Rockit posted:

https://twitter.com/nathansnewman/status/1249359866558328833
Eh...are you sure about that result m8?

I said come in! posted:

NYT has always been trash but big loving yikes. NYT has since deleted the tweet without acknowledging it or apologizing.


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Just a reminder that Joe Biden at one point asked that we all, without compromise, believe all women that come forward with sexual assault / rape allegations. Biden is a rapist and he needs to publicly address this.

joepinetree posted:

I think that the deals were:

- Pete gets hosting Jimmy Kimmel live

Rockit posted:

https://twitter.com/WaywardWinifred/status/1249482415187378183
If this happened this sounds better than i expected at least with the NYT article.

Ague Proof posted:

Rockit posted:

https://twitter.com/nathansnewman/status/1249359866558328833
Eh...are you sure about that result m8?

Marxalot posted:

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of Totally DSA Members who are real loving mad about this. It's great. Getting a lot of mileage out of "Actually, not voting for Trump is a Vote for Biden" rn.

Marxalot posted:

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of Totally DSA Members who are real loving mad about this. It's great. Getting a lot of mileage out of "Actually, not voting for Trump is a Vote for Biden" rn.



e: update - I am now being cancelled by a human thumb on twitter for "toxic absolutism"


I'm rating you 7/5 pinnochios

https://twitter.com/Chinchillazllla/status/1249380228398493696?s=20

Timeless Appeal posted:

Joe Biden is a rapist and gently caress 'em. But ya'll are being obtuse with the NYT tweet. Being a creep who hugs people too much and greets people with kisses isn't the same thing as violently fingering them. It doesn't make the former behavior okay or right, but you understand what they're saying. You're turning a low tier George Carlin level dunk on imprecise language into a conspiracy theory.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Joe Biden is a rapist and gently caress 'em. But ya'll are being obtuse with the NYT tweet. Being a creep who hugs people too much and greets people with kisses isn't the same thing as violently fingering them. It doesn't make the former behavior okay or right, but you understand what they're saying. You're turning a low tier George Carlin level dunk on imprecise language into a conspiracy theory.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Joe Biden is a rapist and gently caress 'em. But ya'll are being obtuse with the NYT tweet. Being a creep who hugs people too much and greets people with kisses isn't the same thing as violently fingering them. It doesn't make the former behavior okay or right, but you understand what they're saying. You're turning a low tier George Carlin level dunk on imprecise language into a conspiracy theory.

Ytlaya posted:

It literally directly implies that unwanted kissing is not "sexual misconduct."

Timeless Appeal posted:

Joe Biden is a rapist and gently caress 'em. But ya'll are being obtuse with the NYT tweet. Being a creep who hugs people too much and greets people with kisses isn't the same thing as violently fingering them. It doesn't make the former behavior okay or right, but you understand what they're saying. You're turning a low tier George Carlin level dunk on imprecise language into a conspiracy theory.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Joe Biden is a rapist and gently caress 'em. But ya'll are being obtuse with the NYT tweet.

Ytlaya posted:

It literally directly implies that unwanted kissing is not "sexual misconduct."

Timeless Appeal posted:

It doesn't. Someone saying "I never did drugs beyond weed" isn't saying they never did drugs. it's implying a difference in magnitude not categorization.

Marxalot posted:

If someone is willing to do this poo poo on national TV, it's really not much of a leap of faith to believe that they'd be down to do Actual Rape behind closed doors. Also none of this is a misunderstood greeting.

https://twitter.com/alx/status/1249392020784906244?s=20





Can we as a country at least strive to nominate someone for president who isn't a Jeffery Epstein Frequent Flyer? Holy poo poo.

life is a joke posted:

It's April and Biden is being dunked on for being a senile rapist, and he is really bad at defending himself. Trump is on TV every day for pandemic stuff, Biden does lovely TV spots now and then... how can anybody deny that this is a trainwreck? The bidenbros already sound like desperate losers and he just clinched it a few days ago lol

life is a joke posted:

It's April and Biden is being dunked on for being a senile rapist, and he is really bad at defending himself. Trump is on TV every day for pandemic stuff, Biden does lovely TV spots now and then... how can anybody deny that this is a trainwreck? The bidenbros already sound like desperate losers and he just clinched it a few days ago lol

I said come in! posted:

How embarrassing for the NYT right now. I imagine they are going to be just deleting that article outright here soon.

