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Captain Splendid posted:I think the weak link for me so far has probably been OG Delores. Yeah, her taking the bullets for Caleb was a step in the right direction though. Shows that she does care and maybe has some feelings for him. Aaron Paul has been doing the heavy lifting for the duo though and they need to let ERW give OG Dolores some emotional beats pretty soon.
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This episode was someone in the editing department justifying the $10,000 they spent buying LUT’s for premiere.
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Apr 14, 2020 18:29
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As someone who really likes the music in Westworld, genre was a bummer because it resulted in just straight out using other films’ music
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Apr 14, 2020 18:56
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I like the idea that those two go around ONLY playing that one single death grips song just over and over and over
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Apr 14, 2020 19:01
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ghostwritingduck posted:As someone who really likes the music in Westworld, genre was a bummer because it resulted in just straight out using other films’ music Well the drug would probably use music from famous genres that people would recognize.
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Apr 14, 2020 20:27
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As someone who’s colorblind my day to day life is already film noire. wouldn’t really recommend it.
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Apr 14, 2020 20:34
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beanieson posted:As someone who’s colorblind my day to day life is already film noire. wouldn’t really recommend it. Do you mean you have no colour vision whatsoever?
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Apr 14, 2020 20:42
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Captain Splendid posted:Do you mean you have no colour vision whatsoever? No, I’m red/green colorblind but I play that film noire music through my beats and walk in slow motion all the time. It’s crippled my social life.
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Apr 14, 2020 20:47
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I mean, I'm a defender of most of season 2, in that I loved watching the hosts reap their revenge, the one Native American centric episode (I forget his name), and William become death incarnate, only to find out he's been playing someone else's game. I really don't get most people's criticism of season 2, I loving loved that ride. Though I just watched it all at once, so maybe it sucked one week at a time. And if you hate mystery box poo poo, I get why you would be annoyed by it. But I was totally on board. But this episode? This was kind of poo poo. The genre drug stuff was just a lazy excuse to shoot things with weird filters and music, that they largely abandoned by the 3rd or 4th stage. I was shocked when they released all the info to everyone, because nothing else was really happening this episode other than pointless shooting at each other. And Serac proved himself to be less threatening rather than more, which I don't think was the intention. Whatever, I'm still in, one poo poo episode doesn't make much of a difference. But this was a poo poo episode.
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Apr 14, 2020 21:08
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PowerBuilder3 posted:I wanted one person reading their future to go Whoo Hoo! And it shows "they become a billionare and hang out with superstars...". What? Colossus(: The Forbin Project) wasn't AI vs AI, it was two super AIs teaming up to take over the world. Forbin also wasn't anything like Serac; Colossus was designed purely to be a dispassionate controller of the American nuclear armory, a way to ensure that human fear wouldn't lead to an accidental nuclear war (and also to ensure that retaliation would occur in the event of someone else kicking off nuclear war). Colossus then decided on its own accord to use its control over nuclear weapons to dictate a new world order, totally contrary to Forbin's wishes. Serac's system (so far as we've seen, anyway) isn't really like Colossus either since it doesn't seem to be self-aware or even self-directing; if it were, I doubt it would have accepted the command to give away everyone's profiles. (although, it would be intensely amusing if it was self-aware, and decided that the best response to "give up all your power" would be to flood the world with bogus negative profiles) A Buttery Pastry posted:The people most likely to attempt suicide are definitely going to fall into the "I'm glad they're dead" category for Serac. He's basically running a worldwide eugenics program, and having them off themselves saves him the trouble of having to manage their lives so they don't procreate. Which interestingly goes against Ford's belief that humanity was done evolving, given that there's now a guiding hand accelerating it. Something along this line occurred to me while watching the episode; if I remember right, Ford says something about people being stuck in their own loops themselves. It's a little too on-the-nose and I doubt they'd go this way, but I could see it as almost-plausible that Ford had a big gambit in play with Westworld where he intended to use the hosts to try to bring down the system; the theme park, after all, being the one place where he was in charge ("we were like gods") and didn't have to submit to the wishes of Serac's system. I mean, remember the bit towards the end of Season 1 where Maeve is convinced she's making plans for herself, only for Bernard to see that no actually she's still following a pre-programmed loop? Who's to say that isn't what's still happening for Dolores as well?
