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HJB posted:Starmer responds to the day's events: you can tell its an old quote cause nowadays he isnt into a strong opposition
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I have a little non-story about Diane Abbot. Few years back I was at an antifascist demo in Dover that got really, really violent. One of the worst I've ever seen - and everybody knew it was going to get violent because it had been building momentum for weeks. The filth were proactively stopping coachloads of demonstrators on the motorways to prevent them getting to Dover, and in one incident a coachload of fash pulled into the same service station that a coachload of antifa were at, resulting in one wrecked coach with a swastika daubed on it in blood. The fash had also been goading Diane Abbot online, telling her to come to Dover if she thought so strongly about it. And... she did. We saw her there first thing in the morning, with a camera crew. She got up on a little improvised stage at Market Square and gave a speech that I couldn't hear. I don't know how long she stayed, and me and my mates were too busy smirking anachistcally at each other to think much of it at the time. But at a distance of 4 years I have to think to myself: at least she loving turned up. How many other major politicians will you see putting themselves in that sort of situation, where at best they're going to be associated with a mass brawl, and at worst are going to get hurt themselves because the fash have specifically been targeting them. fake edit: it was this demo, btw
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Apr 12, 2020 23:46
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She might not have been able to resist the curse of the home secretary in the long term but I still can't imagine anyone I'd rather have in the office tbh.
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Apr 12, 2020 23:51
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mfcrocker posted:Sure, well assuming this is in good faith you might want to watch your wording in the future because that post was horrible. That post was Good, Actually.
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Apr 12, 2020 23:53
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it was a good post cos you could see the exact point at which it became a bad post
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Apr 13, 2020 00:01
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Ash Crimson posted:I cannot, in good faith, look at the labour party and believe it's ever going to be a vehicle for leftish politics. This is the stupidest loving take imaginable and forums user Ash Crimson is a larpy piece of poo poo.
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Apr 13, 2020 00:19
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HJB posted:Starmer responds to the day's events: Yeah the expectation some folks on social media seem to have of Starmer actually having any sort of response to this, other than the equivalent of "The truth lies in the middle" non-committal wankery is mind-boggling. The bloke demonstrably has no strong feelings on anything other than his haircut and dismissing celebrity noncery. This is a pipebomb but as has been shown culpable parties are already hard at work scrubbing social media and trying to downplay this. They'll do their damnedest to bury this and if MSM bothers to pick up on it, it'll only be to show the opposition as a bunch of conniving, backstabbing twats compared to the current government who are all super good and handling this crisis well and the Lord and Saviour Boris has returned! Praise be! (Also hello been lurking here since slightly before the Manchester Arena bombing - remember staying up to read this thread that night as it had rolling updates plus some appreciated efforts to comfort others/lighten the mood. You're all good eggs and have been an invaluable source of reliable information and entertaining bants so thanks for that).
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Apr 13, 2020 00:23
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can someone get alastair campbell to not favorably compare jacinda ardern's handling of covid-19 to his and blair's 'crisis management' of the afghan, and iraq war, ta
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Apr 13, 2020 00:26
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I left the labour party. gently caress politics
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Apr 13, 2020 00:27
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I don't think anyone can get alistair campbell to stop posting about the iraq war, no.
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DeadButDelicious posted:Yeah the expectation some folks on social media seem to have of Starmer actually having any sort of response to this, other than the equivalent of "The truth lies in the middle" non-committal wankery is mind-boggling. The bloke demonstrably has no strong feelings on anything other than his haircut and dismissing celebrity noncery. This is a pipebomb but as has been shown culpable parties are already hard at work scrubbing social media and trying to downplay this. They'll do their damnedest to bury this and if MSM bothers to pick up on it, it'll only be to show the opposition as a bunch of conniving, backstabbing twats compared to the current government who are all super good and handling this crisis well and the Lord and Saviour Boris has returned! Praise be! I just want to see where he lands between "gently caress the party establishment" and "gently caress the membership" personally. In all likelihood he's going to say "gently caress the membership", but how he chooses to say it will be the important bit. Hopefully in the most centrist way possible, because it's going to loving solidify an already further hardened left off the back of today.
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Namtab posted:I left the labour party. gently caress politics Cool I'm sure the neoliberal ghouls trying to steal Labour will appreciate your non-involvement.
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Apr 13, 2020 00:31
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Vitamin P posted:Cool I'm sure the neoliberal ghouls trying to steal Labour will appreciate your non-involvement. What a great idea you have, i should totally keep funelling my money to the people who at best see my political views as an inconvenience and at worst as a problem to be solved. Im sure my presence in the party was the one thing that could have saved it.
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I don't owe the labour party anything, especially not my forgiveness.
