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Biden even copies the weird specifics of Trump. He didn't just help clear the way for a right-wing judge, but a right-wing judge who was also a credibly-accused sex creep. Trump not just ignoring the pandemic, but trying to weaponize the pandemic against states and governors he doesn't care for. That might be unprecedented in modern history, but I'll be damned Biden did't do that to Bernie too.
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I touched the poop. In my defense, my grandmother's husband of 30 years and basically my non-bio grandfather passed away yesterday morning after fighting COVID-19 for 12 days. My cousin's family (on the other side) all jumped on board an anti-Gretchen Whitmer facebook group arguing that the executive orders in Michigan enforcing social distancing are too much and unnecessary, his high school aged daughter posted this:  I wrote the reply shown, and included this image:  I'm thinking of sending the three of them invitations to his memorial service, once it is safe enough to have one.
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the_steve posted:A vote for Trump is one vote for Trump. 
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the_steve posted:I'm having the damndest case of deja vu. They're doing a good job of getting everyone to hate government.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:It's basically our fault whatever happens. If Trump wins it's because we voted against Biden or didn't vote for Biden. If Biden wins, we'll have four years of zero economy zero progress and zero programs with everything locked in the courts and houses, and then eight or twelve more years of Republicans afterwards, and that'll be our fault since we voted for Biden. Look buddy I don't know how else to tell you this but I'm going to have the inflict a lot of violence on you ok? But it's important to remember that really you brought this all on yourself and so this is your fault. This is the greatest democracy on earth, after all.
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Orange Devil posted:Look buddy I don't know how else to tell you this but I'm going to have the inflict a lot of violence on you ok? But it's important to remember that really you brought this all on yourself and so this is your fault. This is the greatest democracy on earth, after all.  is not democratic, but if you could just  me now. Then I will be unable to vote and it will be my fault.
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I'm the berniebro that cost Biden the 2020 election, I call dibs. Feel free to blame me.
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T-man posted:I'm the berniebro that cost Biden the 2020 election, I call dibs. Feel free to blame me. I'm jealous of your achievement.
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the_steve posted:A vote for Trump is one vote for Trump. Believing Tara Reade is also a vote for Trump.
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Ego-bot posted:Believing Tara Reade is also a vote for Trump. Actually, due to a glitch in the software, believing Tara actually counts as a vote for Alyssa Milano to be county treasurer. They don't know which county.
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Biden has no right to expect anyone's vote. He has to earn them. Now he can do that by chasing moderate republicans or he can give reasonable concessions to the left of his own party. When it comes down to it the person most responsible for Joe Biden losing is Joe Biden himself. 
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Ferrosol posted:When it comes down to it the person most responsible for Joe Biden losing is Joe Biden himself. Is it fair to hold a severely demented person responsible for their actions though?
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RagnarokAngel posted:Name one way Ending family separation policies?
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V-Men posted:Ending family separation policies? I wonder who was VP when we opened the camps. Do you think he likes horses, or does he like ice cream?
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We all loving know Biden is poo poo. But the primaries are over and you're faced with Biden or Trump. Given how American democracy works, those are your choices. You don't like them, I don't like them, but that's what we got. Either you help put the lesser of two evils in office, whoever you might think that is, or you think they're both equally bad and don't care which one is in office. So you tell me, is Biden or Trump the worse president, or are they both exactly equal? Because there is not another choice regardless of how much we all wish that there were. totalnewbie fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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they're both worse than the other in different ways, vote gloria e: i guess you could also vote for the green russiagater. greens getting 5% would do more good to the US system than anything else you can do electorally at the federal level right now Truga fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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Yea still can’t morally vote for a rapist whether he has a d or r next to his name. Biden’s also made it pretty clear he doesn’t want my vote repeatedly being anti-socialist, telling people questioning his environmental record to vote for someone else and saying he’d veto Medicare for all. *phone posting so for some reason it autocorrected rapist to Taoist which was surprising
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Ferrosol posted:Biden has no right to expect anyone's vote. He has to earn them. Now he can do that by chasing moderate republicans or he can give reasonable concessions to the left of his own party. When it comes down to it the person most responsible for Joe Biden losing is Joe Biden himself. I'm glad HST killed himself when he did. He wouldn't be able to handle today's political landscape. Same with Bill Hicks, I can't imagine how he'd take Bush 2 much less Trump
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Medullah posted:I'm glad HST killed himself when he did. He wouldn't be able to handle today's political landscape. Same with Bill Hicks, I can't imagine how he'd take Bush 2 much less Trump I think he died at the start of Ws second term. Honestly might have been a part of it
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Honestly, people shouldn't even engage when asked "name one way Biden is better than Trump!" It's very easy to name like a hundred things, and every one will be met with "just lol if you think Biden will [x]". But simply because of the sheer volume of better things he has a slight chance of actually doing, he'll end up doing at least a few of them. It still doesn't mean you have to vote for him if you don't want to.
