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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:In the original, Cloud flunked out of the initial screening for SOLDIER 7 years before the game and enlisted as a regular public security goon instead because he was too ashamed of his failure to go back home. 2 years later, he’s assigned as part of the goon squad on a mission to the reactor near his hometown, which is led by Sephiroth and a SOLDIER first-class named Zack Fair, andCloud keeps his mask on the whole time so his friends don’t recognize him. Unbeknownst to everyone involved, the resctor was also Hojo’s first lab and was where JENOVA was contained. A lot of poo poo happens, Sephiroth goes crazy, Burns down the town (killing Cloud and Tifa’s families in the process) Zack gets his rear end kicks fighting Sephiroth, Tifa and cloud get brutally injured, but Cloud uses the last of his strength to sucker-stab sephiroth and throw him into the mako under the reactor. This is also why in the Remake Cloud gets headaches when his old squadmates remember him in the Shinra tower: they're not part of his fake history as a SOLDIER so remembering how exactly he knows them causes him painful cognitive dissonance. Even early on you can see that Cloud gets headaches whenever anyone asks him about his past.
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Clarste posted:This is also why in the Remake Cloud gets headaches when his old squadmates remember him in the Shinra tower: they're not part of his fake history as a SOLDIER so remembering how exactly he knows them causes him painful cognitive dissonance. Also why one of the Grunts in Chapter 2 during the escape is like "Wait... are you-" And it's clear the grunt is recognizing Cloud.
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Clarste posted:This is also why in the Remake Cloud gets headaches when his old squadmates remember him in the Shinra tower: they're not part of his fake history as a SOLDIER so remembering how exactly he knows them causes him painful cognitive dissonance.
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Rageaholic posted:I just assumed he had a bad case of PTSD after fighting in the war Basically, the plot stuff immediately after the end of the game would have Cloud say that, when he got into SOLDIER, the war was already over. By the way, this is why Roche is also so fuckin' crazy, because SOLDIER's are basically super humans who were revered as heroes who fought in this big war... and now the war is over and these super heroes with crazy power And a shortened lifespan they willingly traded off for with power are stuck doing traffic detail. Soldier's are basically big ol' Mako junkie superheroes.
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Rageaholic posted:Oh wow Asema posted:do what I'm about to do: buy the original on steam and beat it Also use mods if you are interested enough http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php
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Rageaholic posted:But could someone give me a spoiler summary of what happens in the rest of the original after leaving Midgar? From what I've heard, you leave Midgar in the original after only a handful of hours and it's a 3-disc game so I'm assuming there's a lot more story to go. If you really want the cliff notes of the entire rest of the game, here it is. This is off the top of my head so it might be a little bit spotty: First thing you do after Midgar is the first version of the Nibelheim Flashback. Cloud explains his history with Sephiroth to the rest of the party. The summary of that is: Cloud was a SOLDIER First Class who worked with Sephiroth on a few occasions. They were assigned on a mission to Nibelheim, Cloud and Tifa's hometown. During this mission, Sephiroth uncovers research material which indicates that he was the product of a Shinra experiment called the Jenova Project, which took some of the semi-living remains of a parasitic alien lifeform called Jenova and fused them into Sephiroth's body while he was a fetus. Sephiroth has a mental breakdown after learning this, probably at least partially due to the fact that Jenova also displays the ability to manipulate people who have been infected with its cells. He sets fire to the town and heads off to the reactor where Jenova's remains are stored. Tifa goes to confront him and he stabs her, then Cloud attempts to fight him but can't remember what happened after that. The party then sets off after Sephiroth, because they accept Cloud's explanation that Sephiroth is dangerously insane and is probably attempting to do something horrible. The party also finds the remains of a 200 foot tall snake that Sephiroth killed by stabbing it to death with an entire tree, which is pretty metal. After that, they follow the trail of Sephiroth to Junon, a Shinra military city. There's a weird minigame where you perform CPR on a girl and save her life so that she'll teach you how to ride a dolphin because dolphins are immune to electricity, then more extended minigames where Cloud disguises himself like