn't make it right (or legal). They played chicken with the law and lost. If others get caught, they should be punished similarly.
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Deteriorata posted:I seem to recall my mother teaching me that "everybody is doing it" doesn't make it right (or legal). Yeah but pollution doesn't hurt anyone so what's the problem. Not to mention lying to consumers about running cost... dodging taxes for emissions...
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PT6A posted:VW did nothing wrong. It wasn't sporting of them, but it's bullshit they got nabbed for that when every manufacturer in existence does (and is allowed to) recommend absolutely bizarre shift points, and designs gear ratios around testing cycles. VWs with the smaller 7-speed DSG are the absolute poster child for that. I've never been able to get even close to the (very impressive) official numbers whereas it's pretty easy in a Corolla or Mazda3 or whatever. Also to whoever was complaining about the AC controls on a 200 series: Meanwhile in Australia:  We get a lap timer, stopwatch, alarm clock and the worlds worst reversing camera.
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PT6A posted:VW did nothing wrong. It wasn't sporting of them, but it's bullshit they got nabbed for that when every manufacturer in existence does (and is allowed to) recommend absolutely bizarre shift points, and designs gear ratios around testing cycles. 100% full of poo poo poster right here
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Jesus Christ there are dieselgate truthers now what the gently caress
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PT6A posted:VW did nothing wrong. Yeah nah bro. VW was waaaaaaaaay beyond any fiddles other car makers were doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvokGhOaHGg
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dissss posted:VWs with the smaller 7-speed DSG are the absolute poster child for that. I've never been able to get even close to the (very impressive) official numbers whereas it's pretty easy in a Corolla or Mazda3 or whatever. Is that a 70 series? That’s amazing. I have made the 200’s reversing camera useless by leaving it behind the rear tire on the carrier. I think Slee sells a kit to relocate it, I should have them do that.
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I'm one of the people that had a TDI that got bought back that pretty much never hit the epa estimated mpg and I did quite a few long trips and put around 22k miles a year on it. I hit the epa mileage 2 times that I owned it, one of which was a trip back from southern oklahoma when I had a kayak on the roof and like a 30 mph tailwind.
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Jack B Nimble posted:Is there suspicion that the upcoming subcompact truck from Ford will be based on the Ecosport? Because it didn't review well at Car and Driver and while some things, like cramped rear seats, won't carry over, interior quality might and engine performance even more so. Well the Ecosport is literally a third world car
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KillHour posted:It would be the exact same thing if a car manufacturer only let their engine hit rated power when on a dyno, and gave you 50hp less at all other times because they know the engine will blow up if they try to run it like that all the time. Slightly but not really related, but let us call it fact of the day; when the Audi S4 B6 came out it turned out that if you got it with a slushbox the max revs before upshift (even in manual mode) was 6.7-6.8k. That left auto owners somewhat short of a full life since the engine was rated at 344hp/7000rpm, meaning that if you got the car with an autobox you would never under any circumstances reach 344hp. No biggie maybe, except for Audi pushing that certain number really hard (since the contemporary E46 M3 has 343hp).
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Kraftwerk posted:You ever drive the Accord 2.0T side by side with the Camry V6 XSE? The Accord is a lot better than the Camry.
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PT6A posted:VW did nothing wrong. It wasn't sporting of them, but it's bullshit they got nabbed for that when every manufacturer in existence does (and is allowed to) recommend absolutely bizarre shift points, and designs gear ratios around testing cycles. terrible, awful, incorrect take
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Twerk from Home posted:The Accord is also excellent and seems deeper discounted around these parts, and if used is an option you can directly cross shop new or lightly used Camrys vs low-mileage used Kia K900 / Hyundai Genesis Sedans. I know we just had the "Koreans are not perfect", but the luxury Korean pricing is directly comparable to higher trim Honda / Toyota: On one hand, the G80 is pretty good, and would be on my shortlist for replacement cars if my car were suddenly totaled tomorrow. On the other hand, the first-gen K900 and Equus are Korean Lincoln Town Cars: boats designed to be driven around in, not to drive yourself. Replacement body parts for a K900 may also be difficult to find in the future given how few of those were sold.
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Remember the Amati? Oh man.
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drgitlin posted:The Accord is a lot better than the Camry. Yeah but dude, haven't you heard? You're just a product marketer full of bullshit and hot air so we clearly can't take your opinion as valid.
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Throatwarbler posted:Jesus Christ there are dieselgate truthers now what the gently caress Yeah, check the comments on Regular Car Review's long-form essay on Dieselgate.
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Even if everyone is doing it VW should have cheated better, then they wouldn't have got caught. Either way they hosed up.
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The "Hard NOx" episode of Dirty Money on Netflix does a deep dive into dieselgate and was a very informative watch. It was willing and complicit fraud from the top down.
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