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oh jay posted:The way Twice "slipped through the cracks" was that he was orphaned and then later fired from his job. So let's briefly touch on Uraraka. She's poor as gently caress. Her parents own a construction company, and her quirk to make things weightless would be incredibly useful for them. This is a competitive edge that should let her family make mad bank. But there's no regulatory body that will let her use her quirk to haul girders up to the third floor. There's no training system, there are no guidelines for her to use her quirk for industrial purposes. OSHA isn't there to tell her how many high visibility flags she needs to attach to her zero gravity loads. If she wants to use her quirk to enrich her family or herself, she has to be licensed as a hero. 70% of everyone in the setting, including 98% of people in her generation, have super powers. But the only people allowed to use them are heroes... people who use those powers on behalf of the state to suppress anyone who tries to use their powers without being government soldiers. And as we've seen with Gentle, just being talented with your power and working hard is not good enough to get that title. For nearly everyone in setting, using your unique ability that makes you special is a crime. Heroes are more than just a symptom of the civil unrest we see. e: I am reminded of the existence of Black Hole user Thirteen, a hero who explicitly does not engage in combat. So you can be a licensed super power user without necessarily being willing to hurt people, which is nice. I stand by the analysis that using your powers legally is out of reach for most people. Mystic Mongol fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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You can get licensed to use super powers commercially without being a hero. Uraraka actually considered doing this but thought she could make a whole lot more money to help her folks by being a hero than by getting her Class C Superpowers-On-The-Job license or whatever.
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Apr 7, 2020 06:33
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Stain was gonna let iida go until he realized iida was out for revenge, his ideals are more ‘be absolutely selfless’ and not just ‘Heroes shouldn’t be paid’. Otherwise he woulda teamed up with shiggy when kurogiri pulled him. Every city Stain showed up in had crime plummet Plus the number one hero made his wife insane from abuse and hawks seems to be some child super assassin. The only hero out of the top 3 that would pass stain’s test is Mirko. I’d say the hero society is worse off than just normal institutional rot
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Apr 7, 2020 06:36
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Mystic Mongol posted:So let's briefly touch on Uraraka. Not just Thirteen. Jiro explicitly says that aside from being a hero, electric quirks are useful for many different jobs. If Ochaco wanted to do construction she could do constructin.
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Apr 7, 2020 06:38
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oh jay posted:Not just Thirteen. Jiro explicitly says that aside from being a hero, electric quirks are useful for many different jobs. If Ochaco wanted to do construction she could do constructin. Really! That's heartening.
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Apr 7, 2020 06:39
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Kanos posted:You can get licensed to use super powers commercially without being a hero. Uraraka actually considered doing this but thought she could make a whole lot more money to help her folks by being a hero than by getting her Class C Superpowers-On-The-Job license or whatever. It's a little bonkers to think being a hero would be more lucrative when she could sell her quirk as a danged specialist in the construction industry. She's the only person who can do what she does, but that just makes her a more important hire for big projects. Gaddang it, Uravity.
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Kanos posted:You can get licensed to use super powers commercially without being a hero. Uraraka actually considered doing this but thought she could make a whole lot more money to help her folks by being a hero than by getting her Class C Superpowers-On-The-Job license or whatever. We talk about this a lot, but upon reading back the chapter where her motivation is first mentioned (22?), they never directly state that there is a separate commercial license, as far as I can tell. Any idea if it's said elsewhere, maybe vigilantes?
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Professorjuggalo posted:Stain was gonna let iida go until he realized iida was out for revenge, his ideals are more ‘be absolutely selfless’ and not just ‘Heroes shouldn’t be paid’. Otherwise he woulda teamed up with shiggy when kurogiri pulled him. Every city Stain showed up in had crime plummet On the topic of Stain, I'm really curious to see how he goes from killing yakuza to stabbing Good Guy Tensei.
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Wait, if you're allowed to use your quirk in your everyday life, what's the Semiconscious Liberation Army even talking about?Blueberry Pancakes posted:On the topic of Stain, I'm really curious to see how he goes from killing yakuza to stabbing Good Guy Tensei. Knuckleduster punched him so hard he got brain damage.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Wait, if you're allowed to use your quirk in your everyday life, what's the Semiconscious Liberation Army even talking about? I do remember something about Quirk usage being legal on property you own. So, Shouto could use his powers in his own house for cheap heating/cooling, or to boil water to cook with, or to make sure ice cream stays cool while he's eating it, without a license.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Wait, if you're allowed to use your quirk in your everyday life, what's the Semiconscious Liberation Army even talking about? I think it's a right to bear arms kind of thing.