Timeless Appeal posted:

It doesn't. Someone saying "I never did drugs beyond weed" isn't saying they never did drugs. it's implying a difference in magnitude not categorization.

Rockit posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...85b5_story.html
...And here's the Post article on it.

Apparently Biden's records are in a university. You think the New York times actually looked over there?

joepinetree posted:

I don't think it was so much paying back as much as it was realizing that, even after SC, Bernie was still the favorite for a plurality and that Biden had no path towards an outright majority.

Absent coordination, the rational thing for Klob and Pete to have done was to keep getting delegates to make deals at a brokered convention. Because even with an SC bump Biden still would have come out of ST in 2nd place in delegates and no path towards an outright majority. It makes even less sense given the specific sequence. Why would Klobuchar drop out immediately after Pete, ahead of her home state, and then agree to endorse alongside Pete?

Hell, one of the very few stories that was published between Pete's announcement at night of the 1st and Klob's announcement on morning of the 2nd mentioned how good the news was for Klob and had a "Klobmentum part 2" subheading

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/03/01/pete-buttigieg-exit-democratic-primary-amy-klobuchar-joe-biden/4926426002/


I think that the deals were:
- Klob gets VP
- Pete gets cabinet position or prestigious ambassadorship, and in the meantime they use their connections to make sure he gets a national profile. I have no doubt that things like hosting Jimmy Kimmel live were part of the deal.

bird with big dick posted:

When’s the last time five candidates went all the way to the convention

Marxalot posted:

If someone is willing to do this poo poo on national TV, it's really not much of a leap of faith to believe that they'd be down to do Actual Rape behind closed doors. Also none of this is a misunderstood greeting.

https://twitter.com/alx/status/1249392020784906244?s=20





Can we as a country at least strive to nominate someone for president who isn't a Jeffery Epstein Frequent Flyer? Holy poo poo.

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A California woman who last year said Joe Biden touched her neck and shoulders when she worked in his Senate office in 1993 is now accusing him of sexually assaulting her that year in a semiprivate area of the Capitol complex, an allegation the Biden campaign strongly denies.

The Washington Post has been examining Tara Reade’s allegation over the past three weeks, since she said on a podcast that Biden had pinned her against a wall, reached under her skirt and pushed his fingers inside her. At the time, she was a 29-year-old staff assistant.

The Post has interviewed Reade on multiple occasions — both this year and last — as well as people she says she told of the assault claim and more than a half-dozen former staffers of Biden’s Senate office.

In interviews with The Post last year, Reade said that Biden had touched her neck and shoulders but did not mention the alleged assault or suggest there was more to the story. She faulted his staff, calling Biden “a male of his time, a very powerful senator, and he had people around saying it was okay.”

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Tara Reade, of California, said last year that Biden touched her neck and shoulders when she worked in his Senate office in 1993. She is now accusing him of sexually assaulting her that year in a semiprivate area of the Capitol complex.
Tara Reade, of California, said last year that Biden touched her neck and shoulders when she worked in his Senate office in 1993. She is now accusing him of sexually assaulting her that year in a semiprivate area of the Capitol complex. (Family Photo)
She acknowledged in more recent interviews that she twice voted for the Obama-Biden ticket, saying she strongly supported their political positions. Since January, Reade has been a vocal supporter of Biden’s former rival Bernie Sanders. She said political considerations played no role in her decision to raise the sexual assault allegation.

President Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. and his campaign manager, Brad Parscale, sought to inject Reade’s allegation into the presidential campaign on Saturday by accusing the media on Twitter of not covering it. After the New York Times published a story about Reade’s account Sunday morning, social media lit up as partisans either rushed to equate it to widely publicized claims against other powerful men or to point out ways in which hers is different.

