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RockyB posted:RE: Boris, and the discussion last month about having no decent modern tunes to chant to I've heard this sung as "Why are we waiting/we are suffocating", but that's perhaps a bit too on the nose at the moment e: google searching for 91 gives an entire three results before something about coronavirus, there are presumably still words and/or phrases that are not yet inextricably linked with covid-19 so enjoy that while it lasts Angepain fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:Oh Come All Ye Faithful, it's common around Christmas. Once saw a Salvation Army band marching through the red light district in Amsterdam playing this, which was a pretty amazing song choice to top off one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
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winegums posted:It will forever stick in my craw that this bad faith bollocks was seriously allowed to unseat Jeremy. If it helps the anti-semitism smear wasn't any kind of specific killing blow, it actually had very little impact on the wider electorate but it was never intended to. It was targeted at the PMC and wealthy libs to give them a moral fig-leaf to continue making GBS threads on the poor and the disabled and the homeless. It was a manufactured moral stance, they could ignore the actual moral reality because now by stamping on the Corbyn movement they were actually fighting nazis donchaknow; even better it was poor uppity nazis that were also rude online. Like if this has made you realise that the leaders of every single IdPol organisation ever are the most cynical evil fucks in a broader sense then good but don't single out the board of deputies cunts as worse than any other, all of them are cynical scum be it the MCB or white nationalist leaders or NUS gobshites or the pieces of poo poo that are holding sway in British hindu communities.
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I would probably narrow that down to established organizations, ones that are given prominence by the government and the press, because necessarily they can't threaten either with subversive positions. Which is a trend that also extends, as we are seeing, to non-idpol groups, that's what the whole last five years have been about, putting labour back into the box.
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Vitamin P posted:If it helps the anti-semitism smear wasn't any kind of specific killing blow, it actually had very little impact on the wider electorate but it was never intended to. It was targeted at the PMC and wealthy libs to give them a moral fig-leaf to continue making GBS threads on the poor and the disabled and the homeless. It was a manufactured moral stance, they could ignore the actual moral reality because now by stamping on the Corbyn movement they were actually fighting nazis donchaknow; even better it was poor uppity nazis that were also rude online. I don't think this issue hurt us directly, but it let the media put Corbyn on the backfoot about a manufactured controversy. We didn't lose votes because we were seen to be anti-semetic, we lost votes because Corbyn didn't get the chance to talk on issues he wanted to talk about. All these organisations are shite, don't get me wrong, but I don't think BOD had a seat at the table up until the run up until the last election, and they've very quickly lost that now.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Once saw a Salvation Army band marching through the red light district in Amsterdam playing this, which was a pretty amazing song choice to top off one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. That's so loving on point I have to respect it.
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Hey all. Hope you’re okay. I’m good, but not following the thread. Running my mouth off in the discord though  Dropping this thing wot I writ just now in here cos I think you’ll like it: Keir Starmie, I choose you! “Not battling for battling’s sake.” Boffing used Savile attack! It’s super effective! Keir Starmie fainted! What? BOFFING evolved into WHEEZING! WHEEZING evolved into DEAD!
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Vitamin P posted:
i feel like i'd probably be happier not knowing what you're referring to here
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Azza Bamboo posted:Oh Come All Ye Faithful, it's common around Christmas. Video thumbnail looking like a particularly religious Terminator choosing its opening line after knocking on your door
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There was a massive anti-muslim don't vote for Labour movement among 'British Asians' back in the December election, if I remember rightly. Modi stirring poo poo up. Made for an interesting article about the Brahim caste who came across to Britain in the 70s all being tory poo poo bags which is how we ended up with people like Rishi Sunak. That I can't be bothered tracking down while drunk at 2.30 in the morning. Re: All the faithful Cummings, the only lyric I could remember was 'god in the hiiii-iiii-ggggghist', which it turns out isn't too useful in a Google search.
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if Boris dies on Good Friday we might get our own second coming cult.
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I know he's lazy but it seems like a lot of effort to avoid having to be PM for a couple of days.
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Azza Bamboo posted:if Boris dies on Good Friday we might get our own second coming cult. I might be getting on in years but I can manage more than twice for an occasion like that DesperateDan fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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Out of curiosity, would the people running the UKMT hardship fund consider something like seb's situation an appropriate thing to ask for help with? Idk what the specifics of their situation are so I'm not saying it is necessary/should be done, I am just wondering. If so though, might be worth asking for a bit of help if you want to get something more powerful? Idk just a thought.