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Medullah posted:Same with Bill Hicks, I can't imagine how he'd take Bush 2 much less Trump It'd break his brain so badly he'd end up on the radio screaming about chemicals turning the frogs gay, denying Sandy Hook happened, and selling "nutraceuticals"
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Well it was a hell of a shock when one of my cousins linked a Tucker Carlson video on Facebook and talked about how mad she was about what he was talking about. I guess larger stores in Michigan aren't letting people buy lots of seeds or something? But Tucker was ranting about that and my cousin lives in Michigan and is mad about it. She also posted a right wing meme about how "So let me get this straight abortion clinics are necessary services but IVF clinics aren't? Why is killing children more essential than creating them?" I'd never seen a single political post from her before this.
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Twelve by Pies posted:lots of seeds...IVF clinics How many kids does she want :O
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T-man posted:I'm the berniebro that cost Biden the 2020 election, I call dibs. Feel free to blame me. Oh, hey Kyle. https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1249842584652054530
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T-man posted:I wonder who was VP when we opened the camps. Do you think he likes horses, or does he like ice cream? Wow and it's funny how those were two separate things but might as well trot out the right-wing talking points about how camps started under Obama. edit: One was a policy of separating families and the other was coping with a massive influx of minors and needing to temp house them while they were processed over to HHS to settlement. And of course when the optics got bad the moment it hit the news, they changed the M.O. instead of doubling down on it and debating the meaning of the word 'cage'. V-Men fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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V-Men posted:Wow and it's funny how those were two separate things but might as well trot out the right-wing talking points about how camps started under Obama. That's not an exclusively right wing talking point lol
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V-Men posted:Wow and it's funny how those were two separate things but might as well trot out the right-wing talking points about how camps started under Obama. It's almost as if rolling over and kowtowing to wingnut demands w/r/t immigration in an attempt to curry favor was a spectacularly despicable and stupid policy attempt with predictable side effects that many were actively pointing out when the previous administration did so, only to be ignored or roundly mocked when weren't!
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LonsomeSon posted:It's almost as if rolling over and kowtowing to wingnut demands w/r/t immigration in an attempt to curry favor was a spectacularly despicable and stupid policy attempt with predictable side effects that many were actively pointing out when the previous administration did so, only to be ignored or roundly mocked when weren't! Most of them were unaccompanied minors they were trying to figure out what to do with, could you explain in your own words what you think was happening here?
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V-Men posted:Wow and it's funny how those were two separate things but might as well trot out the right-wing talking points about how camps started under Obama. well that's not true, Obama justified it with Trumpy arguments about how hopefully the inhumane kiddy cages would incentivize Latin American parents to make the rational decision to keep their kids home to be murdered by gangs rather than send them to America to be a political problem for him.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Well it was a hell of a shock when one of my cousins linked a Tucker Carlson video on Facebook and talked about how mad she was about what he was talking about. I guess larger stores in Michigan aren't letting people buy lots of seeds or something? But Tucker was ranting about that and my cousin lives in Michigan and is mad about it. She also posted a right wing meme about how "So let me get this straight abortion clinics are necessary services but IVF clinics aren't? Why is killing children more essential than creating them?" The fun part is if you believe life begins at conception, I bet IVF ends more "lives" (or puts them in permanent suspended animation) than abortion does. Haven't done the math but several embryos are created for every IVF attempt, and it usually takes multiple attempts.
