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MizPiz posted:Attacking and delegitimizing the Democrats helps the left in addition to this, it's a two-sided thing, as Tucker is a Strasserite who is often as critical about capitalism as Greenwald or a lot of leftists are, only he wants National Socialism and not anything liberational. People who tune into him every night have more of an anti-capitalist groundwork laid than any Maddow lib does. The debate should be whether you believe he's giving Tucker legitimacy by going on (dubious imho) or if he's serving to counter-message by wedging a leftist take on the same these Tucker talks about every night. Also it's a huge platform to poo poo all over the Dems on which is, if nothing else, probably a lot of fun Tucker is huge regardless of Greenwald is on, and if you don't believe in the counter-messaging you also don't get to believe that Bernie could've brought Indys and Republicans on board.
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Doctor Jeep posted:it's bad because it bars leftist ideas and leftist ways of seeing the world from circulating in the public when he's on tucker's show, 90% of the time, he's either making GBS threads on the left or defending/downplaying trump (which, i figure shouldn't be surprising as that more than likely is the agreement for him to come on). his twitter feed is, admittedly, less terrible. i'm not in love with ezra by any means, but he's never lost sight of trying to convince people to move to the left, even if it's incrementally. are you seriously trying to argue that if one would watch greenwald on tucker's show, one would be MORE inclined to become a leftist?
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Mr Interweb posted:i'm curious. i realized that the people that sam harris has had a huge meltdown over (noam chomsky, ezra klein, glenn greenwald*) were on the left. has he ever demonstrated similar temper tantrums to anyone on the Right? cause i legit can't recall any. one of Harris's dumb new atheist books from 2004 starts off describing a fictional suicide bombing terror attack and states that without knowing anything about the bomber it is "trivially easy" to guess his religion he has always been an Islamaphobic right wing shithead yeah
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Brother Entropy posted:sad to see some people are still stuck in a 'actually it's bad for leftists to appear on incredibly popular platforms and make their case' brainspace HE'S NOT DOING THAT THOUGH! this is not remotely in the same universe as someone like say, bernie going on fox news (which i supported)
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Mr Interweb posted:when he's on tucker's show, 90% of the time, he's either making GBS threads on the left or defending/downplaying trump (which, i figure shouldn't be surprising as that more than likely is the agreement for him to come on). his twitter feed is, admittedly, less terrible. for the upteenth time, he's not making GBS threads on the left, the democrats aren't the left he's making GBS threads on liberals ezra can't convince people to move tot he left because EZRA ISN'T A LEFTIST, ezra doesn't want leftists in power, ezra is a center right turd there's a better chance of someone watching glenn on fox going left than some vox reading lib
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from what I’ve seen on the Tucker show and what I know of Ezra the answer for both seems to be zero
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stanning an alt-right fellow traveler to own the libsDoctor Jeep posted:for the upteenth time, he's not making GBS threads on the left, the democrats aren't the left gibberish
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Glenn has his issues but he surely isn’t right wing
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This is the smart monkey who jumped at the chance to snitch first.
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Doctor Jeep posted:for the upteenth time, he's not making GBS threads on the left, the democrats aren't the left Yep, accurate.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:stanning an alt-right fellow traveler to own the libs hey there, glad to see you take a break from trying to get cspam closed down in qcs and it's not gibberish, it's perfectly clear
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Don't know if this is why you're asking, but lately it's because he can't eat anything that isn't served to him through a straw.
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Kitfox88 posted:J.R. Denton, in the flesh!