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bessantj posted:New Labour leader Starmer praised by Jewish groups for 'good start' I presume he was very careful not to comment on this: https://twitter.com/TimesofIsrael/status/1247200906178772992 and then that statement comes out or am I being too cynical?
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DesperateDan posted:I might be getting in in years but I can manage more than twice for an occasion like that 
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All my best lines come with typing errors
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Vitamin P posted:If it helps the anti-semitism smear wasn't any kind of specific killing blow, it actually had very little impact on the wider electorate but it was never intended to. It was targeted at the PMC and wealthy libs to give them a moral fig-leaf to continue making GBS threads on the poor and the disabled and the homeless. It was a manufactured moral stance, they could ignore the actual moral reality because now by stamping on the Corbyn movement they were actually fighting nazis donchaknow; even better it was poor uppity nazis that were also rude online. That's certainly... a take. Going to disagree with you here buddy. I don't think organising around identity is inherently less worthy than organising around class.
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Josef bugman posted:That's certainly... a take. Maybe not inherently, but practically identity politics has been heavily co-opted by liberals as a weapon against the left. The exact same pattern is playing out in the US, where bullshit IDPOL reasons are conjured up to manufacture justifications for liberals ignoring Sanders, before being immediately thrown by the wayside with regards to Biden. Anyone pushing a genuinely transformative, class-based agenda is going to be hit with the exact same smears.
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Josef bugman posted:Going to disagree with you here buddy. I don't think organising around identity is inherently less worthy than organising around class. I still don't know what "organising around identity" or indeed "identity politics" actually means. It seems that no politician anywhere ever mentions the word "identity", at least not explicitly, and instead "identity politics" or whatever is like a derogatory term? Identity as a concept seems like an appeal to emotions kind of thing, which in politics is potentially dangerous imo (Maybe my lack of understanding stems from the fact that I've myself never "identified" with any political group, not very strongly anyway; direction yes, many specific semi-detailed things yes, but parties or such? Nah)
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1247644177988554752?s=20 https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1247661862847741953?s=20
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The thing is, have they? We just have no idea at all, the guy just makes poo poo up all the time.
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https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1247720946800222208 Good to see that the police have their priorities straight in these difficult times. I'm certain breaking up a long-established traveler camp is exactly where they need to be concentrating their reduced strength.
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Ms Adequate posted:Out of curiosity, would the people running the UKMT hardship fund consider something like seb's situation an appropriate thing to ask for help with? I think I must have missed a post while catching up as I don't know Seb's situation, but we will absolutely consider all requests. We've already helped a goon cover rent this month in fact! By way of a mini-update, we're currently making initial enquiries about setting up the final multi-signatory bank account, so that people who are waiting to set up standing orders can do so. That process is likely to take a few weeks though, especially right now. In the mean time we still have over 3k banked from the opening surge. E: just read back and see Seb's issue, which has reminded me: this probably isn't any use to a southerner like Seb, but a goon based in the south Manchester area has offered two PCs up to goons in need: Verizian posted:I've got two old PC's that I need to clear out for room. If interested I suggest pinging Verizian in the Solidarity Fund channel on the Discord (pm etc will also work, but this way would help us track what's been claimed, if anything) Maugrim fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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jaete posted:I still don't know what "organising around identity" or indeed "identity politics" actually means. It seems that no politician anywhere ever mentions the word "identity", at least not explicitly, and instead "identity politics" or whatever is like a derogatory term? Broadly, identity politics refers to like.... queer rights, feminism, disability rights, etc etc. There is something to be said about liberal identity politics which is very much about putting those identities above class analysis. The best example I can think of would be the stuff around Hillary & Warren? Like, how people acted like their actual policies were essentially not that important because we NEED a WOMAN! I'm a bit spaced out on painkillers currently so I'm not sure how well I'm explaining this lol The flipside though is you get a lot of people who also use the term to suggest that talking about specific issues you face as a member of a disprivileged group is detracting from discussions of class, or is like, ivory tower academic stuff.
