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STAC Goat posted:In hindsight to me the weirdest thing about the Dudleyz is that like no one remembers Big Dick or Sign Guy or that whole thing they were in ECW before Bubba turned heel. That's fine because they were a weird comedy act that probably aged really badly and the Dudleyz were a tremendous heel act. But its weird to me to think that most people don't know he was Buh Buh Ray. Don't forget the ridiculously racist Dances With.
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oh but seriously I posted:Terri Runnels was briefly involved. They did the Terri Invitational Tournament. IT'S A TIT JOKE. YOU GET IT?! YOU GETTING IT? IT IS A JOKE ABOUT TITS.
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STAC Goat posted:In hindsight to me the weirdest thing about the Dudleyz is that like no one remembers Big Dick or Sign Guy or that whole thing they were in ECW before Bubba turned heel. That's fine because they were a weird comedy act that probably aged really badly and the Dudleyz were a tremendous heel act. But its weird to me to think that most people don't know he was Buh Buh Ray. ive watched ecw from that era relatively recently and you are right it does not hold up
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I mean I don't think it ever really worked. It was a weird undercard comedy act until Devon showed up and Bubba turned and then it was just liek a switch flipped. But its just such a weird way for that team to have started that most fans probably have no idea of.
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TriffTshngo posted:I seem to remember E&C also being the two guys most often seen in backstage skits with Commissioner Mick Foley, which probably helped speed along their comedy heel personas even more. Mick, and Kurt Angle. Those four in whatever combination made for comedy gold.
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shiksa posted:ive watched ecw from that era relatively recently and you are right it does not hold up Dances With Dudley
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Edge and Christian were sort of treading water from No Mercy 99 to Wrestlemania 2000. They had left the Brood and were just two guys. Not vampires, not comedy jerks. I think Edge's most notable storyline at this point was managing Val Venis sister.
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Halloween Jack posted:No. Gangrel disowned them and they are Caitiff now. That's not how it works 
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Don't listen to this thin-blood.
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Why didnt the team of Christian York and Joey Matthew's make it? It seemed like they were on the cusp of landing somewhere around the end of 2000 but then ECW and WCW died and they seemed to just break up and drift off until Matthews got signed by WWE. I definitely think they should have been immediate scoop ups by ROH and TNA in 02.
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OFFICER LIGER posted:Why didnt the team of Christian York and Joey Matthew's make it? It seemed like they were on the cusp of landing somewhere around the end of 2000 but then ECW and WCW died and they seemed to just break up and drift off until Matthews got signed by WWE. I definitely think they should have been immediate scoop ups by ROH and TNA in 02. They were on both the first ever TNA weekly PPV and on the 2nd ROH show. And then never again for TNA and just 3 more ROH shows. They just didn't do anything memorable in those 4 ROH shows but that doesn't necessarily explain why they didn't get more bookings
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The Cameo posted:“Excuse us, but we have to go do what we in the business refer to as a ‘run-in’” Heh. They totally stole that from a New Age Outlaws bit.
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I watched part of an Al Snow shoot where he commented on the Kurt Angel/Daniel Puder incident and he says that they shouldn't have tried what they did because of the risk to Kurt. I've heard conflicting reports over what actually happened one person says Daniel was out to make a name for himself and another says Daniel was still green and didn't understand the business well enough to be asked to do something like that. Do we know, more or less (or at least as much as you can with wrestling) why the incident turned out like it did and whos "fault" was it?
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bessantj posted:I watched part of an Al Snow shoot where he commented on the Kurt Angel/Daniel Puder incident and he says that they shouldn't have tried what they did because of the risk to Kurt. I've heard conflicting reports over what actually happened one person says Daniel was out to make a name for himself and another says Daniel was still green and didn't understand the business well enough to be asked to do something like that. Do we know, more or less (or at least as much as you can with wrestling) why the incident turned out like it did and whos "fault" was it? Puders whole thing was being VERY sure of himself but I think knowing what we do about reality TV, that attitude was probably encouraged because it adds intrigue. I actually agree that asking a bunch of greenhorns to do a segment like that was dumb and reckless because as I understand it they were basically told to legit try to take Angle down. They're lucky nothing REALLY ugly happened.
