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Infinitum posted:The best. Thank you for posting Considering that Thor 2's halfhearted attempt as "seriousness" was ill-received and how successful Waititi's "nothing matters cause it's for kids" hack humor (married to his truly excellent grasp of character and thematic structure) was, I would be very doubtful we ever get anything close to this beyond what Feige's team mandates Waititi put in.
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I would disagree, the whole "Are you the God of Hammers?" bit in Ragnarok was more of a move towards this sort of thing.
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Apr 7, 2020 15:26
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Ragnarok got that Thor is best when he's an outright van art character.
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Apr 7, 2020 15:33
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LashLightning posted:I would disagree, the whole "Are you the God of Hammers?" bit in Ragnarok was more of a move towards this sort of thing. That whole scene is so good.
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Have Thor's granddaughters been featured in anything else? They're great, they need their own book.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Have Thor's granddaughters been featured in anything else? They're great, they need their own book. They'll likely be ruined as soon as someone else gets their hands on them.
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LashLightning posted:I would disagree, the whole "Are you the God of Hammers?" bit in Ragnarok was more of a move towards this sort of thing. It was good, definitely a showcase that Waititi has a grasp of strong emotional storytelling, but it's not a florid showcase of respect and genuine appreciation for Norse grandeur and mythology like those pages. Like, I'm not going to say this went over your head...but you're acting like this went over your head-- you did notice that a huge reason Ragnarok works thematically is the filmmaker's naked contempt for Colonialist pomposity right? The whole "Odin literally whitewashed the annals of Asgardian history to ignore the conquering and bloodshed" bit. Making fun of Odin's fake trophies. Destroying Mjolnir and the "God of Hammers" scene you mentioned. Having Asgard itself destroyed because "gently caress it the actual ground isn't worth saving" (on a literal and metatextual level). It's not subtle. It's kind-of the entire throughline that makes the movie work. That's why I don't think you could expect a moment like that in any Waititi-backed Thor project. He demonstrably doesn't like nor care about that side of the character and Disney is full-bodied in their support of that attitude, especially after Thor: The Dark World and the success of Guardians of the Galaxy. Push El Burrito posted:Ragnarok got that Thor is best when he's an outright van art character. It really did. I don't think such a scene as those pages couldn't be squared with the van rock side, but I don't think we'd ever get one with the current filmmakers. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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I don’t know, those pages are about Love and Thunder.
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if you want some authors who really venerate norse mythology, maybe try reading some nazis? I don't get how you're gonna blame the director for the details of a script written for the MCU, nor do I at all understand what you wanted out of that movie besides racism, because you've wheeled in this whole thing about it being anticolonialist as your reason for not liking it EDIT: alright, I get it, you're super mad LordSaturn fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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LordSaturn posted:if you want some authors who really venerate norse mythology, maybe try reading some nazis? well this just went in a fun new direction
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Rhyno posted:well this just went in a fun new direction LordSaturn posted:if you want some authors who really venerate norse mythology, maybe try reading some nazis? I don't get how you're gonna blame the director for the details of a script written for the MCU, nor do I at all understand what you wanted out of that movie besides racism, because you've wheeled in this whole thing about it being anticolonialist as your reason for not liking it 1. I don't like Ragnarok's humor, nor Waititi's humor, but I went far out of my way to pay the movie and filmmaker a genuine and sincere respect for what they do well because I do think Ragnarok is a good movie. If you've already glazed over because I didn't just write "I think Ragnarok is a good movie" then the problem is you. 2. It's not about Norse vs. Anti-Colonialist, it's about the fact that not all artists appreciate, are suited for, nor would elect to utilize various parts of their material. Tom Hooper was a bad choice to direct a whimsical fantasy movie like Cats because he elects to make all of his projects feel "real" and the final product reflects these choices, very arguably to the movie's