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V. Illych L. posted:this was always going to happen and imo is the only reasonable thing to do so long as you're running in the democratic party primary. part of the premise of a contest like that is that you get behind the winner if you lose, and sanders never signalled any opposition to this in principle My point of contention is not that it was untelegraphed. It's that you don't get to put your political support behind a probable rapist who is directly response for every lethal and immiserating policy of the US empire and still get to be "too good for us".
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Mr. Lobe posted:My point of contention is not that it was untelegraphed. It's that you don't get to put your political support behind a probable rapist who is directly response for every lethal and immiserating policy of the US empire and still get to be "too good for us". i don't understand this mentality tbh. biden's done much worse than personally committing sexual assault, the guy's ruined thousands of lives and probably caused a number of suicides through his politics, as has almost every big-time machine democrat biden is if anything less personally objectionable than hillary - there's this focus on the viscerality of biden's actions that i legit have difficulty dealing with sanders has been an active politician in congress for a long, long while. he's had to learn to look in the eyes of and work with these people - everyone knew this going in
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everybody needs to process their poo poo, chapos included BUT, what I do think is rather peculiar to Americans is their adherence to electoralism and the avoidance of what John Reed called "the study of the barricade". Now, before anyone goes blablabla revolutionary larping etc, this is usually interpreted more broadly as the struggles to make things better, not simply the end tail of an uprising with guillotines and hangings. Why not use the infrastructure built by the Sanders campaign to organize unions and leagues? For association recruitment? So it is just like that, pack it in, it is over? Of course, poo poo is way more of a goddamn mess when there is an ongoing plague, but the social mobilization is happening and the revolutionary spirit is being stoked by this moment. To falter now and retreat into timidity is a bad idea, imho
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Bernie's infrastructure will out last him, its called OurRevolution.
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Dmitri-9 posted:Bernie's infrastructure will out last him, its called OurRevolution. to be brutally honest here, what have they done since 2016 besides endorse a few candidates?
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Why not use the infrastructure built by the Sanders campaign to organize unions and leagues? For association recruitment? So it is just like that, pack it in, it is over?
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V. Illych L. posted:i don't understand this mentality tbh. biden's done much worse than personally committing sexual assault, the guy's ruined thousands of lives and probably caused a number of suicides through his politics, as has almost every big-time machine democrat what do you think "directly response for every lethal and immiserating policy of the US empire" means if not the war, mass encarceration, and the rendering permanent of student debt? I am well aware that he has done much worse than rape he is responsible for hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq, and arguable much more in Syria
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Mr. Lobe posted:what do you think "directly response for every lethal and immiserating policy of the US empire" means if not the war, mass encarceration, and the rendering permanent of student debt? I am well aware that he has done much worse than rape but that isn't just on biden personally, it's on the entire democratic party establishment with which sanders has openly worked for years under the banner of harm mitigation sanders sticking to the rules of the contest is maybe the least surprising thing about the entire primary. the dude does not subscribe to a theory of politics where bad people are to be shunned
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surprised there’s not more indignation of Will walking back “Bernie would have won.” He’s right but it’s a bitter pill.
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nah there's a road to a majority for a sanders campaign if the democratic party doesn't outright revolt during the election it's not a given, but poorer rust belt whites are a winnable demographic for the american left and capable of delivering the presidency when added to the present democratic voter coalition
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Trabisnikof posted:He’s right but it’s a bitter pill. just listened to the episode, it is grief processing and good stuff to do so ("Body of an American" was a great pick as well)
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As always I wish there was more Felix. Just like Trump somehow winning in 2016, Felix seemed to intuit pretty early on in this election that a lot of voters liked Joe Biden on an emotional level and as a result he had a good chance of winning. Matt was depressed but seems to have a good grasp on what happened and how big of a challenge things are moving forward. Amber was still processing and as a result tried out a bunch of different lines of argument that contradicted themselves. Will's just repeating the same stuff he's said for months.