a Shinra regular and ruins Rufus' inauguration parade so thoroughly that he gets sent a bomb in the mail. The entire party then disguise themselves as regulars and sneak onto a Shinra cargo ship to cross the ocean. Sephiroth attacks the ship and kills some of the crew, then leaves behind a big gross Jenova thing that the party kills. The ship then docks at a resort town, where the party runs into Hojo on vacation, still wearing his labcoat, surrounded by attractive women because of his weird kavorka man energy. Hojo mutters some insane poo poo about his theories about Jenova, then tells the party that Sephiroth is going to the Gold Saucer. On the way to the Gold Saucer, they pass through North Corel, Barret's hometown. Everyone in Corel hates Barret because he was the one who told them they should let Shinra build a reactor there, and then Shinra proceeded to do all kinds of hosed up poo poo and then burn the entire town down, and we see a flashback that shows that Scarlet personally shot Barret's hand off, which is kind of weird considering that I don't think he ever actually displays a grudge against her other than his overall grudge against Shinra. At the Gold Saucer, the party meets Cait Sith, a robot cat that joins the party for no reason. Then the party gets thrown in Desert Jail because someone with a gun for a hand shot a bunch of people in the Gold Saucer. This turns out to be Marlene's real dad, Dyne, who was Barret's friend from Corel and also got his hand shot off by Scarlet. Dyne is crazy now and kills himself. Then Cloud wins a chicken race and receives a full pardon and a car as the prize. The party then drives to Gongaga, I think. Gongaga is optional so I can't remember exactly where it is, but it's around here somewhere. In Gongaga they meet the parents of a guy named Zack, who was in SOLDIER. Cloud doesn't know him, despite the fact that they were both in SOLDIER. Aeristh admits that Zack was her ex-boyfriend but she hasn't seen him in years, and Tifa also definitely knows who he is but refuses to admit it or say anything about it. Then you drive onward to Cosmo Canyon. This Red's hometown, and is a hub for the study of the Planet. It's run by Bugenhagen, an old man who floats around on an orb or something. He teaches the party some stuff about the lifestream. Red turns out to not know how his dad died and thinks he was a big coward, so Bugenhagen takes him down to the Ghost Tunnels and shows Red that his dad actually died kicking rear end, and you fight some ghosts down there too. Then the party moves onto Nibelheim, which still exists despite the fact that it burnt to the ground. Turns out Shinra rebuilt it and filled it with actors to cover up all the atrocities they did there. It's also filled with weird dudes in black cloaks who mutter about the Reunion. Sephiroth is also there, and invites Cloud to the Reunion and then throws a materia at his head and flies away. You can also optionally find a guy that Hojo locked in the basement of a house 30 years ago and let him out to join the party if you feel like it. The party then moves onto Rocket Town, the site of Shinra's failed space program. They meet Cid, a pilot who swears in 90% of his dialogue boxes and also domestically abuses his common-law wife Shera because he blames her for the failure of the space program. The party has a very uncomfortable cup of tea with him, then they steal his plane. Cid also jumps onto the plane, which then gets shot down by Shinra, and he joins the party. I think this is where you hear from Shinra that Sephiroth is going to a place called the Temple of the Ancients, too. At this point if you have Yuffie, an optional party member who joins you literally in a random encounter, she will prompt you to go do an extended sidequest where you go to her hometown and she steals all your poo poo multiple times and then you save her from getting sexually assaulted by Don Corneo and then the Turks throw him off of a cliff, which will probably be mandatory in the remake. After that, you go to the Gold Saucer and borrow the Keystone to the Temple from the guy who owns it. Then Cloud goes on a date with someone, depending on who you've made Cloud hit on, and then Cait Sith steals the Keystone and gives it to Shinra because he is a spy. You try to kick him out of the party or kill him, but he reveals that he's actually just a robot and his operator has kidnapped Marlene, so you're forced to let him stick around. You head to the Temple and find that Tseng from the Turks has already gotten there, and also that Sephiroth has stabbed the hell out of him. Tseng gives you the Keystone and then just kind of hangs out in a corner. He never shows up for the entire rest of the game but apparently isn't canonically dead so I guess he just wanders off after this. In the Temple, the party discovers that Sephiroth's plan is to use something called the Black Materia to punch a big hole in the Planet, and then he's going to basically drink the entire lifestream. The party obtains the Black Materia, then Cloud has a full-blown psychotic breakdown, gives it to