detriment. Some have argued that Zack Snyder is ill-suited for mainstream DC projects because of his Randian appreciation and admitted history of coming at the genre as an adolescent who prefered Heavy Metal to conventional books, which is why his movies ended up feeling dour, depressing, and even alienating in all but their very best moments. If Quentin Tarantino ever does manage to get a Star Trek movie made, I 100% do not expect him to discuss treaty agreements between the Romulans and Klingons and 100% expect him to show an Orion Slave Girl's feet in close-up. Maybe you can find an artist whose sensibilities are so opposite to the material that you can shoot the moon and end up with a vicious satire, but it's only happened once in my lifetime with Starship Troopers and it arguably happens on a smaller scale with Ragnarok--where part of what works is Waititi's team explicitly trashing anything from the first two Thor movies that didn't work-- and a big part of what didn't work was a sincere fondness for Norse Saga "Here be our last stand let us walk with fire and blood in our mouth" stuff. 3. Don't act like screenplays are wholly divorced from the directors. Disney and Marvel Studios are the monolithic entertainment assembly line of the 21st Century, but even there I guarantee Waititi was in meetings and overseeing production at every stage. He didn't show up for pre-production, get handed a shooting script, and say "let's go." You know this. I know this. The point is I don't see Waititi and his team (you see, ever since auteur theory people often use the director's name as shorthand for the small army of people who make every production happen, including screenwriters) electing to choose a moment where Thor very sincerely proclaims his love for the storms and villagers very sincerely talk about them. It's just not his style, at all. He likes sarcasm and being too-cool-for-school. But hey I said "appreciation for Norse mythology" and your mind tl;dr-ed to "nazi" so I hope you get that baggage sorted. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Have Thor's granddaughters been featured in anything else? They're great, they need their own book. the monkey paw curls and cates will now use them in a 20 issue series with knull
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site posted:the monkey paw curls and cates will now use them in a 20 issue series with knull i'll never forgive you if this happens
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mind the walrus posted:Right? It’s weird how you typed so many words after this as if anyone would keep reading beyond it.
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mind the walrus posted:Like, I'm not going to say this went over your head...but you're acting like this went over your head-- you did notice that a huge reason Ragnarok works thematically is the filmmaker's naked contempt for Colonialist pomposity right? mind the walrus posted:Baby doll, you are so far off the point you don't even know, but just in good faith: Dial down the condescension by like 90%, for god's sake you cannot just roll in and call other posters "baby doll" because you think you're more correct than them.
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How Wonderful! posted:Dial down the condescension by like 90%, for god's sake you cannot just roll in and call other posters "baby doll" because you think you're more correct than them. LordSaturn posted:if you want some authors who really venerate norse mythology, maybe try reading some nazis? I don't get how you're gonna blame the director for the details of a script written for the MCU, nor do I at all understand what you wanted out of that movie besides racism, because you've wheeled in this whole thing about it being anticolonialist as your reason for not liking it is an extremely bad post though
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Lt. Danger posted:is an extremely bad post though mind the walrus is an extremely bad poster though
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ah, tricky
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Ariong posted:It’s weird how you typed so many words after this as if anyone would keep reading beyond it. Right after that he said he doesn’t like Taika’s humor. That’s where I stopped reading. I will not take lightly any insults about the guy who made Jojo Rabbit.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Right after that he said he doesn’t like Taika’s humor. That’s where I stopped reading. Admittedly I haven't seen JoJo Rabbit yet (between the criticism of the film that I have read and just having finished some very heavy reading about the Holocaust seeing the movie that the AV Club compared to Life is Beautiful didn't really appeal to me) but I would say What We Do in Shadows best exemplifies Taika's humour.
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site posted:the monkey paw curls and cates will now use them in a 20 issue series with knull As a Swede this sentence is hilarious and so wrong at the same time. If there was ever a Spawn/Guardians of the Galaxy crossover movie I'd be thrown out of the cinema for laughing uproariously whenever his name is mentioned.