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amber's position about how most people are instinctively distrustful of the mainstream media was dumb as hell imo, glad matt pushed back
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:amber's position about how most people are instinctively distrustful of the mainstream media was dumb as hell imo, glad matt pushed back this used to be truer than it is lol trumo caused democratic-inclined voters to rally around corporate MSM in a huge way cos it's dumb as poo poo
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Do you remember when will said he didn’t want the show to be the millennial daily show, anyway hope our candidate of choice fairs better in 4 years
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i mostly miss reading series..es...... serieses....... reading series plural
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Probably wasn’t a great idea to convert the DSA into a democrat party canvassing apparatus
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honestly there is a great relief that comes with losing all hope, i recommend it.
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Honest Thief posted:that was a bit To be fair, a lot of the racist jokes she says on the podcast are pretty sus.
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Apr 14, 2020 20:21
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RIP Bernie, he never jokerfied
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Forceholy posted:To be fair, a lot of the racist jokes she says on the podcast are pretty sus. deadass
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Probably wasn’t a great idea to convert the DSA into a democrat party canvassing apparatus i think it made sense to use the DSA to work for the sanders campaign, and i think it makes sense for them to explicitly not endorse biden as they have done
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yeah the weird griping about the american left following sanders' concession seems odd to me. it is stronger than it has been at any time since eugene debbs' runs, possibly ever, and is well positioned to capitalise on the dog's dinner being made of everything by the bourgeois governments of the world
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:amber's position about how most people are instinctively distrustful of the mainstream media was dumb as hell imo, glad matt pushed back He also pushed back against Will's "For some reason... youngsters didn't show up for Bernie!" at the end as well.
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T-man posted:RIP Bernie, he never jokerfied We need a snappy young millenial in 2024 with the edge of vermin supreme
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Apr 14, 2020 21:22
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drat nick has a nuclear bad take
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Forceholy posted:To be fair, a lot of the racist jokes she says on the podcast are pretty sus. They're low key pretty gross y'all
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Wow seems pretty secure
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Do you remember when will said he didn’t want the show to be the millennial daily show, anyway hope our candidate of choice fairs better in 4 years people say this as if it wouldnt also be embarassing to listen to the doughy podcast idiots advocate for armed struggle
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lancemantis posted:drat nick has a nuclear bad take drat really? gently caress im shook. that's hella sus ya'll
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How does anyone, Will included, think Chapo was going to be anything more than the Daily Show but for leftists?
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MizPiz posted:How does anyone, Will included, think Chapo was going to be anything more than the Daily Show but for leftists? in the filmed election 2016 special matt says 'oh so were becoming the daily show for leftists now' directly into the camera
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im happy that felix has found his new calling: watching godawful nbc family dramas
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Cnidaria posted:im happy that felix has found his new calling: watching godawful nbc family dramas same, but disappointed we still haven't gotten any knausgard content
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MizPiz posted:How does anyone, Will included, think Chapo was going to be anything more than the Daily Show but for leftists? chapo generally does the same thing without any stupid pretense of trying to be ~independent both-sideism~, and more inclusive of the mocking the DC political elite westwing libs and goppers; lol david frum and matty ygglesia wrote a dumb thing; lol chris coons said seggregation is good; cnn is cutting off bernie. but also go out and canvass, phonebank, go primary pelosi, etc.
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Lmfao the chapo 180 electoral flip, amazing and with no shame
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:same, but disappointed we still haven't gotten any knausgard content there's an E1 episode where felix plays an amazing knausgard-like character and surprisingly I think it's way before he got obsessed with the books also jesus christ council of dads sounds like something that felix willed into existence
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Speaking of electoralism, hows Trillbillies handling this? I stopped listening right about the time Tarrence got busted for drugs because lmao that he went from talking about executing rich people to immediately cracking the moment a cop pulled him over for like a busted taillight
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felix and sis make for a good listen, hope they make fun of more stuff together
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