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Apr 13, 2020 00:38
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I just want to see where he lands between "gently caress the party establishment" and "gently caress the membership" personally. In all likelihood he's going to say "gently caress the membership", but how he chooses to say it will be the important bit. Hopefully in the most centrist way possible, because it's going to loving solidify an already further hardened left off the back of today. I agree with you, he'll probably lean towards the safer option of "gently caress the membership" but try to employ as much damage control as he can. I reckon he might try to use it as a come-to-jesus moment to try and create unity but in my opinion he doesn't have the speaking chops to pull it off and it would backfire horribly. I just hope that some high-profile Labour MPs remain increasingly vocal and pissed off about it, so those of us who are also vocal and/or pissed off about this have a figure to rally around. Otherwise it will get buried and then back to business as usual.
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Apr 13, 2020 00:39
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DeadButDelicious posted:I agree with you, he'll probably lean towards the safer option of "gently caress the membership" but try to employ as much damage control as he can. I reckon he might try to use it as a come-to-jesus moment to try and create unity but in my opinion he doesn't have the speaking chops to pull it off and it would backfire horribly. I just hope that some high-profile Labour MPs remain increasingly vocal and pissed off about it, so those of us who are also vocal and/or pissed off about this have a figure to rally around. Otherwise it will get buried and then back to business as usual. Personally I hope he stays quiet as gently caress about it for a few days because i've got enough material to deal with in that massive bastard report for the podcast and don't need any more work do you hear me keir???? 
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Apr 13, 2020 00:42
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loving hell this is going to define people's attitudes to the labour party for years to come, depending on what starmer does https://twitter.com/mfinnthepoet/status/1249476494985957376
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Apr 13, 2020 00:43
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Personally I hope he stays quiet as gently caress about it for a few days because i've got enough material to deal with in that massive bastard report for the podcast and don't need any more work do you hear me keir???? Don't worry mate I'm pretty sure anything he says will be masked by a cavalcade of BOJO'S BACK!!!! articles and interviews- Actually that'd make it the perfect time for him to respond because then he can shovel cold porridge in everyone's mouth and nobody will notice. Suppose he could just hide under a pile of coats until it's all over. Keep an eye out for conspicuous grey quiffs poking out from behind hedges or cars for the time being.  E: Got the upcoming week of work (lol for all the good that is right now) so I'll dip in to some podcasts when I find the time.
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Apr 13, 2020 00:46
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Option 1: Stay in the Labour Party even if it’s moving in a bad direction, in order to have some influence over the most left-wing party with any chance of being elected in this country. Option 2: Leave the Labour Party, lose all influence over it, on the plus side, feel smug about it or something? We all complain about how poo poo Scottish Labour is. Why is it so poo poo? Because all of Scotland’s leftists are invested in independence instead, and so support the neoliberal SNP (either directly or indirectly). So there are only melts left in ScotLab, and so it is poo poo.
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J_RBG posted:loving hell this is going to define people's attitudes to the labour party for years to come, depending on what starmer does I have no words for this. What a bunch of absolute monsters.
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Apr 13, 2020 00:49
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Domestic violence help for people isolated at home: (It says women, so not sure if men or trans can also use it?) 
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Apr 13, 2020 00:49
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Domestic violence help for people isolated at home: Trans women are women mate, not a specific other gender
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Apr 13, 2020 00:51
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mfcrocker posted:Trans women are women mate, not a specific other gender They are, but not every domestic violence support service in the UK agrees.
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Namtab posted:What a great idea you have, i should totally keep funelling my money to the people who at best see my political views as an inconvenience and at worst as a problem to be solved. Im sure my presence in the party was the one thing that could have saved it. Starmer and his weak evil cronies aren't the Labour Party, they currently control the leadership position is all. The Labour Party is better than them and it's bigger than them. Who loving cares if those cunts see you as an inconvenience or a problem to be solved, and by the way it's far nastier than that they do actively see you as an enemy they loving hate you, if you stay a member then they're locked in a room with you and you have some means to give them a bloody nose and you should take it. Give the party to these evil right wing cunts if you want, that's what they would like they'd love every lefty to leave the party yesterday, but I think you'll have more fun and certainly be more useful by not doing what they want you to do. Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Darth Walrus posted:They are, but not every domestic violence support service in the UK agrees. There are very, very few DV services that don't accept trans women
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mfcrocker posted:Trans women are women mate, not a specific other gender Well I know but if being trans is part of the domestic violence issue, not sure how the help lines will take it. It may or may not be relevant to the situation. FWIW I was in two minds whether to include 'trans' in my original post for that very reason.