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Apr 14, 2020 21:15
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thrawn527 posted:I really don't get most people's criticism of season 2, I loving loved that ride. Though I just watched it all at once, so maybe it sucked one week at a time. And if you hate mystery box poo poo, I get why you would be annoyed by it. But I was totally on board. Because all the mysteries had nonsensical resolutions or ended up being completely stupid. The 2 best episodes, Delos Sr and Aketcheta, were basically straightforward and paid off with a satisfying conclusion. Unfortunately the rest of the season 2 didn't have either of those going for it. Who flooded the valley? A ton of people saw who flooded it. Why were the security guards rushing to murder hosts who from their point of view were running off a cliff? Because. The massive amount of data in Abernathy's head? Turns out it's an encryption key. An encryption key that unlocks data that is only located within the park so why the gently caress would you want to smuggle the key out where it's worthless? How did Hale-Dolores smuggle things out of the park? The same way that was rejected in season 1 for getting Abernathy's head data out ie just putting her purse. Then there is stupid stuff like Stubbs randomly being a robot. Or the entire encounter between Dolores and MiB which should have been a great scene as they finally meet up again. But instead he decides to join her because the script said so. And then she doesn't even need his help as she just 360 no scopes the guards. Or all of SamuraiWorld being completely pointless. Yes we already know Maeve loves her daughter this is not a new revelation. Or the "Welcome to Westworld" scene which was actually so bad that it loops back around to being funny. There's probably more stuff I'm forgetting(or repressing) but season 2 was loving bad.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Because all the mysteries had nonsensical resolutions or ended up being completely stupid. The 2 best episodes, Delos Sr and Aketcheta, were basically straightforward and paid off with a satisfying conclusion. Unfortunately the rest of the season 2 didn't have either of those going for it. The PMC vs sexy robot grenade death scene was one of the dumbest bits for me. I'm enjoying the new season though, it's a lot of fun
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My favorite part of S2 was Ed Harris asked the director "why the gently caress am I riding with Dolores? "
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Apr 14, 2020 22:18
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Captain Splendid posted:I think the weak link for me so far has probably been OG Delores. Yeah it would have been cool if they'd done the season like Carmen Sandiego.
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stephenthinkpad posted:My favorite part of S2 was Ed Harris asked the director "why the gently caress am I riding with Dolores? " Was the director's reply "because Nolan's a hack"?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Serac's system (so far as we've seen, anyway) isn't really like Colossus either since it doesn't seem to be self-aware or even self-directing; if it were, I doubt it would have accepted the command to give away everyone's profiles. (although, it would be intensely amusing if it was self-aware, and decided that the best response to "give up all your power" would be to flood the world with bogus negative profiles) Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Something along this line occurred to me while watching the episode; if I remember right, Ford says something about people being stuck in their own loops themselves. It's a little too on-the-nose and I doubt they'd go this way, but I could see it as almost-plausible that Ford had a big gambit in play with Westworld where he intended to use the hosts to try to bring down the system; the theme park, after all, being the one place where he was in charge ("we were like gods") and didn't have to submit to the wishes of Serac's system.
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beanieson posted:No, I’m red/green colorblind but I play that film noire music through my beats and walk in slow motion all the time. It’s crippled my social life. That explains why you never get the dames!
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The people most likely to attempt suicide are definitely going to fall into the "I'm glad they're dead" category for Serac. He's basically running a worldwide eugenics program, and having them off themselves saves him the trouble of having to manage their lives so they don't procreate. One person’s file literally said they shouldn’t be allowed to procreate so they could be removed from the gene pool.
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Sammus posted:One person’s file literally said they shouldn’t be allowed to procreate so they could be removed from the gene pool.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Wasn't that also the case for Caleb? It's just a giant cockblocking machine, ruining relationships before they even have a chance of getting started. The most unrealistic thing is not seeing Insite stormed by a bunch of literal incels setting fire to Rohoboam.
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Apr 15, 2020 21:28
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Solkanar512 posted:The most unrealistic thing is not seeing Insite stormed by a bunch of literal incels setting fire to Rohoboam. WHAT DO YOU MEAN NONE OF THESE VAPID BITCHES WILL gently caress ME?
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Apr 15, 2020 21:31
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If Robohobo saw the rise of the machines coming, why didn't Serak shut down Ford and Westworld? That place is like a breeding ground for rogue AIs.
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Apr 15, 2020 21:55
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I really don't like this show never establish a simple and consistent rule to tell between human and robots. This is a clear sign that the show runner is not in the business of telling stories of characters, but rather in it to unwrapping a plot twist box.
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Apr 15, 2020 22:25
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stephenthinkpad posted:I really don't like this show never establish a simple and consistent rule to tell between human and robots. Wait why would this be a thing?
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Apr 15, 2020 22:46
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"So and so turns out to be a robot" is just a plot point. The larger theme is that it doesn't matter if someone's human or host because they both face the same problems, lack of agency being the main one.