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Madkal posted:Admittedly I haven't seen JoJo Rabbit yet (between the criticism of the film that I have read and just having finished some very heavy reading about the Holocaust seeing the movie that the AV Club compared to Life is Beautiful didn't really appeal to me) but I would say What We Do in Shadows best exemplifies Taika's humour. The movie is so consistently funny that it really earns your attention with the more emotional beats. It’s a really satisfying watch.
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Cooked Auto posted:As a Swede this sentence is hilarious and so wrong at the same time. Make him a communist, aka Comrade Knull, and I'll be right there with you laughing.
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Knull sucks so bad that his existence made Wraith reappear in Marvel comics.
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Knull's design kills me because it looks so much like the (as far as I know) universally maligned Dracula redesign from the mid-aughts. Who likes this fit, like, who's clamoring for more dudes that look like this? The only example I can think of of a character pulling it off is a relatively minor Final Fantasy badguy who at least has the excuse of being an MMO character so there's precedent for him being 60% pauldron by volume. Like, choose your loving fighter, or don't, please don't.    Edit: 
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Its true, the Emperor of Garlemald has a very dumb design. Especially his hat.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Its true, the Emperor of Garlemald has a very dumb design. Especially his hat. It's even better on his grandfather - same ridiculous armor on a tiny old man. 
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He has the huge fuckin' beard a dwarf would be proud of to accentuate it, though. Grandpa there actually looks intimidating. Varis does not.
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Just part of why Solus is the best of the Galvus dynasty.
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Great now I want a what we do in the shadows book but it's about a symbiote documentary instead of vampires.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Great now I want a what we do in the shadows book but it's about a symbiote documentary instead of vampires. Venom, Carnage, Riot, and Spider-Man all living in a house together.
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Push El Burrito posted:Venom, Carnage, Riot, and Spider-Man all living in a house together. Venom, Carnage, Riot, and Toxin all living in Spider-Man together.
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Push El Burrito posted:Venom, Carnage, Riot, and Spider-Man all living in a house together. 
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Verant posted:It's even better on his grandfather - same ridiculous armor on a tiny old man. He's got the body-width to pull it off, while the other guy looks thinner than one of his shoulderpads.
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The other guy is quite literally 9 feet tall and nearly as wide as two normal sized people. Garleans big.
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Test Pattern posted:Venom, Carnage, Riot, and Toxin all living in Spider-Man together. There's a cute kids comic where Venom and Spidey are room mates. Body dealing hijinks is the first arc.
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I for one want a story that truly grasps the grandiose seriousness of Norse mythology, perhaps by adapting the story where Thor dresses up as a hot woman for a fake marriage and beats up giants to get his hammer back or the story where Loki fucks a horse.
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Azubah posted:There's a cute kids comic where Venom and Spidey are room mates. Body dealing hijinks is the first arc. For anyone who cares, it was a small webcomic published on Live Journal (a million years ago) called Loli Loves Venom (yes, that was its name, but it was wholesome) and it was the creation of now industry veteran Joana Lafuente (amazing colorist, and artist). Can only be found in Web Archive these days.  Obviously, amateurish by professional standards, but it was a cute thing from way back when people made webcomics for fun. Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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Catfishenfuego posted:I for one want a story that truly grasps the grandiose seriousness of Norse mythology, perhaps by adapting the story where Thor dresses up as a hot woman for a fake marriage and beats up giants to get his hammer back or the story where Loki fucks a horse. Dark Horse is supposed to be putting out a comic version of Gaiman's Norse Mythology book which has those stories in it.
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muscles like this! posted:Dark Horse is supposed to be putting out a comic version of Gaiman's Norse Mythology book which has those stories in it. The Danish Valhalla comic also gets into those (judging by the wikipedia article about it, since I've never read a one of 'em), as well as Thor and Loki at Utgard-Loki's castle, which is probably my favorite Thor tale I've heard so far. That's the one where giants troll Thor into drinking the sea and lifting Jormungandr, but poo poo their pants when he almost sort of does it Spoilering because while yes it's an ancient myth, but it's fun if you're hearing it for the first time
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