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I don't give a gently caress about what Starmer says about any of this tbh, he isn't my leader and I don't respect his opinion. I didn't become a socialist to bend the knee to a top-down bureaucracy and I'll be damned if I'm going to start doing it now. I don't expect this report to gain much traction amongst the media, but I do expect it to reach the people it needs to- namely, the membership, activists and the staffers and MP's sympathetic to us still in the party. This might not be deemed a newsworthy item by the establishment media, but now that the whistle's been blown it sure as gently caress isn't going to go away any time soon. The details of this document are going to cast a shadow over the Labour Party for a long time, and it's our job now to retain this info and wield it like the weapon it is. Lots of people itt and on twitter have been clamouring for some red meat for the base for a long time- here it is. It might have arrived too late to save us, but this is an invaluable tool that we can potentially weaponize and learn from for years to come. What we learnt from the last election was the true extent to which the media would close ranks to protect the establishment, and now we know the same about our internal enemies too. For better or worse, everything's out in the open now- the mask is fully off. We've seen our enemy's faces, we understand the extent of their structural power and we now have their entire playbook at our disposal. This is the perfect opportunity to regroup, restrategize and plan our next move, and with a melt leader and no imminent election in sight we don't need to worry about wrecking and waging war on these fucks who ruined us. Let's get revenge on these bastards and make them rue their actions for the rest of their days, there's no reason to play nice with Labour HQ anymore.
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Vitamin P posted:Starmer and his weak evil cronies aren't the Labour Party, they currently control the leadership position is all. Its ok i'll have more fun with the money i don't spend supporting it
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pablo gbscobar posted:I don't give a gently caress about what Starmer says about any of this tbh, he isn't my leader and I don't respect his opinion. I didn't become a socialist to bend the knee to a top-down bureaucracy and I'll be damned if I'm going to start doing it now. And in return, support, if you can, the MPs who take up the cause.
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pablo gbscobar posted:I don't give a gently caress about what Starmer says about any of this tbh, he isn't my leader and I don't respect his opinion. I didn't become a socialist to bend the knee to a top-down bureaucracy and I'll be damned if I'm going to start doing it now. Thanks for the first decent post in hours that actually might get people to stay in the party
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Apr 13, 2020 00:59
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Vitamin P posted:Starmer and his weak evil cronies aren't the Labour Party, they currently control the leadership position is all. Yeah vitamin p is right, they only control the leadership position. Well, that and the PLP. Well, the leadership position and the PLP and most of the party machinery. But apart from those 3 things, you've got em on the ropes! Keep pushing, you'll achieve tony benn's outer haven yet
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mfcrocker posted:Thanks for the first decent post in hours that actually might get people to stay in the party I mostly lurk this thread but you guys have played a major role in radicalizing me and shaping my views towards electoral politics over the years and it sucks to see so many of you down like this. I know a lot of us have been down & out since December but if there was ever a time to recapture some of that insurgent flame that carried us through the Corbyn years, this is it. For better or worse this is the inciting event for the next chapter of the British Left, so let's make the most of it.
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pablo gbscobar posted:I don't give a gently caress about what Starmer says about any of this tbh, he isn't my leader and I don't respect his opinion. I didn't become a socialist to bend the knee to a top-down bureaucracy and I'll be damned if I'm going to start doing it now. A very good post. E: ^ if anything, beating these cunts over the head with their own receipts out of pure spite is at least cathartic
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I'm posting these because we're entering the 4th week of lockdown and things might be getting particularly fraught if you're in close quarters. 3rd/4th week of lockdown during the revolution was when we started really hearing lots of yelling and shouting coming from the various blocks of flats in the neighbourhood. Male Victims of Domestic Abuse – For Confidential Help, Please Call 01823 334244 UK: 080 8808 8141 (Action on Elder Abuse). LGBT+ Domestic Abuse hotline: T: 0800 999 5428 E: help@galop.org.uk The freephone, 24-hour National Domestic Abuse Helpline 0808 2000 247 Online help: https://www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/Contact-us Also if immediate danger: 999 and then press 55 for silent solution if you can't talk. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Apr 13, 2020 01:17
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I've never been so grateful I live alone
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Apr 13, 2020 01:26
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Chuka Umana posted:I've never been so grateful I live alone Me too! Thanks to the wonders of social media I get plenty of social interaction when I want to! Though I would like a cat, but banned in my lease.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Me too! Yes these times make me regret not getting a dog when I had the chance. On the subject of the Labour Party, I think the left really has a problem in that they're way too nice to the opposition. Corbyn and Bernie both had the same problem, they are just way too pleasant and kind people to be able to do the political ruthlessness, attacks and purging (in Corbyn's case) necessary to get a hold on political power.
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https://twitter.com/IanByrneMP/status/1249487520280313859?s=20 Should try and keep a list of all the MPs tweeting in support of the members over the McNicol Gang.
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The problem with ruthlessness is that people only like it when they're already disposed to agree with it. It's polarizing, and the press means you need some way of getting people to side with your aggression rather than take it as an attack on them, because there is a massive industry devoted to making sure leftist hostility is perceived as an attack on people rather than power.
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Another good egg among the current PLP: https://twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1249081834601877505?s=19
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