The former vice president has been accused of unwanted hugging and other physical contact, but The Post found no other allegations against him as serious as Reade’s. More than a dozen women, by contrast, have accused Trump of forced kissing, groping or sexual assault, and he has been recorded on audio boasting about grabbing women between their legs.

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On Thursday, Reade filed a complaint with D.C. police. She told The Post she did so because she is being harassed online and wanted law enforcement to be aware of her claim. A public record of the complaint does not name Biden but says Reade “disclosed that she believes she was the victim of a sexual assault” in 1993.

Reade told The Post she gave police a long interview describing the alleged assault by Biden. The portion of the police report detailing her allegation is not public. Filing a false report is a crime punishable by up to 30 days in jail.

Reade, now 56, said in recent interviews that she was afraid to report the assault or talk about it publicly last year, when she accused Biden of unwanted touching in online posts and media interviews. In those accounts, she said she complained to supervisors about the alleged neck and shoulder contact and a request from a supervisor that she serve drinks at a reception. She said the supervisors later ostracized her and told her to look for another job.

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“I didn’t have the courage to come forward” about the assault, Reade said. “I couldn’t get the words out. . . . As time has progressed, I felt stronger about speaking my truth. I realized I had to do this.”

Reade said she described the alleged assault soon after it happened to her mother, who died in 2016, and to a friend, a former intern for another lawmaker. In an interview, the friend corroborated Reade’s account of their conversation but declined to be named in this report.

In another recent interview, Reade’s brother, Collin Moulton, said she told him in 1993 that Biden had behaved inappropriately by touching her neck and shoulders. Their mother urged Reade to contact the police, Moulton said, adding that he felt “ashamed now for not being a better advocate” for his sister. Several days after that interview, he said in a text message that he recalled her telling him that Biden had put his hand “under her clothes.”

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Reade said she told a therapist earlier this year about the alleged assault. The Post asked Reade for the therapist’s notes of that conversation, but she has not produced them.

Biden’s presidential campaign called Reade’s accusations false. “Vice President Biden has dedicated his public life to changing the culture and the laws around violence against women,” said Kate Bedingfield, Biden’s deputy campaign manager and communications director. “He authored and fought for the passage and reauthorization of the landmark Violence Against Women Act. He firmly believes that women have a right to be heard — and heard respectfully. Such claims should also be diligently reviewed by an independent press. What is clear about this claim: It is untrue. This absolutely did not happen.”

The campaign also released a statement attributed to Marianne Baker, who was an executive assistant in the office and one of the supervisors to whom Reade says she made a harassment complaint.

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“In all my years working for Sen. Biden, I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct, period — not from Ms. Reade, not from anyone,” Baker said. “I have absolutely no knowledge or memory of Ms. Reade’s accounting of events, which would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager. These clearly false allegations are in complete contradiction to both the inner workings of our Senate office and to the man I know and worked so closely with for almost two decades.”

Baker did not respond to messages seeking comment.

Reade worked for Biden’s office from December 1992 to early August 1993, according to Senate records. She said that in addition to Baker, she complained about feeling uncomfortable — but not the alleged assault — to two other supervisors in the Senate office: Dennis Toner, deputy chief of staff; and Ted Kaufman, chief of staff.

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“I would remember something like this if it ever came up,” Toner, a Delaware-based consultant, told The Post in an interview. “I think it’s an outrageous accusation that’s totally untrue.”

Kaufman said: “It never came up. And I sure would have remembered if it did.” Kaufman has no formal role on the campaign but remains a close confidant.

Reade initially oversaw a group of interns. Two recalled that Reade abruptly stopped overseeing them in April — just a few weeks after the interns arrived — but neither was aware of the circumstances that led to her departure. Reade stopped working in the office several months later.

The 2020 presidential campaign will be the first since the #MeToo movement in late 2017 began inspiring women to share stories of abuse by powerful men.

Near the end of the 2016 campaign, The Post uncovered a 2005 videotape in which Trump bragged that because of his fame he could grab women between the legs, comments he dismissed later as “locker-room banter.” In the days after that audio was published, about a dozen women accused him of sexual misconduct going back decades. Their stories ranged from Trump groping their breasts and buttocks to him kissing them without consent on the lips. Trump called the women liars. More recently, he has denied a New York writer’s allegation that he sexually assaulted her in a department store dressing room more than two decades ago.

