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GhostDog posted:Auch „Milch ab Hof“, die in Rohmilchautomaten (sogenannten Milchtankstellen) abgegeben wird, wird im Lebensmittel- und Veterinärinstitut Braunschweig/Hannover des LAVES regelmäßig mikrobiologisch untersucht. Im Untersuchungszeitraum Januar 2016 bis August 2017 wurden insgesamt 100 solcher Proben auf die folgenden mikrobiologischen Parameter untersucht: Gesamtkeimzahl, Escherichia, koagulasepositive Staphylokokken, Salmonellen, Campylobacter, VTEC und Listerien. I suppose I should start boiling, or E. coli will probably get me before Corona does. e: Could take it to the lab when it's open again and streak it out on plates to see what grows, but I know gently caress all about quantification of food borne pathogens. ABen fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Apr 11, 2020 |
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ABen posted:Yikes. Guess food safety methods were developed for a reason. Obviously, that is a fake study by big milk. Soon they will tell you that a mandatory vaccination against measles is okay. oliwan posted:yikes, adults who drink animal milk itt I don't really drink milk. But it's essential for certain baking recipes. Pancakes with plant milk are unfortunately strictly interior. And I tried that a few times. By the way, I don't like Oatly, because they have a super smug add campaign. "Like milk, but for people." cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Apr 11, 2020 |
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I thought it was pretty much scientific fact that you shouldn't drink raw milk unless you absolutely have too. I'm pretty sure I read that the whole "pasteurization kills nutrients" thing is false as well.
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GhostDog posted:I thought it was pretty much scientific fact that you shouldn't drink raw milk unless you absolutely have too. I'm pretty sure I read that the whole "pasteurization kills nutrients" thing is false as well. Yeah. Also, because if you go to the effort of cooking raw milk at home you are essentialy pasteurizating anyway. Except that professional pasteurization is heating it evenly for an incredibly short time. If you are doing that at home in a pot, it takes longer to reach the even heat and will actually kill more nutrients, while killing the germs less effectively. I bet a lot of people fear pasteurization, since it's such a technical term which they don't really understand. They should have called it something like Kurzerhitzung. But no, Monseiur Pasteur, needed to boost his ego. "It's okay to drink non-pasteurized milk, if you cook it first." is such a stupid take. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Apr 11, 2020 |
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cant cook creole bream posted:I bet a lot of people fear pasteurization, since it's such a technical term which they don't really understand. They should have called it something like Kurzerhitzung. But no, Monseiur Pasteur, needed to boost his ego. You get the same issue with radiation-sterilized food since people don't understand that something being exposed to radiation (to kill things on it) doesn't necessarily mean that it's a radiation source itself. But it says radiation in it, therefore bad! Outside of 24 hour access via automat, most of the people I've heard touting raw milk are people who use it for cheese making, who want to use existing cultures instead of adding whatever lactobacillus or streptococcus strain. Though I guess they end up cultivating wild-type precultures of whatever is most effective anyways.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Yeah. Also, because if you go to the effort of cooking raw milk at home you are essentialy pasteurizating anyway. Except that professional pasteurization is heating it evenly for an incredibly short time. If you are doing that at home in a pot, it takes longer to reach the even heat and will actually kill more nutrients. Pretty sure that the usual Milchkarton reads "pasteurisiert und ultrahocherhitzt" as if it were two different things though? also thanks to the mods for the new thread title 
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cant cook creole bream posted:I don't really drink milk. But it's essential for certain baking recipes. Pancakes with plant milk are unfortunately strictly interior. And I tried that a few times. Your reasoning is completely fine, please don't feel like you need to justify yourself based on some bad-faith post. 
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System Metternich posted:Pretty sure that the usual Milchkarton reads "pasteurisiert und ultrahocherhitzt" as if it were two different things though? Ultrahocherhitzen is what you are doing to turn delicious fresh milk into stale H-milk which wont rot for halt a year. Both terms are kinda stupid, because together they imply that pasteurization is some complicated science alchemy procedure to mess with mother nature. Duzzy Funlop posted:Your reasoning is completely fine, please don't feel like you need to justify yourself based on some bad-faith post. Fair point. I guess I should ignore the Berlin Ketamine-hipster. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Apr 11, 2020 |
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Ich grabe hart den neuen Faden-Titel, bei dem Weg.
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Zwille posted:A few years ago they introduced länger haltbare Milch which isn’t quite as bad as h-Milch but still worse than “fresh” (not raw, just what was sold before they introduced länger haltbare) milk and which is unfortunately the norm these days. But all that doesn’t matter because you can get pretty good Hafermilk these days (the dark blue Oatly which is stored in the fridge is my fave). Oatly is an overpriced hipster bullshit brand. Just buy the orgalnic oatmilk from Rossmann or DM. That way every 3rd pack is basically free compared to the Oatly stuff. Or actually go with soy milk, has less sugar.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Ich grabe hart den neuen Faden-Titel, bei dem Weg. :selbiges:
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For everybody missing out on Easter mass, I think this recording from 2018 will adequately compensate.