Sephiroth, punches Aeristh in the face, and then passes out for a week. When he wakes up, he discovers that Aeristh has, understandably, bailed and is heading to somewhere called the City of the Ancients. The party follows her there. Cloud finds her and has another psychotic breakdown and almost murders her. Then Sephiroth shows up and actually murders her. This is the end of Disc 1. The party continues chasing Sephiroth north to a giant crater. They do some snowboarding and find Aeristh's dad's home movie collection. In the crater they find loads and loads of the black cloaked men from Nibelheim, who all die trying to get to Sephiroth. They catch Sephiroth in the crater, but he reveals himself to actually just be a big Jenova blob. They kill it, and retrieve the Black Materia from it. Further in, they find Sephiroth's actual body, which is all kinds of hosed up and entombed in what appears to be a giant hunk of materia. Sephiroth tells Cloud that he's not even a real person and is basically just a lump of Jenova goo that has been feeding off of Tifa's memories, and shows him the second version of the Nibelheim flashback, which is identical to the first except that Cloud is replaced by another dude with black hair. Cloud looks to Tifa to confirm that he was actually there and she basically just goes "Oh god, no, don't ask me that" because as it turns out, she actually does not remember him being there. Cloud then has a complete mental breakdown and gives the Black Materia to Sephiroth again, then falls into the Lifestream. Things then proceed to go Real Bad, as Sephiroth activates the Black Materia, which causes an enormous Meteor to form in the sky and start heading toward the Planet. Also, the Planet's immune system activates in the form of 5 Godzilla monsters called WEAPONs, which burst out of the ground and start to rampage against everything that they see as a threat to the Planet. The party, minus Cloud, hitches a ride on a Shinra airship to escape the crater. Tifa, who is the main character now, wakes up in Junon, having been captured by Shinra. Shinra decides to execute her as a way to make people feel better about the giant Meteor, but a WEAPON attacks the city before they can carry it out. Tifa slaps the gently caress out of Scarlet and then is rescued by the rest of the party, who have now hijacked the aforementioned airship. Shinra also actually kills the WEAPON by shooting it in the face with a really big cannon. The party then finds Cloud in a town called Mideel, in a coma. Tifa decides to stay with him and leaves. Barret then forces Cid to become the new main character. The party then hears of Shinra's plan to stop the Meteor by building an enormous Materia bomb and attaching it to the rocket from Rocket Town. They decide to stop Shinra from doing this for no explained reason other than "we want that materia". In the process of stopping them, they hijack a train and save Barret's hometown from getting destroyed again, and also fight a war to save a giant bird that immediately dies anyway. They then go to see if Cloud's out of his coma yet. He isn't, but then one of the WEAPONs shows up and obliterates the town he's in, and him and Tifa both fall into the Lifestream. This leads to Nibelheim Flashback version 3, the one that actually happened. Turns out that Cloud is a real person, but he wasn't a SOLDIER. He was a Shinra rent-a-cop, one of the generic Public Security dudes, and he was one of the handful of guys who came along on the Nibelheim mission to do all the lame grunt work while the SOLDIERs were slaying monsters and being cool. Because he'd told everyone that he'd joined SOLDIER, he was too embarrassed to show his face in his hometown, so he kept his helmet on. The actual SOLDIER who came with Sephiroth, the black-haired guy from version 2, turns out to have been Zack, Aeristh's ex-boyfriend. In the real flashback, Zack confronts Sephiroth and gets his rear end kicked. Then Cloud basically sneaks up behind Sephiroth and stabs him in the rear end, then pushes him off a bridge into the reactor core. Sephiroth is still super mad about this, which is why version 2 of this flashback was just Sephiroth lying to Cloud in order to gently caress with his head. Unfortunately, after this Zack and Cloud get double-crossed by Shinra, who wants to cover up all the atrocities they did, and used as test subjects by Hojo's new Jenova project. This involved Cloud getting shot full of Jenova cells, which is why Sephiroth and Jenova have the ability to manipulate him, and also why he went insane and forgot all of this. Zack busts them out of the lab after a few years and takes Cloud to Midgar, but then he gets shot up by Shinra and dies, and Cloud takes his sword. Having established all of this, the lifestream vomits Cloud and Tifa up, and Cloud wakes up and is no longer crazy. He is now back to being the main character. The party continues trying to stop Shinra's anti-Meteor plan for some reason, and this involves stealing a submarine and having a submarine fight minigame that lasts for either 30 seconds or 30 minutes depending on whether