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poo poo like that and the Brawl For All where they're told to "do it legit" and then punished when they win (I just watched that episode of Dark Side of the Ring; Bart deserved better) is the carniest poo poo in the world.
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bessantj posted:I watched part of an Al Snow shoot where he commented on the Kurt Angel/Daniel Puder incident and he says that they shouldn't have tried what they did because of the risk to Kurt. I've heard conflicting reports over what actually happened one person says Daniel was out to make a name for himself and another says Daniel was still green and didn't understand the business well enough to be asked to do something like that. Do we know, more or less (or at least as much as you can with wrestling) why the incident turned out like it did and whos "fault" was it? Kurt was told to go out there and shoot on them a bit, and Puder caught him. Pretty simple.
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Davros1 posted:Heh. They totally stole that from a New Age Outlaws bit. I just like that even as heels about to ruin a match, Canadian politeness still managed to get through with Edge excusing himself from the commentary desk
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WATCH TOMMY DREAMER, BATTLE "PRIMETIME" BRIAN LEE, IT'S HIGH INCIDENT! PUBLIC ENEMY VS. THE GANGSTAS AND 911 WITH BILL ALFONSO AS THE SPECIAL REFEREE! SEE THE HISTORIC BATTLE OF THE BAM BAMS, AS BAM BAM BIGELOW TAKES ON TERRY "BAM BAM" GORDY! AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, UNEDITED, NEVER BEFORE SEEN... it's the night Kimona Wanalaya...danced atop the ECW Arena.
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Randaconda posted:WATCH TOMMY DREAMER, BATTLE "PRIMETIME" BRIAN LEE, IT'S HIGH INCIDENT! Didn’t she just...dance? For like thirty seconds? She didn’t strip or anything? Why the gently caress was this pushed in every single commercial? I remember finally seeing it a few years ago and being flummoxed.
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she stripped
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bessantj posted:I watched part of an Al Snow shoot where he commented on the Kurt Angel/Daniel Puder incident and he says that they shouldn't have tried what they did because of the risk to Kurt. I've heard conflicting reports over what actually happened one person says Daniel was out to make a name for himself and another says Daniel was still green and didn't understand the business well enough to be asked to do something like that. Do we know, more or less (or at least as much as you can with wrestling) why the incident turned out like it did and whos "fault" was it? They had the Tough Enough trainees do some stupid stuff to gas them out and then sent Kurt Angle in to embarrass them. Puder caught a kimura and Angle would never tap so the ref counted a pin that wasn't there on Puder to save Angle's arm.
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bessantj posted:I watched part of an Al Snow shoot where he commented on the Kurt Angel/Daniel Puder incident and he says that they shouldn't have tried what they did because of the risk to Kurt. I've heard conflicting reports over what actually happened one person says Daniel was out to make a name for himself and another says Daniel was still green and didn't understand the business well enough to be asked to do something like that.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn’t she just...dance? For like thirty seconds? She didn’t strip or anything? Why the gently caress was this pushed in every single commercial? I remember finally seeing it a few years ago and being flummoxed. She did a striptease dance for a few minutes. I'll agree that it's way tamer than expected, but this was the 90s. Footage of the dance wouldn't be readily available, and ECW could advertise it to be lewder than it actually is. finalcake fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn’t she just...dance? For like thirty seconds? She didn’t strip or anything? Why the gently caress was this pushed in every single commercial? I remember finally seeing it a few years ago and being flummoxed. Paul E knew his audience. There's a reason they advertised that Extreme Warfare Vol.2 tape so much. (OP forgot to mention the line about "experience the one and only confrontation between Sabu & Lionheart Chris Jericho") God it just gets embedded in your brain, line by line. In 30 or 40 years I'll be on my death bed & just hear Joey Style's dumb read of that ad with Filter playing in the background
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forkboy84 posted:Paul E knew his audience. There's a reason they advertised that Extreme Warfare Vol.2 tape so much. 