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Hopper posted:Oatly is an overpriced hipster bullshit brand. Just buy the orgalnic oatmilk from Rossmann or DM. That way every 3rd pack is basically free compared to the Oatly stuff. yeah this is good advice: never buy branded plant based milk like Oatly or even Alpro
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Your reasoning is completely fine, please don't feel like you need to justify yourself based on some bad-faith post. I don't think bad-faith means what you think it means op!
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Really like the asperger thread icon. Germany is basically culturally asperger
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GABA ghoul posted:Germany is basically culturally asperger This is the best description of Germany I have ever read
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GABA ghoul posted:Really like the asperger thread icon. Germany is basically culturally asperger It's culturally asparagus.
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cant cook creole bream posted:It's culturally asparagus. Asparagus 2020 is cancelled unless the suburban fatcats find a way to force refugees or unemployed people to work the fields after the Eastern borders are closed.
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oliwan posted:I don't think bad-faith means what you think it means op! 
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oliwan posted:yeah this is good advice: never buy branded plant based milk like Oatly or even Alpro My favorite Alpro scam is charging even more than usual for "Barista Soy Milk" a special soy milk to make foam for coffee. Guess what sheeple hipster latte drinkers, soy lecithin, a frothing agent used to make things like lemon foam etc. is named like that because it is extracted from soy beans. Regular soy milk has this stuff and froths up just fine. No need to pay extra.
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With how random the posts come out is it is indeed impossible to tell if it's ignorance or bad faith.  Heck, i'm almost morbidly curious enough to ask why milk is supposed to be bad now, but i'm sure it'll turn out to be some "if you drink it in 10x the 'in moderation' amount it has some obscure side effects".
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Corona is no longer interesting enough when the Germany thread once again decides to debate the most fundamental of all philosophical questions: Is cow milk only for kids? The answer is: goat milk
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Oh, I'm 100% in the camp of vegetarian/vegan nutrition being the way to go for a sustainable future, and I've been inching myself towards that lifestyle for a long while now. The was more directed at the thousandth time of someone that has definitely never argued in bad faith dropping yet another "Lol of you don't do x like I do"-post 
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System Metternich posted:https://twitter.com/kemmerichthl/status/1248932819377807360?s=21 Ow, mein brain. Jesus. These people.
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Goat cheese tastes like goats smell. Goat cheese and goat milk remind me of dirty stables, piss and goat poo poo. People who like goat cheese dont chill with real goats Heh
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Oh, I'm 100% in the camp of vegetarian/vegan nutrition being the way to go for a sustainable future, and I've been inching myself towards that lifestyle for a long while now. Same, and actively helping others do the same while *increasing* quality of life by helping them find tasty alternatives. I find that leads to a lot less money being sent to the meat industry than when people get get mocked for it and entrenched in their position.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:Goat cheese tastes like goats smell. Goat cheese and goat milk remind me of dirty stables, piss and goat poo poo. I'll have you know the Stralsund Zoo has a goat petting zoo inside it. 
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Everybody should eat and drink as they please, as long as they don't do something unhealthy. If they do, they should think long and hard and change their habits. That applies both to those eating meat 5 times a week and ruining their cholesterol levels etc. and those doing vegan wrong and having to take supplements as a result (which is basically fancy word for medication). I am also disappointed that people believe bogus poo poo they read because they can't be bothered to put a tiny bit of effort into knowing what they actually stuff into their bodies. Like the lovely claims that gluten-free and lactose-free is "healthier".
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Honj Steak posted:Corona is no longer interesting enough when the Germany thread once again decides to debate the most fundamental of all philosophical questions: Is cow milk only for kids? Yeah, Corona is over haven't you heard? Everyone is healthy and the churches are open again. Recently we had a day with more healed individuals than new sick ones. Obviously, this means that the doubling rate is infinity, so everything's fine now.
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Hopper posted:Everybody should eat and drink as they please, as long as they don't do something unhealthy. That's just priming the vegans for starting a "Is Leichenfleisch unhealthy?" derail you monster.
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Mithaldu posted:Heck, i'm almost morbidly curious enough to ask why milk is supposed to be bad now, but i'm sure it'll turn out to be some "if you drink it in 10x the 'in moderation' amount it has some obscure side effects". Milk (1,5%): 46 kcal/100ml Cola: 48 kcal/100 ml Might as well drink Coke, its at least just as healthy.
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Well, eating human is actively unhealthy, so that should hopefully nip that argument in the bud. Fake edit: Actually checking my sources, just like raw milk, human flesh seems to be fine, if you cook it first. Leave the brain though. Apparently, it's not worth it https://www.nationalgeographic.de/geschichte-und-kultur/2017/04/kannibalismus-studie-menschen-sind-nicht-sehr-nahrhaft
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It all comes down to personal responsibility, you have to carry your own risk of getting food poisoning but surely flaunting food safety standards isn't possibly ever gonna lead to anything really bad.
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Dark blue oatly is much better than plain oatly though to be honest I barely drink any milk anyway. It’s a level up from regular oatly, I’m pretty sure you’re mixing them up. And the brand stuff is much better than off brand, especially for foamed drinks. Also plant milk works totally ok for pancakes! Really.
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No more milk, weeed https://youtu.be/3MmuIT97n1Q
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