you immediately mash square after it starts or not, and then going to Space. The plan does not work, and Meteor is still heading for the Planet. The party also discovers that Aeristh manages to activate something called Holy to protect the Planet from Meteor before she died, but that it won't work unless Sephiroth is killed before Meteor hits. Shinra's next plan is to move the bigass cannon to Midgar and drain all 8 reactors to fire one giant shot directly at Sephiroth, in the hope that it will take down his barrier and let them kill him so that they can get rid of the Meteor. This actually works: the shot blows up Sephiroth's barrier and kills another WEAPON on the way there, too. The WEAPON manages to blow up the top of the Shinra Tower before it dies, though, and kills Rufus(until he gets retconned into escaping in Advent Children). Hojo then hijacks the cannon in order to fire another shot at Sephiroth, because he thinks that Sephiroth will be able to absorb its energy and accelerate Meteor. The party parachutes into Midgar to stop him, and they kill Heidegger and Scarlet and optionally the Turks on the way there. Confronting Hojo, they discover that Hojo is actually Sephiroth's dad, and also is responsible for literally every bad thing that has ever happened to anyone, and that he has no motivation beyond wanting to see what would happen. They then kill him. This is the end of Disc 2. With the barrier gone and Shinra basically decapitated, the party then heads to the crater to kill Sephiroth. They delve into the crater, kill the last errant Jenova hunk, then reach Sephiroth at the bottom. They kill him, then they kill him again, then Cloud personally kills him one more time. With Sephiroth dead, Holy activates and destroys Meteor as it hits the Planet, but also destroys Midgar and possibly all of humanity. Then we flash forward 500 years and see Red looking at a destroyed Midgar, and it's left kind of ambiguous whether humanity is gone or if they're just being more environmentally conscious now.
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cock hero flux posted:With the barrier gone and Shinra basically decapitated, the party then heads to the crater to kill Sephiroth. They delve into the crater, kill the last errant Jenova hunk, then reach Sephiroth at the bottom. They kill him, then they kill him again, then Cloud personally kills him one more time. With Sephiroth dead, Holy activates and destroys Meteor as it hits the Planet, but also destroys Midgar and possibly all of humanity. Then we flash forward 500 years and see Red looking at a destroyed Midgar, and it's left kind of ambiguous whether humanity is gone or if they're just being more environmentally conscious now. This part at the very end leaves a couple things out. First: Holy fails to destroy Meteor. However, the Lifestream comes out of the Planet, guided by Aerith's will, and helps Holy destroy Meteor, saving the Planet. Second: While the original seemed to leave it ambiguous if anyone survived, multiple sequels to the original game confirmed that humanity wasn't wiped out in the ending. Whether they're still around 500 years later is up in the air, but humanity is saved as of the end of FFVII itself.
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Rageaholic posted:Thank you! What about Cloud's origins? Is that explained in the original? I know Hojo said he's not a SOLDIER but isn't able to elaborate because of the Whispers. Sephiroth is in fact, a war hero. He was one of the earlier SOLDIERs and one of the most successful at that. Things came crashing down when he had an assignment at a reactor in Nibelheim, Cloud and Tifa's hometown. In investigating why a bunch of monsters have appeared and made it dangerous to go to the reactor, Sephiroth discovers that it's (at that time) one of the main facilities for Shinra's head of research (and honorary Captain Planet Villian) Hojo and he's a loving loon that's basically injecting magical plutonium into peasants just to see what it'd do. While he's there he discovers Jenova in Hojo's captivity and after researching it, discovers that he's her child (may be apocryphal or metaphorical, I'm working off memory here) and it sends him off the deep end. He kills everyone in Nibelheim and goes to liberate Jenova, gravely wounding Tifa and Zack (that guy with the black hair at the end of Remake, who's also Aerith's boyfriend, mind). He's only stopped by... Cloud. Cloud fails out of SOLDIER school and never makes the grade. At the time of the above incident, he's just a lowly Shinra trooper. Any time the Nibelheim incident comes up in the original, there's a lot of disconnect between Cloud's recollection of events and Tifa's. Tifa chalks it up to her not remembering the event well due to her traumatic injuries, but she's also getting unconsciously gaslit by Cloud at this point too. The reality was he was there as a trooper, but he hid his face to hide his shame/embarrassment about not getting the thing he defined his life around. During the Nibelheim incident, Sephiroth strikes down Tifa and Zack, and in his moment of