|
Groda posted:https://kotaku.com/instead-of-closing-video-game-retailer-provides-employ-1842646720 The sunlight/gargling are more Japanese mythology than Chinese, so I wonder. I have heard conflicting reports on how much Japan is into hot water and avoiding cold foods. It doesn't seem like they do that from my visits, but people who live there have told me they believe in those things too, though maybe not to the same extreme as China.
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 16:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 12:14 |
|
|
Megillah Gorilla posted:poo poo, in all the fuss, I completely forgot we're well on the way to seeing the total extinction of the pig. pigs: - unclean - poop becomes toxic waste - cute piglets become grotesque swine goats & sheep: - adorable - poop becomes fertilizer - cute kids become cuter goat/sheep in short? a net good.
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 17:18
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 17:22
|
|
|
PHIZ KALIFA posted:pigs: Counterpoint: pig's huge balls
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 17:26
|
|
|
on second thought no that's enough posting for now
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 17:29
|
|
|
Remember those useless masks that were sent to Finland from China. Well, the details about that story are even more nuts that I expected. https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/c...2807005239.html Who uses the Hell's Angels as an essential link in your supply chain? golden bubble fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Apr 9, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 18:01
|
|
|
Japan just announced a little over $2 billion in funding for companies to relocate manufacturing out of China and back into Japan. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/japan-to-fund-firms-to-shift-production-out-of-china
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 19:05
|
|
|
The junk collector posted:Japan just announced a little over $2 billion in funding for companies to relocate manufacturing out of China and back into Japan. gently caress Yeah! Maybe the west will follow suit and become independent from Chinese manuf. . . . hahahahahaha. WHO chief addresses death threats and racist insults: 'I don't give a drat' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKqG3zN7N9k Goes out of his way to blame the attacks on Taiwan. For a guy who doesn't seem to care, he's spending a long time talking about how much he doesn't care. I'm guessing this is an attempt to redirect attention away from the "great job" he's doing, and to placate the CCP in some way. Tsai even felt the need to address it. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 20:00
|
|
|
What about Taiwan number 1 attacks
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 20:54
|
|
|
The junk collector posted:Japan just announced a little over $2 billion in funding for companies to relocate manufacturing out of China and back into Japan. owns, lots of japanese export products got kinda lovely once they stopped being made there like makita tools and [any consumer electronics you can think of] around the mid 90's. even with these products there are still some that are made in japan but it's usually the most expensive/specialized models, or stuff not for export. you see a lot less made in china labels when you're shopping in japan, even for cheap items that would be unimaginable being made anywhere but china if sold in the US but part of me thinks they would keep their export products manufacturing outsourced because they think foreigners don't care about quality (and they're right)
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2020 23:18
|
|
|
Blistex posted:gently caress Yeah! Maybe the west will follow suit and become independent from Chinese manuf. . . . hahahahahaha. He acknowledged Taiwan, better lock him up,
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 02:16
|
|
|
If president fuckin pissbaby hadn't threatened to withdraw funding to three dozen different things already maybe this one would actually mean something. I too would like to know how Taiwan only has 380 cases when much less populous countries are getting that many every day. Edit: of course he doesn't care about Taiwan recognition, he just wishes Doc Tedros would suck his dick more than Xi's. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Apr 10, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 02:34
|
|
|
Blistex posted:Yeah, it's equal parts hilarious and horrifying. Shows how desperate the WHO is to retain the China money. I posted it in the China thread, but the US donates 3x as much, and could cough up another third and say, "Just loving forget China's opinions". The fact that the WHO wasn't able to accurately report what was happening in China is proof enough (IMO) that the "benefit" of having people in China isn't worth it. If only there was some giant glaring example of why you should not take official Chinese statements at face value. WHO is just an agent of the states that fund it, and no state recognizes an independent Taiwan. If you want the WHO to recognize Taiwan, make sure that your government does so.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 02:41
|
|
ok, this is the China thread.
|
But most of its funding comes from US right?
