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Realistically, right now, if all the workers at the local Tescos just said 'we want triple pay or we're not coming in', Tesco would have to give them it.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:There's another form of charitable organisation besides registered charity but for the life of me I can't remember what it is called! Community something or other. But I can't google it because I don't know what to google LOL In "powerful people being comically ignorant of their supposed area of expertise" my boss didn't know that these existed even though we have had one as a client for several years and a personal friend of his was part of the ownership OwlFancier posted:Ultimately for all the platitudes about how people didn't realise what was really essential, I don't think it's going to change. Because people don't want to grapple with actually understanding what essential work means. They don't want to think the world is maintained by people who work for basic subsistence, they certainly don't want to deal with any of the consequences of empowering or even rewarding those people appropriately. She's definitely an outlier but over the past 5 years or so my retired mum has gone from a "they're the safe pair of hands we need to protect the economy poor people just don't know how to manage money" Tory to cackling at the idea that Boris might get killed by his own hubris and lamenting that celebrities are paid more than the people who clean the floors at hospitals. It's nice to know that some people do change their views based on things that happen.
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ThomasPaine posted:Realistically, right now, if all the workers at the local Tescos just said 'we want triple pay or we're not coming in', Tesco would have to give them it. I don't know. I could see them getting some scabs from the millions of suddenly unemployed people.
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I mean people can change their minds sure, but it's more likely to be the people made redundant by this than the people engaging in the performance, to the extent those are different people. The performance is a ground for the cognitive dissonance, not a call to action to resolve it. That's the purpose it serves, to discharge that energy harmlessly. We still live in a society engineered to make it as easy as possible to ignore the people upon which it rests. That's not going away.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Matreon This reminds me that I'm irrationally angry onlyfans didn't call themselves 'batereon. Also, this chaps girlfriend clearly doesn't know the correct place in which beans should be stored: https://twitter.com/redditships/status/1247895025788137474?s=19
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It's the intention to keep burying beans in the woods that gets me, like the woods are an ISA for beans.
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pumpinglemma posted:As far as I can tell from the other coronavirus thread, the IMHE model is kind of trash - it assumes all lockdowns are equal, and that the results of our shoddy lockdowns can be modelled by looking at the results of China and South Korea's sensible lockdowns. Bonus, it's trash that's currently writing US policy! Actually, it’s worse than that; for the UK it seems to be still showing predicted fatalities _assuming no lockdown_,. You can pick up the latest death figures automatically, but there is no way to automatically adjust the per-country model parameters based on what they are actually doing. So if the model see deaths going up, but not as much at it originally predicted, it uses the new info to comes to the conclusion the virus wasn’t as deadly as originally assumed.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:There's another form of charitable organisation besides registered charity but for the life of me I can't remember what it is called! Community something or other. But I can't google it because I don't know what to google LOL Ah cheers, probably one of those then but even if not it's still good to know.
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jabby posted:That's the opposite of what I think we should be doing though. I have probably gone off the deep end because my theory is that he never was ill and the whole thing has been staged to make him more popular and to immunize him against any criticism over his coronavirus response. Because that was my first thought when he was said to have tested positive. It's not like his carers can go to the press and say he doesn't have coronavirus, that would be illegal.
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StarkingBarfish posted:This reminds me that I'm irrationally angry onlyfans didn't call themselves 'batereon. Should have blasted your beans up her arse
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OwlFancier posted:It's the intention to keep burying beans in the woods that gets me, like the woods are an ISA for beans. Some enterprising kid is going to have the most novel woods porn experience ever
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, Hamas of all parties managed to win an election that most of the regional powers that be were trying to rig against them by making sure people got food and medicine. Performing community service where the government can't and won't help is pretty effective. Note that at the time they did that, the _party_ budget was, from foreign donations, at least 10% of that of the actual PLO government. Some sources claim more like 40%. You don’t have to be a lot less corrupt for that to end up doing more. So if that’s your plan, better find out if China has a few tens of billions going spare...