triumph as he is freeing Jenova, Cloud runs in At some point, Zack escapes from captivity and rescues Cloud as well, this becomes the Crisis Core games, which (normally) ends a week before the start of FF7 with Zack getting ganked by the Shinra army at the gates of Midgar. After Zack falls, Cloud in a disassociative state takes up Zack's sword and assumes Zack's identity as his own, writing himself in as the hero of Nibelheim that he clearly wasn't. By the time this happens, it's a week before the start of the game proper and he basically blindly runs into Tifa right as they were planning the first Mako reactor bombing. While we're on the topic, Jenova is basically Final Fantasy Cthulu. It's an unknowable horror from beyond the stars that wants to summon Meteor so it can crack the planet open and feast on it's tender mako/materia insides. It was defeated by the Ancients in a nearly cataclysmic war that almost killed all life on the planet. Obviously, Hojo thinks experimenting with this stuff is a FANTASTIC idea and you fight him as (I think) the final boss of disk 2 all hopped up on Jenova Juice. He's great in his absurdity, you should look up The Dark Id's description of him for the Dirge of Cerebrus LP. Edit: i spel gud DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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And then Advent Children happens where Tifa and Cloud are very obviously in a common law marriage that's falling apart while raising two kids and also weird losers want to bring JENOVA back and also Rufus lived and also Bahamut shows up for some reason and also Sephiroth comes back and is voiced by Superman instead of Lance Bass.
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DeathSandwich posted:Sephiroth is in fact, a war hero. He was one of the earlier SOLDIERs and one of the most successful at that. Things came crashing down when he had an assignment at a reactor in Nibelheim, Cloud and Tifa's hometown. In investigating why a bunch of monsters have appeared and made it dangerous to go to the reactor, Sephiroth discovers that it's (at that time) one of the main facilities for Shinra's head of research (and honorary Captain Planet Villian) Hojo and he's a loving loon that's basically injecting magical plutonium into peasants just to see what it'd do. While he's there he discovers Jenova in Hojo's captivity and after researching it, discovers that he's her child (may be apocryphal or metaphorical, I'm working off memory here) and it sends him off the deep end. He kills everyone in Nibelheim and goes to liberate Jenova, gravely rounding Tifa and Zack (that guy with the black hair at the end of Remake, who's also Aerith's boyfriend, mind). He's only stopped by... To give some context to the Sephiroth stuff He was told his Mother was Jenova, that he was special and not like the others, and basically raised by Shinra never knowing actual parents (And given his dad is Hojo that probably is for the best) He actually seems to be kinda a decent person, if a bit distant. But when he discovers Jenova, and that Monsters are being grown in the reactor, and that combined with "Oh you're not like the others Sephiroth" caused him to start having an existential breakdown which drove him into Hojo's lab and pouring over research notes, which only further made him snap. Also, for a simpler explanation of Jenova, It's The Thing. It assimilates life and then replicates it using its memories to get close to more victims to assimilate them. It's so foreign to the Lifestream that those it claims cannot rejoin it.
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drat, reading that story stuff definitely makes me think we'll get at least one more 30-40 hour game out of this, if not 2. There seems to be a lot going on here.
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Onmi posted:To give some context to the Sephiroth stuff He was told his Mother was Jenova, that he was special and not like the others, and basically raised by Shinra never knowing actual parents (And given his dad is Hojo that probably is for the best) He actually seems to be kinda a decent person, if a bit distant. But when he discovers Jenova, and that Monsters are being grown in the reactor, and that combined with "Oh you're not like the others Sephiroth" caused him to start having an existential breakdown which drove him into Hojo's lab and pouring over research notes, which only further made him snap. I think it's unclear whether Sephiroth knew Hojo was his father. When talking about his parents in the flashbacks, first he mentions Jenova but then he says "as for my father..." and starts chuckling to himself like it's the funniest thing ever. And I have to imagine he'd see being Hojo's son as a cruel joke at least. Also this isn't like super important, but Sephiroth's actual human mother was another Shinra scientist named Lucretia who's now immortal or something because she was injected with Jenova cells in her womb. Vincent (another playable character) was a Turk who was assigned to guard Hojo and Lucretia when all this was going down 30 years ago.