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MassRafTer posted:They had the Tough Enough trainees do some stupid stuff to gas them out and then sent Kurt Angle in to embarrass them. Puder caught a kimura and Angle would never tap so the ref counted a pin that wasn't there on Puder to save Angle's arm. Good thing the ref was alert enough to count the pin. Halloween Jack posted:WWE was at fault for putting trainees in that position in the first place. None of the details are important, because there's no detail that could make this anything but a stupid loving idea from the people who had the power and should've known better. Yeah that does seem the biggest point, pretty stupid of the WWE. Thanks for all the repiles.
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For years I thought she was physically on top of the building. Aerial shots and everything.
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Angle looked legit pissed when he got in Puder's face after but also Angle is really good at looking pissed so..
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How long have countouts been a thing in pro wrestling? Obviously pro wresting history is murky at best but I'm curious about it. I've heard tell that Abraham Lincoln, during his time as a wrestler, would famously throw people out of the ring does anyone know if this was viewed as a way to end the match, even if the ten count hadn't been established at that time? I assume we probably don't actually know a ton about this period so as a follow up how far back can we actually prove countouts go as a rule? A quick google search wasn't getting me much in the way of information on this topic, thanks to anyone who might have some information about this!
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reignofevil posted:How long have countouts been a thing in pro wrestling? Obviously pro wresting history is murky at best but I'm curious about it. I've heard tell that Abraham Lincoln, during his time as a wrestler, would famously throw people out of the ring does anyone know if this was viewed as a way to end the match, even if the ten count hadn't been established at that time? I assume we probably don't actually know a ton about this period so as a follow up how far back can we actually prove countouts go as a rule? A quick google search wasn't getting me much in the way of information on this topic, thanks to anyone who might have some information about this! In the 1850s a fall would typically be if you could throw your opponent to the ground so going outside whatever the "ring" was at that point wouldn't really come into it. Just that you went down. I think they became a thing in the 1930s. It may have been sooner because people were knocked out or injured going out of rings before that. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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Golden Bee posted:For years I thought she was physically on top of the building. Aerial shots and everything. I thought the same exact thing.
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I always assumed there was like a crow's nest or observation deck or something? I've never seen it, I don't even know what she looks like but her name has been burned into my brain simply by reading it so often over the years by people making fun of how often it was advertised by Heyman.
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Staying true to his carnie roots, Heyman either told her it wouldn't be taped or that it would never be aired.
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Jerusalem posted:I always assumed there was like a crow's nest or observation deck or something? I've never seen it, I don't even know what she looks like but her name has been burned into my brain simply by reading it so often over the years by people making fun of how often it was advertised by Heyman. She was Leia Meow in WCW if you remember the Jung Dragons
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there's just this big area that could be stood on up above the entry way and stuff but it wasn't really made for that. i don't know what it's for. it's like an uncomfortably high stage that no one can really see up on unless someone is near the edge of it. you could only get there because there were holes in the drywall. and that's where the dancing was. i don't know why. she was dating chris jericho during this time.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Angle looked legit pissed when he got in Puder's face after but also Angle is really good at looking pissed so..
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forkboy84 posted:She was Leia Meow in WCW if you remember the Jung Dragons I remember that there was a team called The Jung Dragons, but not anything else about them (and certainly not that they had a.... manager? Valet? female wrestler as a wider part of their stable?) .... was one of them in 3 Count too?
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Jerusalem posted:I remember that there was a team called The Jung Dragons, but not anything else about them (and certainly not that they had a.... manager? Valet? female wrestler as a wider part of their stable?) .... was one of them in 3 Count too? Jamie Noble (in a mask) was part of The Jung Dragons and after they split up he was in a tagteam with Evan Karagias from 3 Count. The other two members of Jung Dragons might also be familiar to you. Jimmy "Wang" Yang and Kaz Hayashi
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Jerusalem posted:I remember that there was a team called The Jung Dragons, but not anything else about them (and certainly not that they had a.... manager? Valet? female wrestler as a wider part of their stable?) .... was one of them in 3 Count too? I think they were blood enemies with 3 Count. Tank Abbot was somehow involved.
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oh but seriously I posted:I think they were blood enemies with 3 Count. Tank Abbot was somehow involved. As I recall, Tank was a 3 Count fanboy.
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