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Popoto posted:planescape torment Is a book stuck into a video game though, almost all of its good story and such is giant blocks of text you read.
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the new microsoft flight simulator is the kind of thing that looks like it would be awesome in vr but im only going to get it on xbox and as far as i know there are no good vr systems that work with xbox. plus it is stupid expensive.
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Apr 9, 2020 02:05
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Flannelette posted:Is a book stuck into a video game though, almost all of its good story and such is giant blocks of text you read. Yeah the game is massively improved by modding out combat but that still leaves you with just loving slabs of writing
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Apr 9, 2020 02:05
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Flannelette posted:Is a book stuck into a video game though, almost all of its good story and such is giant blocks of text you read. it also has a bit of unfortunate d&d combat in it
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Apr 9, 2020 02:11
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i thought the most recent deus ex game (mankind divided) had a pretty good story. not one that i'd consider great ~Literature~ or anything but more or less on par with a decent pulpy sf novel
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Apr 9, 2020 02:34
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Is that the one with the overarching plot that goes nowhere, like the first third of a novel? The cast run around in circles and meet up at the end to say "I think there's a conspiracy?" right before the credits roll. Maybe not the best example of a good plot.
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Apr 9, 2020 02:55
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saying "I think there's a conspiracy" in a cyberpunk story, let alone Deus Ex, is like saying "I think there might be magic" in a story where everyone is levitating and throwing fireballs.
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Apr 9, 2020 03:11
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VR has the problem in that it requires innovation to figure out the best ways to use it and innovation has been violently stamped out of the video games industry for decades. There's a reason you're seeing it used either for janky attempts at making FPS games, or porn, and the porn is probably more innovative.
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Apr 9, 2020 06:38
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Theres a decent completely optional story twist that makes the narrative as presented in Human Revolution make more sense, but in a better game that would have been the main focus of the story and occured no later than half-way into the title instead of like the very last thing you can do.
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Apr 9, 2020 07:00
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Flannelette posted:Is a book stuck into a video game though, almost all of its good story and such is giant blocks of text you read. Lmao so you think stories are poo poo in video games, except good ones, because they're giant blocks of text you have to read? As opposed to a great book which is...hmm.
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Apr 9, 2020 09:59
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I'm struggling to think of any video games that transcend the quality of good genre fiction or movies as opposed to literature or cinema. There's absolutely nothing wrong with good genre works, and I'll spend as many hours looking up Dark Souls lore as the next guy, but when I think of recent games where the story has impressed like Horizon: Zero Dawn, I'm also aware that that would be a middling to good sci-fi story in Dangerous Visions or something.
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Apr 9, 2020 10:10
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you can't pull off sick headshots or combos in books though, so its a give and take situation
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Apr 9, 2020 10:16
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I agree that video games are bad for telling narratives. I think they can be amazing for creating your own.
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Apr 9, 2020 10:56
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The thing games can do that nothing else can is interactivity and immersion, which can seriously elevate even mediocre to bad writing that at least keeps on theme. Getting people invested in a narrative is gold.
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Apr 9, 2020 11:19
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Most action movies these days are on par with videogame writing imo I also think "narrative" is more important in a videogame than story, since you're experiencing the events firsthand. For this reason I love games like Half-Life where the story basically isn't told at all except through the environment and the events unfolding before you. There are no NPC's vomiting words into your face or slabs of text trying to get you invested in what's happening. You just get invested automatically
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Apr 9, 2020 11:29
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Earwicker posted:or euro truck for that matter. site posted:just give me an affordable headset that makes me think im looking at a 60" tv or whatever while im laying on my bed
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Apr 9, 2020 11:54
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Fartbox posted:Most action movies these days are on par with videogame writing imo Seriously, most AAA games have writing on the level of a Marvel movie and last I heard people were outraged at the implication that those aren't high art.
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Apr 9, 2020 11:59
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Haven't you heard? Because video games aren't several centuries old they can't be art. They are merely commercial scribbles meant to sell you things, no better than the lucky charms leprechaun. There is nothing between high art and commercial trash Punkinhead fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 12:02
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One aspect of storytelling that video games can uniquely achieve is to create an enormous sense of empathy for a character. By inhabiting not only their perspective but controlling their actions, you as the player actively participate in the retelling of a narrative that cannot really be duplicated by any other medium. Having to mimic the necessary action to advance a story versus passively reading or watching it presents unique situations that some of the best video game narratives tap into.
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Apr 9, 2020 12:07
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I think VR should take advantage of the expectation of wearing monitors in front of your eyes beyond the 3D effect. There are a lot of things I can think of for making them useful in horror games by exploiting the player's reluctance to remove the headset, and you can do stuff like overlay images on the display that you can't look away from. The spatial audio of Hellblade when you're using headphones is a good example of how immersive stuff can be simply by messing with people, and I think that kind of thing could carry over to vision. Maybe some day we'll have a way to track pupils fast enough to work the user's peripheral vision without it being obvious, and then mess with them by having hosed up stuff happen just out of their focus. I think that not focusing on human physiology beyond the 3D effect and head tracking is aiming really low.