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A whatsapp group I'm in said 2 months ago if the whole lockdown/collapse of society is going to be that harsh it should be like the World War Z book chapter where the world gets back on it's feet, there's all these shithouse people with no practical skills but who earned millions being put under their housekeepers/electricians etc to do menial labour, because the good folk who worked for them are the ones who can rebuild things and they're only good for digging holes. And oh how they whinge about it. It's like the story I was told with the Virgin Stores head office having to make cuts years back: Their entire database/till programs ran on a bespoke system maintained by the 3 guys who wrote it, who they made redundant, despite them saying 'we're employed here to constantly rewrite the code/update it, you'll crash/bug out within 2 weeks'. Virgin replying 'Nah we'll cope take your redundancy and go gently caress yourselves'. You know where this is going. Month later Virgin shout the 3 guys and say 'we're hosed/can't cope, can we hire you back with a 10% pay increase?' 3 Guys: 'No. What you can do however is take us on as business consultants because we formed a ltd company in the meantime, and at the rate we choose, which is loving loads more than we were getting on salary' Which Virgin did. Be nice if the UK/gently caress, the rest of the world actually realised any of this but we're just going to get more of the loving same and people who make the world go round trodden on because number up/Eton boys are our lords and masters. gently caress them, this should be a revolution.
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Lol I saw someone post that on Twitter earlier, maybe some enterprising hack nicked it from there, but lol either way
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OwlFancier posted:S tier headline. gently caress me that is some primo headline.
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free pullout: Isolation Motivation BS
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Pretty sure it says blazing saddles, also I'm sure her armpits smell amazing.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Took me a good 30 seconds of headscratching and pronouncing it in a thick accent to try and find a pun before I realised the thumbnail doesn't have the entire headline. Thank you for this. I was baffled.
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Ms Adequate posted:Furthermore I believe Karethage must be destroyed. Furthermore I believe Karethage must be saved.
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OwlFancier posted:S tier headline. ISF went and did lyrics to match that headline, but I cant get it to load now. I'll try and repost it in the morning.
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OwlFancier posted:Ultimately for all the platitudes about how people didn't realise what was really essential, I don't think it's going to change. Because people don't want to grapple with actually understanding what essential work means. They don't want to think the world is maintained by people who work for basic subsistence, they certainly don't want to deal with any of the consequences of empowering or even rewarding those people appropriately. Oh I'm sure they'll get something else. The Tories know the score; workers voting against their own interests is the best way to keep power. So next year the minimum wage will rise by 7% instead of the planned 6%. On the front page of the Sun we'll see "ESSENTIAL WORKERS REWARDED WITH PAY RISE FROM BORIS". And then they'll quietly slash paid sick leave & any other worker protections the EU used to require, because we have to 'rebuild the economy' after the pandemic.
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namesake posted:The thing is that that approach is just a transactional service where you do nice things and then hope to have an emotional sense of obligation from the voter at the critical moment. Yeah you might well get some votes but a persuasive hostile media campaign about how your manifesto can't be done in reality or a targeted tax cut can just take that away again. So how does creating a deeper sense of achievement and potential futures work in practice? Obviously stopping people from being evicted would be even better than organising community volunteering, but how does Momentum achieve it and attach Labour to it? My concern is that without any practical action, people don't actually see Momentum and Labour members out there doing anything. We exist on social media, but just as a sort of faceless organisation that's regularly demonised in the press. And to anyone who doesn't use social media they just get the demonising part. The only time Momentum came out in person was to beg for votes, and that's just not that effective if people have no prior connection.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I don't get it at all but that might be because I'm not even sure what tan means https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_Out,_Ye_Black_and_Tans
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I don't get it at all but that might be because I'm not even sure what tan means The black and tans was a sort of paramilitary wing of the british government in Ireland back when it still ruled the whole place. Basically a right load of bastards who went and done a load of brutalizing to suppress the Irish revolutionaries. Burning homes, shooting people etc. Basically everything you expect from the brits. Tan, therefore, basically means Brit, there's a famous republican song called "come out ye black and tans" about how poo poo they are. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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Got a pizza delivery today and the bastards have gotten rid of half the deals and like two thirds of the pizza options! 