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Apr 15, 2020 22:53
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Is it just me or is the sound mixing horrible in Westworld? The dialogue track is barely louder than the ambience, and drowned out by music tracks. I have to either struggle to hear people, or blow my eardrums out when there's gunfire.
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smoobles posted:Is it just me or is the sound mixing horrible in Westworld? The dialogue track is barely louder than the ambience, and drowned out by music tracks. I have to either struggle to hear people, or blow my eardrums out when there's gunfire. The sounds mix is good, this show is here for the cool cyberpunk jams.
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smoobles posted:Is it just me or is the sound mixing horrible in Westworld? The dialogue track is barely louder than the ambience, and drowned out by music tracks. I have to either struggle to hear people, or blow my eardrums out when there's gunfire. I could barely hear the dialogue when I was watching on my TV, even when I used bluetooth headphones with it. I never have issues with any other show. It's much better watching on my computer though, so who knows.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:"So and so turns out to be a robot" is just a plot point. The larger theme is that it doesn't matter if someone's human or host because they both face the same problems, lack of agency being the main one. I think that's the common complaint. If it doesn't matter who's a robot or a human, the show shouldn't be making a big deal out of dishing out that info, because now it's just a cheap "fooled you!" moment. Hopefully they won't play that card anymore.
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Solkanar512 posted:The most unrealistic thing is not seeing Insite stormed by a bunch of literal incels setting fire to Rohoboam. Incels are authoritarian as gently caress and subsequently deferential.
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stephenthinkpad posted:I really don't like this show never establish a simple and consistent rule to tell between human and robots. My opinion may change when I go back to re-watch (knowing who's who in advance) but this is something I think season 1 did really well. At the beginning it was almost trivially easy to distinguish host vs guest within a few seconds - right up until it wasn't. Human Tornada posted:I think that's the common complaint. If it doesn't matter who's a robot or a human, the show shouldn't be making a big deal out of dishing out that info, because now it's just a cheap "fooled you!" moment. Hopefully they won't play that card anymore.
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until I see a baby pushed right out of a vagina and the subsequently chronologically filmed through adolescence how can we know who is human?
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William's meltdown was meaningless because we already explored all that dumb poo poo in Season 1. We get it, robots and humans are indistinguishable. This season overall sucks rear end for expecting me to buy into its lore at an extremely fast pace. Season 1 in the park took its time to establish its themes and we had some awesome Anthony Hopkins monologues to draw us into the concepts. The outside world season is cramming the themes down our throats with bad dialogue telling us how to feel about Future Society. I hope everything we've seen so far in S3 is actually another theme park, that would be dope as hell. smoobles fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Bip Roberts posted:until I see a baby pushed right out of a vagina and the subsequently chronologically filmed through adolescence how can we know who is human? It should be pretty easy to tell even with current day technology, if we are in a hard scifi show. You can't have hosts that have super human strength and taking bullets like foam darts and still have exactly the same biological body as human. It should be able to make a cheap oxymeter like device and check in seconds. Or maybe just use your smartphone to check if your human eyes have blind spots. Maybe just punch a tiny hole in your body and see how fast your body heal. I can't expend on simple ways to do human/host test because the Nolans never bothered to explain the inner working of their robots. It's a casual rear end show. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Bip Roberts posted:until I see a baby pushed right out of a vagina and the subsequently chronologically filmed through adolescence how can we know who is human? Even that's unreliable, these days. One should also have uninterrupted video documentation of the child's conception and gestation, ideally from the CCTV of a hermetically sealed nanite-free dwelling.
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stephenthinkpad posted:It should be pretty easy to tell even with current day technology, if we are in a hard scifi show. You can't have hosts that have super human strength and taking bullets like foam darts and still have exactly the same biological body as human. It should be able to make a cheap oxymeter like device and check in seconds. Or maybe just use your smartphone to check if your human eyes have blind spots. Maybe just punch a tiny hole in your body and see how fast your body heal. These sound like good TV ideas.
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One thing I really miss from season 1 was the regular repitition of: "Haha, I am so much smarter than Ford and have masterfully outplayed him  "several seconds pass "OH GOD I HAVE BEEN MASTERFULLY OUTPLAYED BY FORD!  "
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I think Deloris’ trip in the ambulance showed us that it is possible to differentiate between people and androids. She had zero white blood cells and a couple other things that confused the gently caress out of the emts.
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Sammus posted:I think Deloris’ trip in the ambulance showed us that it is possible to differentiate between people and androids. She had zero white blood cells and a couple other things that confused the gently caress out of the emts.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They're made to be sexbots Oh, by the way dude "sexbots" is not the preferred nomenclature, uh, "fuckpuppet", if you could be respectful
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