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Rageaholic posted:drat, reading that story stuff definitely makes me think we'll get at least one more 30-40 hour game out of this, if not 2. There seems to be a lot going on here. The original game was about 50-60 hours long (if you didn't spend 100 hours on chicken eugenics), of which about 4-5 were Midgar. So, I'd say we're due at least 2 more if they decide keep to the original framework, and even more if they expand on things like they did Midgar.
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I've spent a lot of time in the last decade going "ff7 wasn't really that good" and boy was kid me a loving idiot because there's a lot here that I should give it credit for. Terrorism, PTSD, War is bad being shot over cloud's head as he looks as a buster sword going "cool" is me right now
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Rageaholic posted:drat, reading that story stuff definitely makes me think we'll get at least one more 30-40 hour game out of this, if not 2. There seems to be a lot going on here. There is, FF7 is loving huge. To the point I think most people genuinely don't remember how much content there is. Because even in the limited PS1 era, where the town of say... North Corel is all one screen, it's like... that doesn't translate to a full remake, even if you don't 'expand content' that has to be larger than 1 screen.
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Huge omission from all these explanations: Cloud and Tifa gently caress outside before the final battle and everyone watches on The Highwind.
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Onmi posted:There is, FF7 is loving huge. To the point I think most people genuinely don't remember how much content there is. Because even in the limited PS1 era, where the town of say... North Corel is all one screen, it's like... that doesn't translate to a full remake, even if you don't 'expand content' that has to be larger than 1 screen. Keep in mind that a large chunk of disk one is pretty hollow between leaving Midgar and the Temple of the Ancients. 3/4ths of all the places you visit can be summed up as "drat, we just missed him!". You're basically just stopping by most of the minor cities and moving on. Even places that have pretty huge implications Huh, sure seem to be a lot of people in Neibelheim for a city that was slaughtered to a person 5 years ago. Oh well! And here's a guy dressed as dracula with a gun sleeping in a coffin. Why? Who cares! Moving on! No single area is really allowed to breathe as much as Midgar did for time issues. I kind of figure the gang is going to spend a lot more time in the above. The way they blow it off in the original was kind of shocking. If I had to guess, with things going off the tracks as it is, I think that things are going to come to a head with Cloud's dodgy backstory a lot quicker in the remakes than in the original game. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Also Yuffie is from Wutai which they make sound super important in the Remake but it's totally optional to visit it in the original.
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Clarste posted:Also Yuffie is from Wutai which they make sound super important in the Remake but it's totally optional to visit it in the original. it's importantish in the backstory because it was the other side of The War that everyone important was involved in but it lost so as of the present day it's totally irrelevant and the game never actually forces you to go there They seem to be using it differently this time though, because in the original it's explicitly Shinra occupied territory with very limited self-governance but in the Remake Shinra seem to be propping it up as The Great Enemy so maybe in this version it's a little more active(or Shinra still controls it but are using it as a puppet enemy for propaganda purposes). cock hero flux fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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The Dave posted:Huge omission from all these explanations: Cloud and Tifa gently caress outside before the final battle and everyone watches on The Highwind. The funniest part is that includes Red XIII who I imagine kept asking awkward questions about human biology.
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cock hero flux posted:it's importantish in the backstory because it was the other side of The War that everyone important was involved in but it lost so as of the present day it's totally irrelevant and the game never actually forces you to go there Basically Yuffie's arc in the original is that Japan lost WW2 and is reinventing itself as a kitschy tourist trap for "the Exotic East" and what that means for their pride as a nation.
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Clarste posted:Also Yuffie is from Wutai which they make sound super important in the Remake but it's totally optional to visit it in the original. I'm going to run on the assumption that Yuffie and Vincent are going to be not-optional this go around. I think it's going to be easier for them to storyboard things if they know that the two are joining and when they are so they can work out their importance to the plot. Just lol though if the Vincent gets shot with the plot awareness ray from the end of the remake and discovers that his fate is to be in Dirge of Cerebrus. Truly a fate worse than death
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NikkolasKing posted:Zack is a nobody who was never loved by Aeith, got owned off-screen by Sephiroth in five seconds and then died to two Shinra mooks. This isn't even true if you only play the original FF7.