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 02:52
|
|
|
Yes, it's about 60% US cash and 30% Chinese cash for the WHO. But the US has be burning it's own soft power right now for no reason at all. It would be so much harder for the tyrannical CCCP to expand their soft power if western democracies would just stop shooting themselves in the foot, over and over again.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 02:59
|
|
|
steinrokkan posted:WHO is just an agent of the states that fund it, and no state recognizes an independent Taiwan. If you want the WHO to recognize Taiwan, make sure that your government does so. Palau and Paraguay we need you
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 03:00
|
|
|
steinrokkan posted:WHO is just an agent of the states that fund it, and no state recognizes an independent Taiwan. If you want the WHO to recognize Taiwan, make sure that your government does so. I'm more upset that they are unable to do their loving job because they are worried about Chinese money and being able to operate in China, the latter (Covid 19 just proved) doesn't matter. Dandywalken posted:But most of its funding comes from US right? US - 99,168,375 (USD) CN - 29,323,023 (USD) JP - 20,918,146 (USD) It's like ignoring a massive outbreak in Japan because you don't want to upset them, while also making sure you stress that the Diaoyu Islands are theirs. Which is preposterous since no other nation other than China is that piss-baby insane.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 03:01
|
|
|
Blistex posted:Which is preposterous since no other nation other than China is that piss-baby insane. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 03:38
|
|
|
Cashed-up North Korea is probably a bit too on the nose.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 04:05
|
|
|
Blistex posted:It's like ignoring a massive outbreak in Japan because you don't want to upset them, while also making sure you stress that the Diaoyu Islands are theirs. Which is preposterous since no other nation other than China is that piss-baby insane. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 04:37
|
|
|
These are very stupid and very ignorant questions, so I apologize: 1) What is the CCP's preferred strategy on Taiwan? Do they attack them, or ignore them? I know they want the rest of the world to not acknowledge it's existence, but internally, do they poo poo talk Tsai and her government, or do they ignore/ostracize them? 2) How is COVID-19 doing in Macau? Because Macau is, (as far as I know), as officially not-China similarly to how Hong Kong is not-China. And it is this way so they can have legal casinos belching cash into CCP coffers. And that is the crux of the question, coz as far as I know Macau has little other industry apart from casinos, and the tourist dollars that arise from rich mainland businessmen that visit to throw their money at said casinos. Are they still open? And if not, how has that hosed the economy of Macau? Again apologies for the ignorance of the questions.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 04:44
|
|
|
Well, North Korea has no coivid cases, so having an adult baby for president is obviously a good thing
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 04:53
|
|
|
Dandywalken posted:But most of its funding comes from US right?
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 05:09
|
|
|
I wonder what's going on in Tibet.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 06:12
|
|
|
Shadow0 posted:I wonder what's going on in Tibet. whatever it is I'm sure it's extremely harmonious and doesn't involve tons of cops
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 07:06
|
|
|
Blistex posted:Which is preposterous since no other nation other than China is that piss-baby insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z285W7-ciis
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 07:32
|
|
|
Shumagorath posted:Yeah but only since early 2017 has the US publicly demanded goodwill organizations blow them in exchange. In PRC that's item #1 for doing business.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 07:42
|
|
|
steinrokkan posted:Well, North Korea has no coivid cases, so having an adult baby for president is obviously a good thing How do you explain the US then?
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 07:47
|
|
|
porkinson posted:How do you explain the US then? the unnamed country is run by a rogue oompa loompa, not an adult baby
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 20:28
|
|
|
BrigadierSensible posted:These are very stupid and very ignorant questions, so I apologize: It's been some years since I studied this in depth so I may be out of date, but - 1) In general terms they want to isolate them politically while strengthening economic ties so that Taiwan is more dependent on the mainland and over time use the leverage to bring them further and further under the sway of Chinese political decisions until they are basically another province/special administrative zone. When the KMT was in power they really pushed for a trade deal to move this forward but it was too much for most Taiwanese to swallow so there was a backlash which put the DPP in power again, who are much more independence-minded. While the CCP already has overwhelming military capabilities to defeat them in battle, there's very little chance that would happen in actuality IMO. Whether the US would come to the aid of Taiwan is another question. 2) I don't know much about Macau but looking at some recent news articles while they did reopen casinos nobody is going there and the economy is going to / is taking a big hit.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 20:39
|
|
|
Mozi posted:While the CCP already has overwhelming military capabilities to defeat them in battle, there's very little chance that would happen in actuality IMO. Whether the US would come to the aid of Taiwan is another question.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 21:13
|
|
|
If their planning is anything like Korea's (South), then I'm guessing a big portion of their defenses is going to be pre-planned areas where PLA troops have to funnel in, get nice and concentrated, then these guys get to work.  It's old-school tech, but there really isn't anything more demoralizing to troops than a precise, coordinated, and concentrated artillery barrage.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 21:19
|
|
|
I want to ask if PRC is petulant enough to crater Taipei like DPRK is projected to do to Seoul and thus conquer nothing of value, but I feel like I know that answer.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 21:21
|
|
|
Blistex posted:If their planning is anything like Korea's (South), then I'm guessing a big portion of their defenses is going to be pre-planned areas where PLA troops have to funnel in, get nice and concentrated, then these guys get to work. The MLRS is also referred to as a “grid square removal system”, since one firing all twelve tubes can completely cover a square kilometer with submunitions. They usually fire in groups of 3 vehicles emptying 12 tubes. I have a hard time believing that the PLA, which mostly drills for riot pacification, could withstand that kind of artillery barrage.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 21:25
|
|
|
I think it would basically be to wipe out Taiwan's air defenses and airpower in a massive attack first and then basically besiege them and wait them out. This assumes the US stays out of it. Goes without saying it would be pretty terrible for all involved. Could definitely be wrong here though.