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Deku's mom should've been arrested for floating a toy off of the ground in front of the doctor but she wasn't, this whole universe is a mess.
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https://imgur.com/mhEr3rg edit a hard hat in and you got private sector uravity
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Mystic Mongol posted:Wait, if you're allowed to use your quirk in your everyday life, what's the Semiconscious Liberation Army even talking about? They want to use their quirks to stomp on the weak so they can rule. Did you miss Geten talking about those with the strongest quirks being on top?
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Mystic Mongol posted:Wait, if you're allowed to use your quirk in your everyday life, what's the Semiconscious Liberation Army even talking about? Social Darwinism
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Junpei posted:I do remember something about Quirk usage being legal on property you own. So, Shouto could use his powers in his own house for cheap heating/cooling, or to boil water to cook with, or to make sure ice cream stays cool while he's eating it, without a license. That was from the training camp arc. The Pussycats offhandedly mention that cause the camp is their private property the kids can use their quirks as much as they like. Presumably that's how businesses function and there are various regulations in place that allow professionals working in their place of business to use quirks that the comic doesn't go into because it would be boring. If we're going into Vigilantes; using your quirk publicly without a hero license is a crime, but the actual enforcement of it is kind of lax in places. For example in the first issue the protagonist gets pulled over by a cop for using his quirk to get to work on time after running late, but doesn't actually get arrested or anything and the general opinion of bystanders was that the cop was kind of a hardass about it. Vigilantes also mentions at one point that the barrier for a crime being classified as supervillainy rather than just a misdemeanor is higher than you might think, and even limited quirk use during a crime doesn't necessarily get you a guaranteed superhero beatdown and jail time as opposed to just being arrested by the cops and fined/community service etc.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Knuckleduster punched him so hard he got brain damage. I'd believe it. Also, I don't think I'm okay with the spike guy who was introduced as being willing to rape one protagonist and murder the other getting a redemption arc.
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Shadowlyger posted:They want to use their quirks to stomp on the weak so they can rule. Did you miss Geten talking about those with the strongest quirks being on top? Honestly when the violent killer who dropped out of school to play with ice all day explained that everyone thinks the strong deserve to rule over the weak, I didn't take him very seriously.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Honestly when the violent killer who dropped out of school to play with ice all day explained that everyone thinks the strong deserve to rule over the weak, I didn't take him very seriously. He's one of the leaders of the whole group. Also Geten did not drop out of school, they never went, as Geten was groomed by Re-Destro to basically be the embodiment of what the Liberation Army was seeking. Also you can get a licence to use your quirks in certain situations. Ochaco could get a licence for using her quirk for construction jobs. Outside of that she would only be allowed to use her quirk in private property were she is given permission.
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Katsuki should've been arrested for all the non-sanctioned Quirk use from age 4 onwards. There doesn't seem to have been a day where he wasn't blowing up Izuku.RareAcumen posted:Deku's mom should've been arrested for floating a toy off of the ground in front of the doctor but she wasn't, this whole universe is a mess. Seeing that sheer fragrant law-breaking is what drove the doctor to villainy.
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Explosions are legal because everyone agrees that the are extremely cool.
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I love how he managed to avoid that lie-detector Quirk on a technicality. I also hope that Knuckleduster eventually gets a Batmobile and names it "The Hauler".
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The MLA are explicitly “I should be allowed to fight my boss for the right to be the boss” social Darwinism cult of violence. It’s why trying to paint them as innocent in all this falls so flat.
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The MLA suck and the actual sympathetic villains who are far more important are only using them for sushi and power.
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M_Gargantua posted:The MLA are explicitly “I should be allowed to fight my boss for the right to be the boss” social Darwinism cult of violence. It’s why trying to paint them as innocent in all this falls so flat. They also formed originally from a group that argued for the free use of quirks in society, without any special regulations. As it stands now assault with a quirk is a worse crime than assault in the MHA world, and any form of quirk useage outside regulation is at least a minor felony. That's what the core of their philosophy was originally, the right to freely use and avoid discrimination for the quirk you have (see Curious whole deal with making Toga a tragedy to garner support). It's d/evolved at this point to full on the strong should rule the weak level stuff.