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Last spring, as Biden was preparing to formally enter the presidential race, about a half dozen women came forward with stories of unwanted touching or displays of affection. None alleged sexual assault.

Among them was Lucy Flores, who said that in 2014 the then-vice president touched and kissed the back of her head during her campaign for Nevada’s lieutenant governor.

Biden pledged to be “more respectful of people’s personal space.” But he joked about the criticism two days later, and he has remained physically affectionate during campaign events, where some supporters ask for hugs.

Flores’s story inspired Reade to offer her own account to her local newspaper, the Union, in Nevada County, Calif, Reade said. The details in that article matched the narrative Reade gave The Post the next day in a telephone interview.

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She said in that interview, on April 4, 2019, that on at least three occasions Biden put his hands on her shoulders and the base of her neck. She also said she walked in on an argument between two staffers, in which one suggested that Reade was being asked to serve drinks at a reception because Biden thought she was pretty and liked her legs.

She said the supervisors she later complained to dismissed her concerns, told her to wear less provocative clothing and took away responsibilities before finally asking her to resign.

In The Post interview last year, she laid more blame with Biden's staff for “bullying” her than with Biden.

“This is what I want to emphasize: It’s not him. It’s the people around him who keep covering for him,” Reade said, adding later, “For instance, he should have known what was happening to me. . . . Looking back now, that’s my criticism. Maybe he could have been a little more in touch with his own staff.”

The Post last year published other accusations of unwanted touching by Biden but not Reade’s. A friend that she said she had told of the harassment did not respond last year to requests for comment. That friend — the same one who in recent days confirmed that Reade told her of the alleged assault — said she had no memory of receiving calls from The Post.

After Reade went public with her account of harassment, she faced a backlash on social media. Her effusive praise for Russian President Vladimir Putin — she described him in a Medium post in December 2018 as a “compassionate, caring, visionary leader” — led to attacks that she was seeking to advance Russian interests.

Reade told The Post she had gained admiration for Putin while doing research on Russia for a novel. She said she took down the Putin-related posts because of the attacks.

Throughout the rest of 2019, she tweeted dozens of times at several Democratic contenders and at least once at Trump, saying that Biden sexually harassed her when she worked in his Senate office years earlier.

“I don’t have an agenda other than I just wanted my story told,” said Reade, who has a law degree and was working part time assisting families with special-needs children when the coronavirus pandemic hit.

On Saturday, she retweeted Trump’s son’s admonishment of the news media with a comment: “Please Republicans do not use my assault for political gain. Help me pressure @cnn, @nbc, @wapo, @newyorker to question Joe Biden. Thank you”

Reade’s allegations gained traction among some supporters of Sanders, who quit the race last week amid mounting pressure as Biden swept most primary voting states. Reade said she only recently backed Sanders and previously leaned toward some of his Democratic rivals. She gave $5 through the ActBlue fundraising website to then-candidate Marianne Williamson in August 2019, public records show.

But since January, Reade has repeatedly plugged Sanders’s campaign while criticizing Biden on social media. A March 5 tweet called Biden “a misogynist pred” while touting a ticket led by Sanders with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) as his running mate. “Tell Bernie to stay in! voters deserve to hear my silenced history w Biden,” Reade said on Twitter on March 22.

Two days later, the Intercept posted an article describing the alleged harassment and Reade’s appeals for help in January from the Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund, a project of the National Women’s Law Center that offers sexual harassment victims financial support and referrals to lawyers and public relations professionals. The Intercept story did not mention her assault allegations.

In a statement, a spokeswoman for the fund said it does not offer financial assistance in every case. Uma Iyer, vice president for communications with the law center, said the group’s nonprofit status prohibits it from underwriting cases involving allegations against political candidates.

“In Ms. Reade’s situation our determination was based on the fact that her allegations were against a presidential candidate in an election year and primary season,” Iyer said. The group’s nonprofit designation, Iyer said, “mandates a strict and absolute prohibition on participating in electioneering or political activity, and we could not fund a public relations effort around these allegations without significant risk of running afoul of these strict legal rules.”