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Apr 9, 2020 12:51
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PinheadSlim posted:Haven't you heard? Because video games aren't several centuries old they can't be art. Video games are definitely art but no video game has yet to encourage an emotional response of any depth greater than what even the most casual reader hasn't already encountered before
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Apr 9, 2020 14:22
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exquisite tea posted:One aspect of storytelling that video games can uniquely achieve is to create an enormous sense of empathy for a character. By inhabiting not only their perspective but controlling their actions, you as the player actively participate in the retelling of a narrative that cannot really be duplicated by any other medium. Having to mimic the necessary action to advance a story versus passively reading or watching it presents unique situations that some of the best video game narratives tap into. Do you have any examples youd like to share? Not being dismissive but would appreciate if you could expand on this thought
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Apr 9, 2020 14:24
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Caesar Saladin posted:the thing about VR is that I absolutely can't trust anybody that bought it because it is just so expensive. There's no way they can give a normal human's assessment on whether its good right now because they are convincing themselves it was worth the thousand dollars. There’s only one VR system that’s a thousand bucks, and that’s the Index. My Rift S was a little over 400 bucks after tax. It was super worth it for me, stuff like H3VR is a blast, the online billiard room stuff has been great for hanging out with my friends that have headsets while we’re all locked down, and beat saber is a blast. Though one of my favorite VR games is House of the Dying Sun, because it’s basically TIE Fighter and feeling like you’re in the cockpit makes it even cooler. site posted:just give me an affordable headset that makes me think im looking at a 60" tv or whatever while im laying on my bed Do you have a PS4? You can get a used PSVR for not much and it’s great for that, it’s even got a setting that’s equivalent to a 120” tv.
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Apr 9, 2020 14:31
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PinheadSlim posted:It's like they saw Comic Book Guy and they were like "Wow that guy is really cool I want to be like him" I think you've won this thread.
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Fartbox posted:Most action movies these days are on par with videogame writing imo This is probably the best way of video game storytelling, probably telling that it's also used in Dark Souls. People tune out dialogue and forget exposition, so if you don't tell them anything and make them have to figure out what's going on in front of them they'll feel motivated to do so. Or they won't and they'll just keep going forward and shooting the bad guys, and either way enjoying themselves! Basically, it's win/win.
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Apr 9, 2020 15:12
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fridge corn posted:Video games are definitely art but no video game has yet to encourage an emotional response of any depth greater than what even the most casual reader hasn't already encountered before How you could pick up something like Dwarf Fortress then immediately try to compare it to a book I will truly never understand. We will never come to any sort of understanding about what an "emotional response" is. Punkinhead fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Play posted:Also racing and piloting games of all types are great in VR another reason i have not jumped on VR yet is that if i get a psvr to play RE7 and Gran Turismo i can't also use the same unit to play Elite: Dangerous on PC or code for. and if i get a PC one i can't use it for Gran Turismo
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Apr 9, 2020 15:19
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pretty sure you can use the psvr on pc it just takes some tweaking
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Confirmed, but the text in ED and many other games isn't realy legible with that headset.
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Apr 9, 2020 15:30
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I really like VR but don't like the evangelists for it, I see both sides I think. I backed the Rift DK1 waaaay back when so to me it's not a novelty any more, it's just a peripheral, like a wheel or joystick. You either like it or you don't but I have never really understood why people get so worked up on either side of the argument, or why there is an argument at all, it's just a gaming device lol
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Apr 9, 2020 16:18
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peter gabriel posted:I really like VR but don't like the evangelists for it, I see both sides I think. It's the gaming equivalent of D-BOX seats in theaters. It's a dumb gimmick that adds little to nothing to the medium and takes up resources that could otherwise be spent on making good games.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:This is probably the best way of video game storytelling, probably telling that it's also used in Dark Souls. People tune out dialogue and forget exposition, so if you don't tell them anything and make them have to figure out what's going on in front of them they'll feel motivated to do so. Or they won't and they'll just keep going forward and shooting the bad guys, and either way enjoying themselves! Basically, it's win/win. There is something extremely satisfying in piecing the story of a place through your own observations, compared to the usual exposition dump. It fulfills this feeling I had as a kid where I would go exploring in the woods, stumble upon small, empty cabins, and try to piece the story of that place (who are its owners, what are they like, what purpose does this place serves). There is a certain mysticism to it that I love, a deep melancholic feeling I find. And when games do that it's basically like candy to me. Subnautica had tons of it. It's the last mainstream game I remember playing that had the exploration bug scratched. I blame Myst for giving it to me.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:32
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food court bailiff posted:another reason i have not jumped on VR yet is that if i get a psvr to play RE7 and Gran Turismo i can't also use the same unit to play Elite: Dangerous on PC or code for. and if i get a PC one i can't use it for Gran Turismo I think the gran turismo sport VR is single-player only and not well integrated in to the rest of the game. you should probably just get a PC VR and play some PC racing games. there is no shortage of PC racing games and most of them (Assetto Corsa, Project Cars, rFactor probably) support good VR. I like gran turismo sport (don't have a PSVR tho) and play it often, but I would say do the PC VR racing instead.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:33
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olives black posted:It's the gaming equivalent of D-BOX seats in theaters. It's a dumb gimmick that adds little to nothing to the medium and takes up resources that could otherwise be spent on making good games. yeah, stuff like this. This kind of thing made me stop reading the Half Life Alyx forum on Steam 
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Apr 9, 2020 16:49
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you should never, under any circumstances, read the steam forums for a major release. or for any release tbh.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:50
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big nipples big life posted:you should never, under any circumstances, read the steam forums for a major release. or for any release tbh. I like to pop in sometimes to see what Steams take is on things, like slowing down to see an accident style
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Apr 9, 2020 16:51
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the steam forums is like drinking gamergate stereotypes from a firehose. it makes gamefaqs look civilized.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:54
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Sometimes you get a bug in a game and have to use the steam forum to see if there is any fix for it.
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dudeness posted:Sometimes you get a bug in a game and have to use the steam forum to see if there is any fix for it. Yeah this is me at the moment with automobilista 2 and then drifted into the HL forum, it's real bad in there 
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fridge corn posted:Video games are definitely art but no video game has yet to encourage an emotional response of any depth greater than what even the most casual reader hasn't already encountered before If video games are art then how come the games forum is under 'discussion' and not 'the finer arts'?
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