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Lord_Magmar posted:They also formed originally from a group that argued for the free use of quirks in society, without any special regulations. As it stands now assault with a quirk is a worse crime than assault in the MHA world, and any form of quirk useage outside regulation is at least a minor felony. i don't think any of this is true using a quirk to commit a crime isn't worse it just means that heroes are authorised to deal with you, whereas nonquirk violence is still the sole jurisdiction of the police and again we see koichi use his quirk illegally and only get a small ticket.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:So, I'm definitely supposed to be getting Supaidaman vibes from The Crawler, right? Like, his whole speech thing reminds me of the whole "emissary from Hell" thing Takuya does. His speech thing reminded me more of Darkwing Duck.
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It is interesting that the LoV has 3 people with Stain's morals as their expressly stated objective/desire (Dabi, Spinner & Toga). Makes me wonder if at some point this is going to become a wedge that splits the LoV - possibly with Twice's death as the inciting cause, especially since Shigaraki's only real concession has been "My teammates can have what they want, I won't destroy that" which seems... vague.
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I mean they already addressed that with Spinner and Toga during My Villain Academia. Spinner's relationship with Shigaraki and the VA in particular was a major focus of that arc.
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Toga didn't seem to care so much about Stain's ideals as much as she just got a girl boner from seeing him all beat the gently caress up on the internet.
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Lord_Magmar posted:They also formed originally from a group that argued for the free use of quirks in society, without any special regulations. Ah, radicalization. So Destro's book was a just a word salad. Unhappy people read their own values into them. A generation later there's a hundred thousand people willing to fight together. That's a lot of people. This process is helped by the fact that there's no free speech on this issue--talk too much about the army in public, and you get heroes taking an interest in you. And apparently everyone in setting routinely breaks the no quirk use law. In the Villain/Army showdown, we see Geten's childish might makes right attitude, Curious trying to redeem society's opinions towards people with debilitative or mind affecting quirks, Trumpet's patriarchal calls towards collective responsibility, and Skeptic's meritocratic vision. They don't go together... which is why I kind of ignored the grade school dropout. But now the fact they don't have a coherent ideology makes a lot more sense to me. Then the leader, who wants biotruths, gets replaced with Shiragaki, who wants to destroy everything and also lunch. Twice, who sees the army as a support network of the lost and confused, dies while Dabi, who sees the army as dumb idiots who suck, presumably survives. Radicalization continues. Anyone who called for striking first sure looks good now. Dabi can't have been the only guy yelling smash the state. The hero's attack is going to make things much, much worse. For a problem of this scale, we'd need some kind of super hero! Too bad we only have cops. I love this manga so so much.
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I'm still a bit annoyed at the contrivance of it but Fatgum spiriting most of the kids away does kinda confirm poo poo is going sideways pretty soon. It does move Fatgum out of harms way presumably which is cool because I really like Fatgum. E: My favorite part of vigilantes is that vigilantism in general so long as you're not chopping people's heads off like Stain is viewed as mostly quaint and incredibly weird. Even when Koichi upgrades to legitimately stopping crimes and trying to assist heroes without loving up too bad, the majority of the people who have an opinion on it are basically like "Why the gently caress would you do this job for FREE?" Fabricated fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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Fatgum taxi is adorable and it makes sense don't you go calling it a contrivance just because it also moves the plot in a certain direction
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Viridiant posted:I hate MHA now because the main character isn't Mirko. Mirko has a powerset conducive to incapacitating opponents non-lethally (or exceedingly lethally as she may decide). There'd have been no conversation. She would have kicked Twice in the mouth and then he would wake up a week later after all of this was resolved.
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Mirko would've kicked Twice in the head, Twice's head would explode, and Twice would thank Mirko for the experience.
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Funky Valentine posted:Mirko would've kicked Twice twice in the heads, Twice's head would explode, and Twice would thank Mirko for the experience a week later after waking up. Fixed for you.
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Might as well intersect the thread’s two favorite topics of discussion and suggest that there is an alternate universe out there where Twice is a hero and the VA just got attacked with a swarm of infinite Mirko
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