The day after the Intercept article posted, another media outlet, a podcast co-hosted by Sanders supporter Katie Halper, released an interview in which Reade described the alleged assault.

In the recent interviews with The Post, Reade said she could not remember exactly where in the Capitol complex she was when she met Biden to deliver a gym bag to him. She was wearing a skirt and no stockings because it was a warm day in April or May, she said.

“He put me up against the wall and took the bag,” she said. “He reached up underneath my skirt. . . . I remember two fingers. . . . It was such a nightmare.”

She said he asked, “Do you want to go somewhere else?” She said that when she pulled away, he said, “Come on, man, I thought you liked me,” then told her that she meant “nothing” before finally grabbing her shoulders and saying, “You’re okay.”

The friend who Reade said she told about the incident at the time had interned on Capitol Hill and was in college in Virginia at the time of the alleged assault.

“I still remember that she handed off the gym bag and then she was pinned up against the wall,” Reade’s friend said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because she feared online harassment and professional consequences. “His hands went under her skirt. . . . He pushed his fingers into her, not at her invitation. Not at her request. She was confused about why he thought it was okay to do that.”

Reade’s younger brother, Moulton, said she had told him parts of her experience with Biden but not the alleged sexual assault.

“I heard that there was a gym bag incident . . . and that he was inappropriate,” Moulton said. “I remember her telling me he said she was nothing to him.”

A few days after that interview, Moulton sent the text saying he wanted to clarify his remarks. He wrote that he recalled Reade telling him in the early 1990s that Biden had cornered her and put his hands under her clothes.

Another friend of Reade’s said that in 2006 or 2007 Reade told her Biden had touched her arm and behaved inappropriately. She had no other details, she said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of concern she might face online attacks.

Reade said that in 1993 she filed a complaint with a congressional human resources or personnel office but did not remember the exact name. Her complaint dealt only with the alleged harassment, not the assault, she said.

The Post could find no record of the complaint, and Reade said she never received a copy. The Senate Office of Fair Employment Practices, which fielded complaints starting in 1992, was replaced under a 1995 law and is now called the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights.

Biden staffers who might have been alerted to such a complaint said they do not recall hearing of one, and Biden’s official Senate papers were donated to the University of Delaware but remain sealed from the public.

In interviews with a half-dozen former Biden staffers who overlapped with Reade, many were hesitant to cast doubt on an individual woman’s account but said Reade’s story did not match their experience in a tightknit office with high-ranking female staffers.

None of those reached by The Post recalled witnessing Biden putting his hands on Reade or the request that she serve drinks.

“There was never anything like that that was ever a part of the culture of working on the Hill at that time for Biden,” said Melissa Lefko, who worked as a staff assistant in 1993. “There were plenty of other senators I could point in your direction as known for their sexual predatory behavior of female staffers. Biden was never, ever one of those senators. Never. Never.”

In Medium posts in January and one in April 2019, Reade said no one on Capitol Hill would hire her after she complained about Biden’s behavior and the request that she serve drinks. In late 2018, she wrote that she left Washington to pursue an acting and artistic career, turned off by what she called the U.S. government’s “xenophobia” toward Russia. In a 2009 essay that noted Biden’s work on the Violence Against Women Act, she discussed moving from Washington to the Midwest to be with a boyfriend.

She occasionally has tweeted positively about Biden, saying in 2017, “My old boss speaks truth. Listen” with a link to a BBC story about Biden calling for the tech industry to help fight cancer.

Reade told The Post in a recent interview that she tweeted support of him because she admired some things about Biden despite the alleged assault. “Here’s the person I admire, who stands for all I believe in,” she said. “At the same time, that’s what happened to me personally.”

Peter Hermann and David Weigel contributed to this report.

gandlethorpe posted:

How long did it take Obama to endorse Hil when she became "presumptive"? Is it right to think that his silence on Biden suggests that he's scared it could all go to poo poo and he doesn't want to look bad?