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Epic High Five posted:Tucker is huge regardless of Greenwald is on, and if you don't believe in the counter-messaging you also don't get to believe that Bernie could've brought Indys and Republicans on board. but has greenwald actually counter-messaged on tucker? frankly, the fact that he's been allowed on tucker's show more than once makes me doubt it. as far as i can tell he's just there to bash the libs, and since tucker's audience equates leftists with super-libs, he's not doing the left any favors imo
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CharlestheHammer posted:Glenn has his issues but he surely isn’t right wing if Trump started holding tribunals for CIA employees and executing them and replacing them with Trump cronies Glenn would cheer it on does that make him good? bad? that, poster, is in your hands to decide
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Doctor Jeep posted:hey there, glad to see you take a break from trying to get cspam closed down in qcs perfectly clear gibberish Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:but has greenwald actually counter-messaged on tucker? frankly, the fact that he's been allowed on tucker's show more than once makes me doubt it. as far as i can tell he's just there to bash the libs, and since tucker's audience equates leftists with super-libs, he's not doing the left any favors imo bingo glennn is a pet for the FOX news set they can use to point at and say "even leftists agree with us"
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Glenn rules, sorry if that offend you
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ezra klein is a doo doo head glenn is an obnoxious contrarian but his actual politics are miles better than the centrist "wonk" dumbass
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brugroffil posted:glenn is an obnoxious contrarian but his actual politics are miles better than the centrist "wonk" dumbass if his actual politics were good he wouldn't acting as a performing animal for slime like tucker carlson
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:perfectly clear gibberish The thing you quoted says that all those people believed it already anyway, so the net effect of having Glenn Greenwald on is zero. Nobody who didn't already think that is going to be watching Tucker loving Carlson in the first place. If his being on there is "helping" him in any way the effect is miniscule
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Heath posted:The thing you quoted says that all those people believed it already anyway, so the net effect of having Glenn Greenwald on is zero. Nobody who didn't already think that is going to be watching Tucker loving Carlson in the first place. If his being on there is "helping" him in any way the effect is miniscule  "it's only some light treason"seriously C-SPAM bash the fash thread defending a collaborator of tucker carlson's just because he hates libs as much as you do is a weird flex and it's not ok Vincent Van Goatse has issued a correction as of 21:53 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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I will say Glenn does bring out the fash hidden in all centralists but to be fair that isn’t hard
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Algund Eenboom posted:
Treasonous Glenn slandering our beloved dems from his Brazilian safe space
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:
What the gently caress are you on
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Heath posted:What the gently caress are you on glenn greenwald is poo poo and y'all seem to not be able to comprehend that even when he's buddy-buddy with noted fash cheerleader Tucker loving Carlson
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:glenn greenwald is poo poo and y'all seem to not be able to comprehend that even when he's buddy-buddy with noted fash cheerleader Tucker loving Carlson
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Glenn’s gonna get killed by a lynch mob for bing gay and these freaks are gonna act like he did it to make them look bad Tucker Carlson, noted non homophobe
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Y'all, noted cheeto cheerleader Fucker Failson is platforming Glenn Greenwald. And unlike the adventures of Mario & Luigi, the "final stage" of this platform ain't gonna be havin' no Bowser
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Tucker Carlson, noted non homophobe Your so steamed about TV being mean to the democrat party that you slander one of the only journalists in Brazil reporting on or standing up to Bolsanaro. American TV and party loyalty outweighs anything else and everything has to do with American culture war point scoring.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Tucker Carlson, noted non homophobe Did you poo poo you pants this much when Bernie did a town hall for Fox News? Just curious cause uh....Tucker's point of view aren't exactly uncommon to the other anchors nor the audience of such. Glenn Greenwald does some dumb rear end poo poo, like defending Jesse "Supporting Trans kids is child abuse" signal on free speech grounds and poo poo like that but that has no bearing on his reporting or what good he's actually done for journalism. I'm sorry but there can in fact be nuance here.
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Here's David Neiwert on Greenwald's long association with the far-right, beginning with his work for the World Church of the Creator. It lays out both facts and judgment, and if anything I think Neiwert is too generous in his evaluation of Greenwald, who's spent much more time with a much higher profile working for and defending fascists than most of the people we talk about in this thread.
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Kitfox88 posted:J.R. Denton, in the flesh! his real middle is C, no poo poo
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