Mozi fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 10, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 21:25
|
|
|
It would be bad for China because Taiwan is number 1
Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Apr 11, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 21:37
|
|
|
Mozi posted:I think it would basically be to wipe out Taiwan's air defenses and airpower in a massive attack first and then basically besiege them and wait them out. This assumes the US stays out of it. Goes without saying it would be pretty terrible for all involved. Could definitely be wrong here though. Delving into Clancy-Chat, but. I don't know if the "wait it out" plan could work, as it would be a bigger and bigger loss of face the longer Taiwan doesn't surrender. It would be something like Stalingrad sticking it's tongue out at Hitler, something that Xi probably couldn't endure. It's probably safe to sat that the ROC air force would either be completely destroyed or have nowhere to take off or land after the first 15 minutes of a conflict. China has the cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, and long-range rockets to pretty thoroughly ensure that they never see a ROC plane in the sky, but Taiwan has enough air defenses equipment that it's likely that the PLAAF wouldn't be able to do any CAS or general bombing missions above Taiwan. Another issue is that the PLAN has to get the PLA across the strait and onto the shores of Taiwan. Even if the ROC navy decides to take the day off, there are hundreds of Supersonic anti-ship missiles that can reach hundreds of KM out to sea. Assuming that all of those were miraculously taken out, the ROC army has over 1700 tanks that could line the beaches and start taking out landing craft and ships that get too close. If someone forgot where they kept the ignition keys for all of the tanks, then they could switch to their 160+ TOW missile launchers with over 3000 missiles that can reach a few km out to sea and start lighting up anything that gets too close. Assuming by some sort of miracle of the CCP that all of those defenses somehow disappeared, then the ROC would could go back to what I said in my initial post, and have the artillery start plastering beaches the instant people set foot on them, something that would probably make Omaha beach look like a cakewalk. Also, while this has been happening, Taiwan has also launched their own ballistic and cruise missiles at Chinese ports and staging areas, making follow-up waves more difficult. The biggest (maybe only real) factor is the morale/resolve of the two sides. China 1. Does China want to conquer a smoldering ruin with little to no value remaining, full of a populace that absolutely hates them? 2. Is China willing to suffer tens to hundreds of thousands of deaths and lose face (militarily and politically) and become an international pariah? 3. Is the morale of the PLA going to break after nobody from the first wave survives and the second wave can see the beaches of Taiwan covered in a fine red paste with hundreds of landing craft in flames? Taiwan 1. Is Taiwan willing to fight to the end, and even if they win, is the nearly total destruction of their nation worth it to their people? 2. Is Taiwan willing to suffer tens to hundreds of thousands of deaths to keep from becoming part of the mainland? 3. Is the morale of the ROC forces going to break after every airbase, port, fixed military structure, and probably a good share of government buildings and their cities have been reduced to rubble? Maybe China lands the Wolf Warrior on the beaches and he single-handedly takes over Taiwan? Maybe Taiwan tries a Hail-Mary and one of their missiles hits Xi's limo and kills him? I enjoy debating hypothetical situations like this, but don't enjoy the thought of any of it actually happening. I think what's best for everyone is that Xi gets dethroned, China starts to resume it's move towards liberalization, and Taiwan gets it's wish and becomes a real
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 22:18
|
|
|
All very good points - and illustrative of why the status quo has remained all these decades.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 22:30
|
|
|
Chabuduo III war with Chinese characteristics
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 23:13
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 12:14 |
|
|
The US will almost certainly go to bat for Taiwan. Geopolitics demand it. Losing Taiwan breaks containment strategy. Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Vietnam etc form a chain that can prevent that blue water fleet China has and intercept any supplies if they do get out. There has been modernisation but for the vast majority training is still non-existent with zero combat experience. Pilots get few hours making it hard to stay current. Crossing water is not something you can half rear end. Any preparation would be obvious and take a long time along side alot of diplomatic BS trying to drum up a casus belli. Invading Iraq landing in a friendly country took 6 months of build up. Taiwan wins by not losing if they can't throw them back into the sea. The US arrives in force a couple weeks later or render the force combat ineffective through harassment. The US can blockade China and blow up all the overland links killing the economy especially if decoupling happens which is likely given how the virus has exposed the weaknesses in global trade with China. Even the average person can't ignore how poo poo China has been selling junk PPE and tests. Ballistic missiles and guided munitions aren't magic. Runways can be repaired fairly quickly and alternates ready to get planes back up like the exercise in Germany landing a plane the highway with equipment ready to rearm. You can't shoot what you can't see so there will be enough aircraft to keep the sky contested for a while and ground forces would be pretty alright. The US didn't kill a single SCUD launcher in Gulf War one and that was pretty much open terrain.
|
|
#
?
Apr 10, 2020 23:13
|
|