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Also Zack has a best friend, Kunsel, who goes looking for him after he goes missing for 4 years. Kunsel never finds Zack.
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Gologle posted:Also Zack has a best friend, Kunsel, who goes looking for him after he goes missing for 4 years. Kunsel also gets namedropped in the remake by the trooper in Shinra HQ who recognized cloud!
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Kunsel also gets namedropped in the remake by the trooper in Shinra HQ who recognized cloud! Yeah I felt so bad for him. You know that soldier was like "Hey, remember the guy who went with Zack? HE'S HERE." and then everything exploded.
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DeathSandwich posted:Well, the remake ends with you killing the gestalt personification of story canon itself, which was uhhh.... not in the original. Everything whisper related is not in the original game. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess with Aerith being more aware of what they're expected to do there's going to be a lot less random wandering and the story is going to get tightened up here quite bit.
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DeathSandwich posted:Just lol though if the Vincent gets shot with the plot awareness ray from the end of the remake and discovers that his fate is to be in Dirge of Cerebrus. Truly a fate worse than death Aerith gives Vincent a taste of his future; he immediately sticks his gun in his mouth.
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Funky Valentine posted:Aerith gives Vincent a taste of his future; he immediately sticks his gun in his mouth. God I hope they remove Cid's abusiveness towards Shera. What might've slid back in 97' ain't gon' play now. And I already said this but God I'm relieved Tseng is no long crushing on a child he used to watch over. Not to mention straight up slapping her so hard she hits the floor. These children are what we call "improvements"
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Apr 14, 2020 01:16
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And the Quick kill videos begin. First up, Mauy here is going to humiliate Shiva in 3 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bryRnMePurI
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Apr 14, 2020 01:17
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Kunsel also gets namedropped in the remake by the trooper in Shinra HQ who recognized cloud! I hope Kunsel managed to reach 1st Class in the 4 years it's been since (the bulk of) Crisis Core 
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Apr 14, 2020 01:56
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Gologle posted:Also Zack has a best friend, Kunsel, who goes looking for him after he goes missing for 4 years. Even Tseng tried looking. He even moblized all the Turks no one knows about to do it. Well, according to Last Order, anyway.
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Apr 14, 2020 02:03
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Speaking of weird side characters, I wonder if they'll do anything with Cissnei in the next parts of the remake. I don't think she is ever mentioned in anything after Crisis Core.
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Apr 14, 2020 02:03
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Big Scary Owl posted:Speaking of weird side characters, I wonder if they'll do anything with Cissnei in the next parts of the remake. I don't think she is ever mentioned in anything after Crisis Core. Canonically all the non-Rude/Reno/Tseng Turks are MIA (in hiding) after the events of their game. She's one of them. Cissnei actually first showed up in Before Crisis but she didn't get a name until CC.
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Apr 14, 2020 02:05
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It would be the ultimate con if they somehow make Dirge of Cerberus's secret ending play into the Remake somehow. Fuckin' Genesis just shows up and dropkicks Sephiroth out of the Final Boss slot.
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Apr 14, 2020 02:06
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Funky Valentine posted:It would be the ultimate con if they somehow make Dirge of Cerberus's secret ending play into the Remake somehow. Then whips out his stupid playbook and starts quoting from it and the entire cast dies of boredom. No thank you.
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Okay wait. Uh. I started up a hard mode run to get some manuscripts, did the first few, then jumped to ch14 because there's a shitton there. Now the Tifa cutscene outside Aerith's home is a you talking to an astral projection of Aertith? Are they going so hard in that they have alternate cutscenes now. What the gently caress. Edit: Actually, thinking about it, maybe it's based on who you talk to first in the sewer, like a bit of a callback to the affection point system in the original game. And I guess it might just default to Aerith if you haven't done it. ACES CURE PLANES fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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McTimmy posted:Even Tseng tried looking. He even moblized all the Turks no one knows about to do it. Excuse you, I care A LOT about Cissnei (not the other ones though, you're right about that). Cissnei x Zack forever bitches, I'm hoping she shows up in part 2 in Gongaga or some poo poo!!!!!
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