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"No other President has been able to make the supply of oil go down while making the price go up as much as your favorite president (me!)" This is being touted, out loud, as a success. The loving price of gas going up during 20+% unemployment and a worldwide pandemic. Anyone still supporting this loving loon should be Baker Acted as a danger to themselves and others.
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Is there any indication other than Trump's word that the deal really happened this time? Cuz I'm having major deja vu over him tweeting the same thing a week ago and then Putin saying it never happened. E: Google seems to think so. Wonderful. Phobic Nest fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Eeyo posted:We'd probably still use it so maybe that's a bad plan. we also use oil for a giant amount of other things besides fuel so yeah that would be bad.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:19
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Trump is touting that he's making oil prices go up because it makes his oil industry friends happy. He doesn't care what the average person wants and never did.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:21
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JonathonSpectre posted:"No other President has been able to make the supply of oil go down while making the price go up as much as your favorite president (me!)" Having just talked to a US trump supporter for the first time in years (Ya lol @ Europeans not knowing many), its incredible how the perception is that trump is doing only good things, but media is biased, and all the bad things are the fault of the states which have the actual power. And the goalposts are constantly moving. "Trump is solving XYZ which is why he is good" -> "Ok, name one thing he actually did to solve XYZ" -> "Well he would have but the states have the actual power and they aren't doing it". You guys are so screwed 
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Ika posted:Having just talked to a US trump supporter for the first time in years (Ya lol @ Europeans not knowing many), its incredible how the perception is that trump is doing only good things, but media is biased, and all the bad things are the fault of the states which have the actual power. And the goalposts are constantly moving. "Trump is solving XYZ which is why he is good" -> "Ok, name one thing he actually did to solve XYZ" -> "Well he would have but the states have the actual power and they aren't doing it". There are people like this for literally every politician, everywhere.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:25
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Xombie posted:There are people like this for literally every politician, everywhere. Ignoring Trump's cult of personality isn't helpful. He's not a "typical politician". https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1249670319889092609 They really just don't think they need the left to win.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Recap of Sunday This guy right here is the poster child of the risk.
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That's a real martyr move. Drive from another state knowing you're going to get ticketed and fined and then act surprised and hurt about it.
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"I like sailors that don't die of infectious diseases, ok?"
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KillHour posted:Trump is touting that he's making oil prices go up because it makes his oil industry friends happy. He doesn't care what the average person wants and never did. Won't work anyway. If I'm an example of the average worker, I filled up right when I went in to isolation and still have 3/4 of a tank left. That's about a 16 times decrease in the amount of gas I use. I can't be the only person using WAY less gas. Cutting supply by 10 million barrels a day isn't going to do anything to save fracking. I don't think they need 90 dollar a barrel oil to be profitable anymore, but it's got to be way closer to 50 than 30. Not to mention, how exactly do you get US drillers to cut the rate? We don't have a national oil company or anything.
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KillHour posted:Trump is touting that he's making oil prices go up because it makes his oil industry friends happy. He doesn't care what the average person wants and never did. "Oil industry friends" conveniently applies to Vladimir Putin.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:33
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mcmagic posted:Ignoring Trump's cult of personality isn't helpful. He's not a "typical politician". Pretending it's a phenomenon exclusive to him isn't helpful either. As much as you may want to believe that these people wouldn't latch onto another politician the same way, they absolutely would. The unique thing about Trump isn't his fanbase or propaganda, it's his incompetence.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:35
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Xombie posted:Pretending it's a phenomenon exclusive to him isn't helpful either. As much as you may want to believe that these people wouldn't latch onto another politician the same way, they absolutely would. The unique thing about Trump isn't his fanbase or propaganda, it's his incompetence. There isn't another politician who has been able to get away with close to the things he's gotten away with. His cult of personality is very strong.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:38
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Arglebargle III posted:That's a real martyr move. Drive from another state knowing you're going to get ticketed and fined and then act surprised and hurt about it. A friend of mine works for the local news section of one of the channels in the state and said there was at least one person who drove from New Jersey to attend simply because they were told not to. Gotta get those persecution pointsTM
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Apr 13, 2020 15:40
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Xombie posted:Pretending it's a phenomenon exclusive to him isn't helpful either. As much as you may want to believe that these people wouldn't latch onto another politician the same way, they absolutely would. The unique thing about Trump isn't his fanbase or propaganda, it's his incompetence. President Nunez, Arpaio, Jordan, etc would have exactly the same level of support from the crazy rubes as Trump has. Apparently a lot of people just need a fascist strong man in their life and they'll latch on to whoever it may be.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:41
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Dumbass just saw the futures and stock market bleeding red even after that dumbass 10 mio cut yesterday, and is only move is doubling down.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:42
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mcmagic posted:There isn't another politician who has been able to get away with close to the things he's gotten away with. His cult of personality is very strong. Brazil, Philippines, and Russia would like a word with you.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:46
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Xombie posted:Brazil, Philippines, and Russia would like a word with you. Ehh. You're talking about very different political climates in those countries. I was speaking more in the context of american politics. I can't think of another american politician surviving the access hollywood tape.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:49
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Taerkar posted:A friend of mine works for the local news section of one of the channels in the state and said there was at least one person who drove from New Jersey to attend simply because they were told not to. Google says thats a 10 hour drive one way so good job i guess.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:50
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KillHour posted:Trump is touting that he's making oil prices go up because it makes his oil industry friends happy. He doesn't care what the average person wants and never did. A smart politician would bring up things like, "Yes, gas prices are low, but they're so low that they're hurting people like this totally [not] random sampling of blue collar oil workers who just happened to turn up here at the White House for this photo op. And that's why we have a target price for oil that we want to maintain." It's not impossible to sell intentionally raising gas prices as a good thing, especially when a 20% increase is still "really cheap" in people's minds. Trump's just very bad at this.