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DarkHorse posted:The fun part is if you believe life begins at conception, I bet IVF ends more "lives" (or puts them in permanent suspended animation) than abortion does. The Alabama law specifically exempted IVF-created embryos from personhood When this was brought up the guy who wrote it said he those embryos don't matter because they aren't in a woman. It was never about saving pre-born "lives"
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VitalSigns posted:well that's not true, Obama justified it with Trumpy arguments about how hopefully the inhumane kiddy cages would incentivize Latin American parents to make the rational decision to keep their kids home to be murdered by gangs rather than send them to America to be a political problem for him. True, Obama tried to say it was a deterring effect to detain and then deport families, but he still didn't separate them to do so.
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socialsecurity posted:Most of them were unaccompanied minors they were trying to figure out what to do with, could you explain in your own words what you think was happening here? The point is that it doesn't matter what the specific circumstances are around the unaccompanied minor portion of the policy was, when the full body of immigration policy included ramping up persecution and deportation of already-present populations in an effort to provide some kind of 'concession' as a counterbalance to the Dream Act, a legislative effort which was obviously dead on arrival given the behavior of Congress to that point. It's at best an example of Democrats being better than Republicans by not making bigotry the inspiration and main selling point of policy, given the context of other events around it. A better solution would have been to curb exploitation in South America, something no Democrat will ever address let alone make serious efforts at. This problem is very close to the core problem with the Democratic Party; 'not as bad as' is in no ways the same as 'not bad,' regardless of how much High School Debate Team logic you throw down.
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V-Men posted:True, Obama tried to say it was a deterring effect to detain and then deport families, but he still didn't separate them to do so. Why do libs go from "golly gee we're all on the same side" to "no actually forced internment is needed to purge the unwanted scum, but in a nice way" so predictably, so quickly? Why the gently caress do people need to be deported? You honestly sound like a tankie trying to justify and whitewash Soviet work camps. In what world can you try to talk sematics about what is a direct and obvious precursor to America's latest (but not first) camps? If A causes B, don't use A's VP to try and stop B.
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The thing wrong with the dems is that capitalism is the core cause of all major issues today. We all know on some level it can and must be abolished. But liberals are unable and unwilling to see both that capitalism is the problem and refuse to accept that the imperial state is merely an outgrowth of the system. No need to talk not as bad at all; the dems aren't better, and without a literal coup they are and will remain controlled opposition to limit the Overton window.
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poo poo, the Crazy Political Emails are coming from within the thread! 
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V-Men posted:True, Obama tried to say it was a deterring effect to detain and then deport families, but he still didn't separate them to do so. 
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V-Men posted:True, Obama tried to say it was a deterring effect to detain and then deport families, but he still didn't separate them to do so. You should really examine why you think this is a good defense of the Obama administration. Separation, while obviously bad, is not even close to the only bad thing about the camps.
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Liberals don't object to Trump's policies, merely his crass demeanor. That's why opposition to Trump caging kids and shipping them back to be murdered doesn't take the form of actually opposing the part where he cages kids and ships them back to be murdered. Instead they get to work splitting hairs until they find some cosmetic difference in the process whereby kids are caged and shipped off to be murdered, then they take their grand moral stand on this process objection.
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"Name one way Biden is better than Trump." "He would end family separation." "Obama built the cages!" "But I'm talking about ending family separation." "But Obama started family separation!" "No, he started the camps, but he didn't start family separation." "How can you defend starting the camps???" I mean, is anybody actually under the impression that Biden will discontinue every bad policy? He's Joe Biden; he sucks; people are taking what they can get. You can believe that Biden would end family separation, and that that's a good thing, without believing that he would do the additional good thing of "not keeping immigrants in camps". This conversation started with the challenge from RagnarokAngel to "Name one way" that Biden is better than Trump. So V-men named a way. He never said "immigrant camps are good". He never said he liked how Obama handled immigration. He never said Biden or Obama was good. He named one way that Biden is potentially better than Trump. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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