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Katty! posted:I guess since I'm in the middle of working on my dissertation and it's happened at a pretty crucial point I'm just a little highly strung and want to complain. I do agree with you that just emailing over some powerpoints is the best way to go - we tried some live lectures but a) I don't think anyone showed up, and b) it was mired with technical problems - though it does come after years of being told that simply reading lecture slides after the fact is no substitute for the real thing and that's why we pay fees lol * The audio is important! Without that you’re getting 20% of the value tops. With it the main reason to go to the lectures is psychological, establishing a daily routine to make sure you actually do go rather than trying to inhale the entire course from scratch the day before the exam.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1247720946800222208 Different versions of this all over the place. Most are saying it’s an attempted murder arrest. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...y-a4409696.html
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bionic vapour boy posted:Broadly, identity politics refers to like.... queer rights, feminism, disability rights, etc etc. That ship has kind of sailed though. "White Identity" and "White Identity Politics" is part of the discourse these days. As is often the case the language and expressive power of the powerless is being appropriated by the powerful.
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jaete posted:I still don't know what "organising around identity" or indeed "identity politics" actually means. It seems that no politician anywhere ever mentions the word "identity", at least not explicitly, and instead "identity politics" or whatever is like a derogatory term? Identity politics is a way to stop class consciousness from developing and ensure that people organise in atomized and manipulable groups. These groups will then inevitably begin infighting, effectively bucket of crabsing each other.
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bionic vapour boy posted:The flipside though is you get a lot of people who also use the term to suggest that talking about specific issues you face as a member of a disprivileged group is detracting from discussions of class, or is like, ivory tower academic stuff. Things went wrong at around the time Marx neglected to coopt some Latin term for ‘housewife’ for the socioeconomic class that does domestic labour on a non-market basis. Hence you get ‘feminism is a distraction from class politics; make me a sandwich while I plan the revolution’. Rather than ‘the class structure of society clearly varies by gender; anything that ignores that is wrong’.
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pumpinglemma posted:Yeah, fees are a bad joke for universities that don’t put any effort in. I think well-presented slides with audio* and maybe a facecam give you 95% of the value of even the best lecture, and MOOCs can do that a hell of a lot cheaper and better than conventional universities. The only academic reason to favour conventional universities over MOOCs is stuff that can’t be done just as well virtually, which in STEM means labs, problem sessions and office hours. Well, that plus the fact that you need a piece of paper to get a job anywhere, even at the supermarket, and no-one trusts the MOOCs to give out the right sort of paper. (But relying on that to stay true forever would make us both assholes and idiots.) I think that many people misunderstand the situation, due to deliberate muddying by Tories, like this: - In the before time when fees were zero, universities received X income/year from I dunno, somewhere - Now, universities receive X income plus £9000/student, so they're raking it in and we demand amazing service! While the reality as I understand it is they still receive roughly X, but the Tories have ideologically shifted the burden onto the "consumers". See also the railways.
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Tesseraction posted:The right wing will always coopt the successful strategies of the left. Like calling themselves "socialists".
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radmonger posted:Things went wrong at around the time Marx neglected to coopt some Latin term for ‘housewife’ for the socioeconomic class that does domestic labour on a non-market basis. This is reminding me I never finished reading Marx on the Margins oops I know he definitely developed his views on racism for example but I don't know if there's anything mentioned about women's issues. (Though I guess it doesn't matter that much if Marx did or not, there's been plenty of leftists since who've covered things like social reproduction, unwaged labour etc etc)
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Bobstar posted:I think that many people misunderstand the situation, due to deliberate muddying by Tories, like this: Actually Universities receive substantially less as the fees haven't increased in line with inflation (nor have the central contributions).
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Bobstar posted:I think that many people misunderstand the situation, due to deliberate muddying by Tories, like this: Also, check out how much deputy chancellors earn compared to other positions.
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Idpol is when people get to fight for how the groups they are a member of are regarded by others rather than having that decided for them. It's no wonder it pisses off right wingers and liberals: it deprives them of the sense of control and expertise respectively.
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pumpinglemma posted:Other universities do have more engaging teaching methods, I think. I did maths at Cambridge, and most of the lectures were just copying things down, but that was OK because most of the actual learning happened via grappling with the exercises and then talking them over in one-on-two supervisions. I did History at Oxford and in my time at least, lectures were strictly optional. I think I went to, like, two, both in my first year. You get your essay topic and reading list, you go to the library and get your books, you read them and write your essay, you go to the tutorial and read it out to your tutor, and then he eviscerates you for an hour or so. Lather, rinse and repeat for three years.
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