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So the options are crashing the oil production in the country or raising gas prices during mass unemployment? e: Please look at my dog. 
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Apr 13, 2020 15:55
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mcmagic posted:Ehh. You're talking about very different political climates in those countries. I was speaking more in the context of american politics. OK? I explicitly wasn't. quote:I can't think of another american politician surviving the access hollywood tape. Clinton had an affair with a staffer in the oval office. Reagan was obviously senile for the last years of his presdiency. Should we get into everything Nixon got away with before Watergate? The most unique thing about Trump is his total inability to cover it up, not for his supporters' ability to ignore it. And that's just personal poo poo. Politically, Bush got away with the entire Iraq war. People worked themselves up into the idea that waging war against Saddam Hussein was somehow "protecting our freedom" and "fighting Terrorism". Xombie fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Must be so easy being a politician these days, with absolutely zero need for propaganda - your base just manufactures it themselves then autoconvince themselves of it. No matter what you do.
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Apr 13, 2020 16:01
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Xombie posted:OK? I explicitly wasn't. I just think those are bad comparisons. Duterte and Putin are brilliant politicians. You can compare Bolsonaro to Trump in that they are both obvious incompetent morons but Bolsonaro was pretty much installed in a judicial coup. I also don't want to defend Clinton, he's a piece of poo poo, but a consensual affair and sexual assault aren't the same thing.
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mcmagic posted:Ehh. You're talking about very different political climates in those countries. I was speaking more in the context of american politics. I can't think of another american politician surviving the access hollywood tape. I remember the entire primary thinking “Trump’s base is 30% and as more people drop out that number won’t increase.” Then bad news started coming out, including the Access Hollywood tape, and I remember thinking “This is it. This is what will sink him.” To be honest, there hasn’t been another moment as bad as that. He has done far worse, but it has always had layers of complexity. The Access Hollywood tape was Trump, on camera and mic’d up, talking about sexually assaulting women. It’s real bad and they should honestly just wheel that out and play it again and again in 2020. I still have no idea how he survived it.
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Xombie posted:OK? I explicitly wasn't. And now they've got themselves believing that "gathering together in large groups in spite of the warnings of infectious disease experts and data saying all my friends are dying" is protecting our freedom and fighting terrorism. e: VV cool cool, just a little constitutional crisis to start off the week Data Graham fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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CmdrRiker posted:So the options are crashing the oil production in the country or raising gas prices during mass unemployment? Legitimately yes though that's reducing it to the most basic level. Energy policy is a delicate balancing act at the best of times and that's before you include the international diplomacy aspect of it. There's no good answers here and we haven't even factored in the environmental issues. I guess I should mention that I full expect both Saudi Arabia and Russia to make statements soon that say, "We don't know what the gently caress Trump is talking about," since announcing he's made a deal when he hasn't done jack poo poo is one of Trump's favorite moves. Trump doesn't have any leverage in this situation and can't even play with the levers that presidents usually have.
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Yeah he's going to try and re-open the country by next Monday.
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Arglebargle III posted:Anything that keeps oil in the ground is good news. If we ground up nuclear waste and injected it into virgin oil reserves that would be a good thing Exxon would sell it anyway
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Apr 13, 2020 16:11
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This is your daily reminders that Trump does not know how government works and will make imperial declarations from his throne that he doesn't actually have the ability to do.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Yeah he's going to try and re-open the country by next Monday. There is literally no amount of death that his fans will not be OK with if he tells them to.
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VH4Ever posted:John Oliver does a good deep dive on it. The key tl;dr fact is Graham Ledger, their big "Hannity" type host, signs off every show with "Even when I'm wrong, I'm right." Yes seriously. That and "This episode is on it's way to the library of Congress" which when Oliver checked the LoC had no record of any of his shows despite having a full record of Last Week Tonight and some pornos
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This post is on its way to the Library of Congress.
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The Angry Bum posted:Yeah this is going directly to the Supreme Court, and Beshear is going to lose big time over this. He just lost re-election. Nah pretty much everyone here thinks those churches are assholes and the ones that don’t are 100% Bevin voters. It also isn’t likely going to the Supreme Court because A) it will have long since been mooted by that point and B) he didn’t forbid a religious gathering he just ordered a quarantine of any one that went, which is an important distinction.
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Slowpoke! posted:I still have no idea how he survived it. A whole lot of this country hates women. That's how.
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Sundae posted:My original response to this was [para] "Jesus Christ, if streaming Easter Mass is good enough for the Pope it's good enough for some goddamned idiot pastor in Kentucky," but in retrospect, the Pope doing it is probably justification to the pastor to exclude the idea. Well, here's the problem. Sane people understand this stuff. These people are not sane and this only reinforces their persecution complex that they are being treated "just like the Jews in Hitler's Germany" that they will shout till they die. Any time you mention actual persecution they'll blurt out "Yeah, well remember back in 2020 when we were forced to be locked up for 14 days?!" For note, I completely agree with the choice the state ran with and I hope the notice will be enforced instead of some weak rear end threat
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SocketWrench posted:That and "This episode is on it's way to the library of Congress" which when Oliver checked the LoC had no record of any of his shows despite having a full record of Last Week Tonight and some pornos And Jersey Shore! 
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Don't post loving hoarse wisperer here. If you're not blocked by hoarse wisperer you are doing something wrong In fact don't post twitter at all. Posting any tweet just helps trump.
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