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OwlFancier posted:The black and tans was a sort of paramilitary wing of the british government in Ireland back when it still ruled the whole place. Basically a right load of bastards who went and done a load of brutalizing to suppress the Irish revolutionaries. Burning homes, shooting people etc. Basically everything you expect from the brits. Gotcha. That is indeed an amazing headline 
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TACD posted:Got a pizza delivery today and the bastards have gotten rid of half the deals and like two thirds of the pizza options! who bought Jess Phillips an account
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jabby posted:So how does creating a deeper sense of achievement and potential futures work in practice? Obviously stopping people from being evicted would be even better than organising community volunteering, but how does Momentum achieve it and attach Labour to it? The problem I see with this is... isn't it illegal? Not that that;'s something which should necessarily stop us, but it would stop a lot of people - you're not even allowed to offer people a cup of tea during campaigning, let alone run a Labour or Momentum-branded soup kitchen. Not that a Momentum-branded one would particularly help to persuade the average politics-as-football-teams voter, it would need to be Labour branded or nothing. It's the kind of thing I'd like to see, and I'd be much more interested in getting involved with than doorknocking (you know, plague notwithstanding), but if is is, as I think it is, illegal, then it would be essentially impossible to formally organise within Labour as a party structure, because parties that are not the Tories which do illegal poo poo get in trouble for it, and without the central apparatus to organise it, I don't see it happening in practise.
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Sulphagnist posted:I have probably gone off the deep end because my theory is that he never was ill and the whole thing has been staged to make him more popular and to immunize him against any criticism over his coronavirus response. Because that was my first thought when he was said to have tested positive. It's not like his carers can go to the press and say he doesn't have coronavirus, that would be illegal. Yeah I'm leaning heavily that this is PR stuff. Obviously if the oval office dies then egg on my face but if I was a government facing a shitload of healthcare workers potentially about to die then presenting the leader as also suffering in some way is such an objectively smart move, I'm with you I won't believe this poo poo for a second unless the fat bitch actually dies.
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Guavanaut posted:The actual split system ACs are fairly cheap, it's the installation that's the costly bit. Yeah we got one for our office. It was about £500 for the split unit (both parts, plus installation kit) and then another £500 for installation, plus the cost of getting a sparky to put in a new power line and isolator.
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thespaceinvader posted:The problem I see with this is... isn't it illegal? Not that that;'s something which should necessarily stop us, but it would stop a lot of people - you're not even allowed to offer people a cup of tea during campaigning, let alone run a Labour or Momentum-branded soup kitchen. This I don't know. I know you can't outright give people incentives during an election campaign, but something like setting up a food bank outside of one? Not sure. But even if it's purely running local community organising teams, or helping people apply for benefits or fight eviction, there must be something Labour/Momentum can do to actually get out on the doorstep and help people. Instead of just asking them to vote the way we want based on vague promises of a better tomorrow. Essentially, I'd like to see Momentum become a group that demonstrates socialist values by giving out help and support, rather than just a political pressure group that actually isn't very socialist in it's organisation.
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jabby posted:To be honest Momentum (and I'm a member) have been kind of a let-down. I always envisaged some kind of community organising and volunteering base, going around in Momentum/Labour T-shirts going objectively nice things for people so that at the next election they might not think nobody cares about them. With the leadership sorted (unfortunately) and an election years away now, Momentum is going to be moving a lot more into the community organising stuff of the type you’re talking about here and further down the thread. In just the next week or two we are relaunching both the Volunteer Slack and the Labour Legends programmes from the general election, now with a longer-term, community-building theme. Though, obviously, right now coronavirus stuff is the focus. We’re coordinating with mutual aid groups and the Labour Party’s Community Organisation Unit. We’re organising online skillshares and political education, as well as solidarity ring-rounds aimed largely at those at risk. We’re also doing some purely social stuff, like the virtual pub quiz we had with Ian Lavery the other week. I’m sure we’ll think of some other stuff to do as well. namesake posted:That's pretty much 100% what the ForwardMomentum reorganisation/rebrand is going to wind up doing, although they won't just be helping people they'll be helping 'the left' so it'll be campaign support and participation rather than volunteer charity work. Forward Momentum is not a reorganisation or a rebrand, it’s a campaign group aiming to reform Momentum that’s come about because we’re having the internal NCG (National Coordinating Group) elections soon. To be honest I’ve been a bit out of the loop today so I don’t know much about them, but I’ve heard both good and bad things.
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